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Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by SystemBlack, Mar 25, 2003.

  1. SystemBlack

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    Can anyone tell me which amp supports the NEW 8.2 standard. I have a home cinema room 20' by 10' and wish to kit it out with the best ever system. LCD projector and all that !
     
  2. nathan_silly

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    If you want the BEST EVER system you won't use LCD!

    Anyway, I think the first 8.1 system is Tag's dual processor height channel.
     
  3. ReTrO

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    But there's no software that has a height channel encoded yet, and even with it it will ony be 7.1.
     
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    I believe that "we were soldiers" was the first movie encoded in 8.1 when it was shown at cinemas.
     
  5. ReTrO

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    Sadly that mix didn't make it to the DVD though.

    There is a thread on these forums about it somewhere, and also over on AVS.
     
  6. Sunday Ironfoot

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    8.1!!???

    What next, they might as well turn the walls, floor and ceiling into speakers.

    BTW, are there any websites on this?
     
  7. Reiner

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    I will settle for 12.4 only and nothing less. :D
     
  8. Sunday Ironfoot

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    Nah, 36.768254 / 4 square root over 5.686 x pie surround sound systems are where it's at!

    :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
     
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    8.2 !!!! God save us, 5.1 is expensive enough. Sounds like another cunning ploy from the hardware guys to get us to part from our hard-earned cash again.

    Can't say I'm in a rush to go to 6.1 even, haven't been that amazed by it compared to 5.1.

    Perhaps 2.4 would be more fun given a bit of Leftfield or Orbital :D
     
  10. Sunday Ironfoot

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    Anyone remember Bi-wiring, a conspiracy theory made up by speaker cable manufacturers to sell more speaker cable. :D
     
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    arent the THX boys supposed to be working on a 10.2 system, which will supposedly introduce "height" surround channels into the mix

    the classic example of " a helicopter flying completely round the room (ala apocalypse now opening) will now include said helicopter climbing and dropping as well

    adi
     
  12. Steve.EX

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    But isn't a fully liscensed THX 10.2 system an absolute niche market (have a look at the new speaker positions - who's going to have that in a living room) with no real prospect of entering the mainstream home arena except for the very well healed/single man.
    I have spoken to both Tag and Dolby about this and they both quoted time frames of AT LEAST 5 years before any new license home formats would be released onto the market given the average man on the streets confusion over existing formats.


    Steve.
     
  13. Reiner

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    Make no jokes: 12.4 was mentioned before and 10.2 is indeed under development. Also keep in mind that DTS is an open system, i.e. the standard is not limited to 5.1 or 6.1 - so if they feel like adding a few more channels it can be done.

    If that all makes sense and will be appreciated by the consumers is another story ... :)
     
  14. Steve.EX

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    Reiner

    I am well "aware" of the written word about "such" developements but my post was regards implementation into home standards.
    (not to include individual manufacturer proprietry systems but regardless without properly licensed/encoded software this is a long way away yet.)
    Steve.
     
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    My take on things...... i really dont care so long as they make even numbers of main channels! :eek: nothing more ridiculous than having to buy a new pair of speakers and another matching power amp...... only for half of it to be unused! :mad:

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  16. NicolasB

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    All this makes me wonder yet again why we use loudspeakers at all instead of just using headphones with binaural recordings....
     
  17. nunew33

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    What will the new logo for sound format look like? SOmething simple like this:
     

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    Now if Xbox 2 or Playstation 3 ultilised something like this for their games, it would mean blind people could play, ie. they could listen out for enemy movements :D
     
  19. Reiner

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    I wasn't directly referring to your post - and as you can see from my last sentence I doubt that the consumer will accept it. Sure, some "freaks" will want it, but the mainstream will probably settle for 5.1 ...

    nunew33: Good one! :rotfl:
     
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    Sure... OK... So no one is interested in 8.2 10.2 13.4 and definitely not 67.8... But as of this point in time, 711 people (oops 712 including this post :D ) have read this thread... Not bad for a 3 character heading... I could post a thread with "sex" as another 3 character heading and I bet not 711... erm... 712 people would bother to read it...

    No interest? Hmm... OK...

    :D :rotfl: :p :devil:

    Graxxor.
     
  21. jhjerpe

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    At the end of the day we are all looking for new excuses to buy abd try new kit! So the more speakers the better...:D
     
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    This post was meant to be a mickytake of those of us who want the best ever system they can, I wish I had a load more dosh to upgrade but I can live with my kit in 5.1 in my 15' x 12' lounge. I have to say that I have learned a lot since I got on here and really enjoy all the info. Now let's see if we can reach the 1000 viewings and who knows, those nice people at Dolby will give me a brand new system.........:smashin:
     

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    There is, of course, something to be said for bass management systems that include more than one subwoofer. The Lexicon MC-12 allows you to connect anything up to three subwoofers, one each side so that you get bass that's been redirected from the surround speakers in stereo rather than mono, and then a third for the discrete LFE channel.
     
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    dts introduced ES Discrete around 18 months ago (if not longer) which is a true 7.1 dicrete system, but you can count the software available on both hands, so whats the point? Where is the software going to come from for a 10.2 et al system. Will we finally see Sonys SDDS system, i doubt it.

    (comments on actual discrete software, not marix ES)
     
  25. NicolasB

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    DTS ES Discrete is 6.1 not 7.1. :lesson:
     
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    If we get 7.1 I suspect it will be this mythical height channel.

    A small technical note though, ALL the current chip sets are 7.1 (SHARCs. Motorola, Crystal etc etc) ONLY, if anyone thinks they will ever get more than 7.1 with any of the current processors, they are living in on a different planet, it just ain't going to happen except by ditching just about everything in your box currently, despite what people might have 'hinted' to you.
     
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    Just a note to say thanks to all who replied (and help the message get to the top of the list again :)
     
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    Some Lexicon and Meridian products have the ability to connect multiple subwoofers with (I think) different outputs, so surely this this could be classed as 7.2 or 7.3. The actual source material remains (at best) 6.1, of course.
     
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    You guys and gals have missed one thing out, DVD storage have a finite amount of space, this means to go from 5.1 sound format to 10.2 sound format would requre more compression on each audio channel (this is not a good thing) last thing we want to do is loose sound quality for more channels.

    Also the more channels equals more phase issues, frequency cancelation and room induced peaks, we may need more and more EQ's to flatten out our systems frequency responces.
     
  30. rigman

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    Yes you are right Nicholas. My Lexicon MC12 has 3 sub outputs for L&R and also a LFE sub channel so is currently a 7.3 system. It also has aux outputs so is able to cope with any future increases in channels. Altogether 12 channels hence the name.

    Darren
     

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