A 4x4 good enough to grace our roads

[la gran siete]

its no secret that I have absolute contemot for these vehicles but there is one that I think may pass the LGS savaging test- the Toyota RAV4 D-4D DEISEL which is stylish, of a reasonable size and does about 40mpg. Saw a purple one yesterday with a tweetypie sparewheel cover and I thought looks good and not at all offensive unlike the ghastly Range Rover or Mitsubishi Warrior. So well done Toyota

 

[Gadget Daddy]

RAV4s are pap, Range Rover Sport or a Land Rover Disco anyday

 

[udsf]

sounds like the sort of vehicle for the 'nice boys'


as for 40mpg - can be achieved by a lot of vehicles when converted to enviro friendly gas!!

 

[udsf]

RAV 4 hardly deserves the name 4x4

as i said - one for the 'nice boys' and hairdressers!!


not even Essex girl would be seen dead in one

LGS - do you even drive?

 

[TopMeTom]

Aren't rav's for girls?

Never seen a guy drive one...especially purplehaha

 

[Mylo]

RAV 4

unsuccessful hairdressers car, not an offroad vehicle.

 

[zelnik]

its no secret that I have absolute contemot for these vehicles but there is one that I think may pass the LGS savaging test- the Toyota RAV4 D-4D DEISEL which is stylish, of a reasonable size and does about 40mpg. Saw a purple one yesterday with a tweetypie sparewheel cover and I thought looks good and not at all offensive unlike the ghastly Range Rover or Mitsubishi Warrior. So well done Toyota

April the 1st is long gone mate..

 

[2010]

RAV4s are pap, Range Rover Sport or a Land Rover Disco anyday

Comparing a RR Sport or disco3 to a Rav4 is ridiculous

I agree with LGS, the latest Rav4 is a nice car & far superior to the older models (which were cack).

 

[Rapid 17]

RAV4s are pap, Range Rover Sport or a Land Rover Disco anyday

The Rav 4 is unlikely to break down but the Range Rover and Land Rover almost certainly will.

Geoff.

 

[TopMeTom]

The Rav 4 is unlikely to break down but the Range Rover and Land Rover almost certainly will.

Geoff.

And you can't argue with that, lovely motors, just unreliable..

 

[Daddy k]

so then for a 4x4 to not become offensive you simply need to:
1: keep it in a lovly darling shade of purple
2: put a sweet little cartoon charecter on the back, awwwww


wonder if we can apply this to animals? do you think lets say.............. a purple polar bear wouldnt be as likekly to bite???
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nah still looks like hes gona bite!

bring him to the tattoo shop we gota ink that bird on his bum

 

[Gadget Daddy]

Quoting from some motor mag are we ?, I have never ever seen a RRS/DISCO broken down or being towed or on the back of a low loader

 

[udsf]

Quoting from some motor mag are we ?, I have never ever seen a RRS/DISCO broken down or being towed or on the back of a low loader

probably - i've had RR (petrol) and V8 LR - no problems at all apart from the usual service items - and they have all had serious off road use for hunting/shooting/fishing!

as i live in a rural area a lot of farmer friends etc have these vehicles and apart from the odd niggle all give the highest praise! - though i will say the Toyota Landcruiser scores well from a few who have them

the only one i've heard plenty of moans about was the early Discoveries

the local hairdresser has a Toyota RAV but the hardest use it gets is transporting his toy dogs

 

[Ed Selley]

Quoting from some motor mag are we ?, I have never ever seen a RRS/DISCO broken down or being towed or on the back of a low loader

I do 400 miles a week up and down the M1 and without exagerration, I see a Land rover product on the hard shoulder most days. To be fair most are the legendarily dreadful Freelanders but there are a fair number of new Disco's and Range Rovers in the mix - two of the latter have been on fire as well.

I'd also point out that Land Rover rarely break into the top half of customer satisfaction surveys.

Doesn't stop the RAV4 being pointless though. So it seats 5 and does 40mpg. So does a Focus and I bet they travel about the same distance off road.

 

[udsf]

customer satisfaction surveys are an interesting point - maybe its like these forums in that people always want to tell you about their problems whilst countless thousands of happy users say nothing

Jeep also did very poorly amongst said surveys - but i've just bought my second so they must be doing something right? - and i use mine as they were intended


though i will admit that some spares are a silly price in the UK whilst pennies in the USA

 

[Ed Selley]

customer satisfaction surveys are an interesting point - maybe its like these forums in that people always want to tell you about their problems whilst countless thousands of happy users say nothing

I think, Honda, Skoda, and (so as we confirm it isn't all "entry" brands) Jaguar and Lexus would say otherwise. Yes people are more likely to complain but there are also people like my good lady who never miss an opportunity to comment how impressed she's been with her Fabia VRS.

 

[Daddy k]

to be fair, if i had the choice between the rav4 4 door or new disco, id choose the rav,

if i had the choice between a range and another id choose the audi q7 tdi,

and if i wanted to go off road id buy a defender

PS: landrover main techs sit behind me, they dont have as many problems as jags whom sit to left of me

 

[Daddy k]

also you do simply get a "good car" or "a lemon" no matter what the make,
some people have fiats with no problems at 200k other than general maintainance and expected items, others have hondas that have engine failures at 10k miles.

its just going with the company who you get the best odds with i suppose lol

 

[Big Adam]

Doesn't stop the RAV4 being pointless though. So it seats 5 and does 40mpg. So does a Focus and I bet they travel about the same distance off road.

That's just not fair. A Rav4 will travel MUCH further off-road than a focus.

It's higher centre of gravity means that, following a misjudged corner, it will roll....oooh at least 3 or 4 times more than a focus before coming to a stop.

 

[Mylo]

That's just not fair. A Rav4 will travel MUCH further off-road than a focus.

It's higher centre of gravity means that, following a misjudged corner, it will roll....oooh at least 3 or 4 times more than a focus before coming to a stop.

nice one Adam

 

[Rapid 17]

Quoting from some motor mag are we ?, I have never ever seen a RRS/DISCO broken down or being towed or on the back of a low loader

No mate, i belong to nine performance car forums and of course other cars are discussed as well. Range Rovers/Land Rovers etc are often mentioned as being unreliable. Somebody in Australia is reputed to have said something like "if you go out into the bush go in a LandRover, if you want to get back again, go in a Toyota Landcruiser". I like the look of the latest Freelander but i wouldn't buy one. If they were as reliable as Hondas and Toyotas i would certainly consider one.

Geoff.

 

[shadieb]

A friend of mine bought a brand bew Range Rover Sport HSE last year (06 plate). He had to take it back 3 times for failing to start. Everytime according to LR techs it was a software fault and they had to reflash it.
He paid £53K for it with the dynamic pack and has now traded it in against a new lexus IS250 top model and took a £13K loss in one year.

 

[danaldinho7]

your mate sounds like a tool! my dad bought a Range Sport and sold it 3 weeks after delivery for £5k more than he bought it for because demands so high and even after a year they retain lots of value because of the high demand and they are over a year in delivery...guessing your mate took it to a delearship and got bitched over.

Audis Q7 and the BMW X5 in their disel varieties are great along with the VW Toureg...I know I have driven the VW and the X5 and the Audi is an Audi so its always going to do the business.

Slag off the Range Sport all you want aswell about reliability they're really good to drive, according to dad

 

[Ed Selley]

your mate sounds like a tool! my dad bought a Range Sport and sold it 3 weeks after delivery for £5k more than he bought it for because demands so high and even after a year they retain lots of value because of the high demand and they are over a year in delivery...guessing your mate took it to a delearship and got bitched over.

A quick look at autotrader reveals that a new, delivery mileage 4.2 supercharged Range Rover Sport sells for about £0 or so more than list when options are taken into account.

Besides it changes nothing about the cars reliability or lack thereof- the Chelsea and Chester set would buy a wheeled turd if they were told it was the in thing.

 

[Beobloke]

Interesting that i am diametrically opposed to LGS on this one.

The reason i love the Range Rover and Dicso so much is that they are truly accomplished vehicles that are equally happy posing in Chelsea, cruising down the motorway or climbing a mountain (well, when they're working anyway ). The fact that they have been purloined by people purely for pose value should not detract from their capabilities.

On the other hand, cars like the Rav4 just annoy me, as they are barely any different to the likes of a Focus, have virtually zero off-road ability and exist merely to pander to the style-conscious who think they should have something that looks big and burly because it's "in".

Like the Xsara Picasso, i can see no point to them.