980 Choice of best one... Bose av 18 ii vs bose 6 iii

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    Hi guys,

    9 have got bose av 18 version ii with media player sub etc.


    I also got bose acoustimass 6 version iii full system.

    Both sound fantastic.


    I want to, which one is best one?


    Can I run two subwoofer with together?


    Which one I should keep it?


    I'll appreciate your help guys....
     
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    I'm thinking you are in the best position to decide which system works best for you.

    I doubt you can run a second Sub on either system - what are you hoping to achieve by adding in the second Sub?

    Room - which system best suits the room you are to use them in?

    Correct layout of the speakers is critical to getting the best out of the system.

    Connectivity - which system offers the better connectivity option and do either of them cover everything you require?

    Joe
     
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    I spent last night swapping things around on both systems and I can tell you the differences I could find.
    1. Both systems have identical speakers, bose acoustimass 6 version 3 and bose lifestyle AV18 version 2 has got identical speakers. The sound they produce is not any different with either one, except AV18 has dua twistable speakers.
    2. Bose AV18 has two speakers at the front behind the grill but bose 6 subwoofer I could spot only one speaker underneath it.
    3. Bose AV18 has its own media player and bose 6 can be connected with any suitable av media player.

    As far as I can understand, the difference is due to different media players. I tried to hook bose AV18 to pioneer but av system isn't compatible. Otherwise I can see that hardware wise AV18 has the upper hand, but I want to know if I can buy 4k av receiver and connect my AV18 with Sony 4k receiver. I would appreciate your help.


    Note: single speak in the picture belongs to the bose 6 iii and double cube speakers belongs to bose lifestyle AV18 ii.
     
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    Connectivity - still amazed at how many folk spend money on BOSE with no clue about what they are purchasing. They are universally very poor in terms of connectivity.

    4K - can mean a lot of things depending on the '4K' Source and Display you are working with.

    In terms of passing a '4K' video signal then no neither system looks like it will support it.

    In terms of passing an Audio signal from a '4K' Source or TV then all you require is an Optical cable.

    Pioneer - a Player ought to be fine if it's an All-in-one then that is unlikely to work.

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    Thanks for your reply.

    I spent few hours with both system last night playing with stuff around and swapping speakers around and playing with bit of setting.

    here is my review,

    Speakers on both system are identical, except AV18 has got dual speakers
    Thanks for your reply.

    My Bose AV18 media player does NOT have HDMI connections, therefore I cant possible run 4k through it.

    I think main question should be, can I replace AV18 ii Media Player with any decent 4k receiver or can I hook Bose AV18 subwoofer, speakers with 4k Sony or any other 4k AV receiver?

    What about BOSE HDMI converter?

    I think, replacing Media server should (theoretically) solve all the issue.

    PN: I bought Bose after consulting few guys, who had few other sound systems and Bose, they recommended Bose due as it easy to set up, small speakers and excellent sound quality etc.
     
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    Outline what you are planning in terms of Sources and a Display - there may not be a requirement to run any '4K' video via your Amp (BOSE or otherwise).

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    First I need to appreciate that guys like are very kind and helpful to poor guys like me lol

    Since I have tested/run bose acoustimass 6 iii through denon, I don't like Bose AV18 "media player" anymore.

    According to specs, av18's sub-woofer stands out to be a lot better option compare to bose 6 iii.

    so simple question is, can/how i can connect av18 subwoofer with any other receiver?
     

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    You can't connect anything from bose to other receivers. They are not compatible.
    If your plan is upgrade, then sell bose system or.... Find recycle bin. Just overpriced HTIB, not worth the trouble.
     
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    its my first home theater sound system in my life. I have not got space for bigger speakers and subwoofer is big and does shake up my settee even in minimum volume. therefore I really doubt if I can replace Bose with a similar price and specs (beauty, size etc.). Therefore i am happy to keep these speakers and sub (with my very limited knowledge/experience) and I am looking to drive bose av18 through a different brand receiver.

    I am sure, there must be a way ....
     
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    The Lifestyle 18 AV system is not designed to be used with a third party AV Receiver.

    The Acoustimass 6 speaker system you can use with a third party AV Receiver.

    Is there a reason why you have both systems?

    As per previous notes '4K' video capable Sources don't necessarily mean you must have 4K capabilities on your AV Receiver.

    Joe
     
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    The BOSE systems do not have a Subwoofer, they have an Acoustimass unit.

    Because of the limitations of the small satellite speakers the Acoustimass has to carry frequencies well above what a normal sub would do - the manuals recommend setting crossover to 200Hz, this is well above what is usually sent to a sub and can result in the Acoustimass box being locatable.

    The advice you received before buying was not good if you were planning to upgrade - BOSE, like APPLE prefer to operate in a closed ecosystem and don;t play well with others.

    They are not bad bits of kit but there are better quality systems out there for the price.
     
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    I bought two bose systems few years ago and I wanted to gift to my brother but he is happy with his tv speakers. But I have been using av18 but I kept bose 6 iii in my spare room for years. My other half wanted to sell my all spare gadgets but when i switched on, we both really liked sound quality of bose through Denon. But I am not expert

    I have got Sony TV trolley with 5.1 sound system built in, thats why I hardly use bose but to watch movies on weekends.


    After your expert advice, I am seriously thinking to get rid of bose Av media player and Bose subwoofer, single cube speakers and denon av player.

    I might keep bose 6 iii, double cube speakers and I might buy sony 4k budget av receiver.

    I have got Nvidia Shield tv box, Dreambox HD original (going to upgrade to vu solo 4k) and 4k tv in couple of months. Thats why I need a decent basic receiver to get all these inputs to pass through 4k signals and to drive bose speakers for a decent sound quality.

    if you dont mind asking what sort of system you got at home.
     
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    Yes, I was told that bose speakers and subs can work with any av receiver thats why I was asking how to run av 18 through third party av receiver. I was thinking that bose hdmi converter might help but....


    anyway, you mentioned that there are lot better system with decent price. can you give me an example please... (direct comparison to Bose please).


    pn: I dont want bigger size speakers ..
     
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    Personlly I'm running an old Denon 1909 AVR with SKY HD and NVidia Shield (for PLEX and KODI) as sources. I have a Panasonic BluRay as well but currently not connected.

    TV wise I have a Panasonic 55VT65 (HD Plasma).

    Speakers I'm running the KEF T205.
     
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    What is major driving force to produce good sound? KEF T205 vs Denon 1909?

    I want to buy a receiver to control sub-woofer to produce sound close to av18's subwoofer. Any recommendation?

    I have got,

    Sony kdl-65w855c and LG 47LM620
    Nvidia Shield Tv (kodi) and Amazon fire stick (rubbish)
    Dreambox HD
    WD HDD 2tb
    Bose Av18 full system
    Bose 6 iii with Denon but I never used it.
    and
    Sony TV trolley with 5:1 sound system built in

    I use nexus 9 to stream videos through shield box


    I dont know much about Plex but I don't have any latest PC to run as a server. if I connect my HDD, can I share my movies with you and vice versa?
     

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    AVR - ensure you know what you may require in terms of UHD (4K) compatibility, ideally you will want to ensure the AVR caters for 2160p60 with HDCP 2.2 and HDR otherwise you may find yourself running into problems if your UHD Display caters for that shortlist of features.

    System - if you enjoy the Bose 6 system try them with the new AVR, later on you always have the option to dry a different Sat/Sub system if required.

    At home - all sorts, 30+ years of working in Hi-Fi and AV and you amass a bit of a collection :)

    Joe

    PS Only BOSE I've ever owned being lots of 802 (Mk11) and 302 Bass Bins when we had an Events hire department.
     
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    The Denon 1909 was mid-range when I bought it (around £500 new) and this was originally connected to a CANTON Movie speaker set - which sounded much better than the SONY all-in-one system that it replaced.

    The sound quality took a massive step up in terms of both clarity and tone when I upgraded the speakers to the KEF's that I currently have.

    The honest answer to your question is why would you want a new system that sounds as poor as the one you have. I appreciate that what you have is a massive step up from TV or even soundbar audio but you can do much better than the BOSE for a similar spend.

    The best advice I can give you is to find a local specialist (where abouts do you live?) and audition some systems that come within your budget. What is your budget by the way?

    I run PLEX via a Synology NAS and it works great - you could however plug your HDD into the back of the Shield and play without needing the NEXUS.
     
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    I recently bought pioneer sc1124 av receiver to replace denon av.

    It does look good and on paper it does upscale video contents to 4k.

    But....

    Its ridiculously complicated.

    I couldn't figure out how to connect bose 6 iii's cables with receiver.

    Only two of speakers are working at the moment.

    I could make subwoofer to work.

    I have bought jamo2 rare three speakers but wife said no, as they are bulky.

    HD picture quality look bit of fake.

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    Video up-converision - no real benefit to converting in the AVR, any 4K Display will undertake the same processing.

    BOSE - have you downloaded the Install Manual for the system you have?

    Joe
     
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    It may be a stupid observation but in the images the AVR is set to Stereo - you have tried setting it to a surround sound mode like ProLogic II or using a blu-ray source haven't you?
     
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    wow man. you done the job. I just changed from stereo to cinema, my all speakers are working just perfectly. This AV receiver is amazing as I can control it through my app and i changed its setting from my phone.


    I couldnt find prologic setting anywhere....

    Do you think its worth to keep it or I should swap with a 1080p receiver (less than half of its price) I am going to upgrade my tv to 4k in near future.

    Other issue i have got with this receiver is sound. If I compare this with AV18 ii, its absolute rubbish when it comes to sound quality. What wrong I am am doing? Bose AV 18 gets loud on volume 38-40 and this one get loud close to 70-80. and its bass is far less than av18.

    what wrong I am doing now....
     

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    First thing is calibration. You have the microphone (came together with receiver) ? Read the manual.
    Pioneer receivers are quite complicated, but they give you good sound, if everything is set up correctly.
     

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