7.1 speaker placement

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    Hiya I was hoping have a 7.1 setup but my living room is a pain In the ass.
    I put my rears up earlier and got 2 left over.I was wondering if it's worth putting one on My chimney breast and the other on the wall opposite facing each other
    I know it won't be ideal but would I see any gains ? ImageUploadedByAVForums1390936729.905507.jpg
     
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    Well it's got to be better than not having them at all surely?
     
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    Thats what I was thinking but every search I have done always mentions them directly at the sides.nothing about them been forward
     
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    It should be said that rears are surrounds and not to use the back terminals if only wanting a 5.1 setup irrespective of whewere the speakers are located. Back terminals should not be used for the rear surround speakers associated with 5.1. ;)

    It is better to have just a 5.1 setup than attempt to shoehorn a 7.1 setup into a a room that cannot adequately accommodate it. Your room doesn't look like it can accommodate a 7.1 configuration?

    I'd suggest sticking with a 5.1 configuration with the surrounds behind the sofa. Maybe pull the sofa forwars=d a little if at all possible? I'd also suggest raising the height of the existing speakers and slightly toeing them into the room by about 10°.
     
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    'It should be said that rears are surrounds and not to use the back terminals if only wanting a 5.1 setup irrespective of whewere the speakers are located. Back terminals should not be used for the rear surround speakers associated with 5.1. ;)' - yes should have been clearer, re-plumb the spk cables at the AVR so the installed Spks are connected to the Surround terminals.

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    PS And agree with dante01 on height and toe-in of installed Spks too :thumbsup:
     
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    How much higher do you think they need go there currently about ear level and changed the wiring on me Avr thank you :)
    I might have a quick play with 7.1 but yeah like you said its shoehorning them in.
    The one what would of bin facing the chimney breast is other side of room a good couple of ft away from me surrounds.so thought it would of spread the sound
     
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    I'd suggest at least 30 - 40cm above your seated head height. The surrounds are intended to create a more dispersed sound and if too close to your head height they become localised.

    You should be hearing effects as though they are not emanating directly from the speakers or the location of the speakers.
     
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    ImageUploadedByAVForums1391016601.847992.jpg

    Ignore all the holes in the wall :D but does that look better.
    I put it more in the corner spread the sound out more.
    They won't tilt in any more but thinking of moving the sub to in that corner
     
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    LOL You shouldn't stick speakers in corners! Most of the energy powering them is wasted trying to get the audio out of the corner because the sound waves bounce about in there before they can reach you ears. It usually results is bass boom. The same would be true of a sub. I'd leave the sub out and up front somewhere and would avoid sticking it into an alcove ;)


    How do the speakers sound now that you've moved them? Is the surround sound more enveloping and less localised?
     
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    Ya kidding :D better get me drill back out
     
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    Right speakers moved and moved my sub from out of my bay to the front :)

    And wow I can see what you mean about moving the speakers up.
    its a lot more natural sounding now instead of just next to my ears. even the other other half agreed and she hates speakers.shes not impressed with the holes in the wall thou oops

    I still got 2 mordaunts left hmmm do you know much about pro logic 2 seems that uses 2 more speakers above the fronts.Sounds strange to me
     
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    Pro Logic II is 5.1 so no need for any additional speakers. Pro Logic creates pseudo surround from stereo content, version PLII creates 5.1 while PLIIx will create 7.1. PLIIx will also create two additional back channels in association with discrete 5.1 audio. There's another version called PLIIz that creates pseudo channels for use with additional front height speakers that can be located at the front and above your conventional front speakers. Audyssey also has something similar to Pro LOgic IIz called DSX.
     
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    Nice work - I've had customers take two years to move Spks :)

    If your Amp has a Zone 2 out you can possibly assign the 'spare' Spks for Stereo duties in another room (time for that drill :))

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    That's the one Pl11z .Looking at the pictures it looks like here on the ceiling facing down and I got a 12 ft ceiling so should be hidden but is there any benefit seems a odd concept to me.Its mainly for my play station 4
    I think it has got a zone 2 so that is a option but hmm it's just hiding the wires
     
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    Get the drill out :)

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    No, the speakers are locarted on the wall behind and above your front left and right speakers, not on the ceiling. PLIIz is supposed to create the illusion of audio from above. It has received a mixed reception since it was introduced and hasn't really taken the AV world by storm. Many who've tried it have since gone on to use their receiver to power other speakers with the channels otherwise used to power the height speakers. Its a novelty more than anything else. Using DSX to create front width is probably a better option than using PLIIz to create height.
     
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    You shouldn't tell me get me the drill out looking at my walls my landlords going kill me :D I need a lot of filler
    Doesn't sound very promising then for PL11.I might have a play thou as think can just rest them on my curtain pole.suppose it's good if watching a film with birds in or summit

    Don't think I got Dsx just pl11 and neo is it
     
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    PLIIz is great is you've a large collection of films with rain and helicopters in them :)
     
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    :D ya know what I can't think of one
    But thinking of it wouldn't they be any good on the wall behind me at the top.im determined get them used ;)
     
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    Hope the landlords not an AVF member :)
     
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    He's got a man cave I wouldn't be surprised if he is lol
    hi Jason will mend holes at the weekend :D

    SInce using these speakers I'm having problems with my tele losing tv signal.it seems be getting worse and worse.is this a common side effect
     
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    'SInce using these speakers I'm having problems with my tele losing tv signal.it seems be getting worse and worse.is this a common side effect' - probably best that you outline which kit you have (make and model number) with links to online User Manuals and a bit more detail on when the problem occurs.

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    Harmen kardon Avr 171
    Mordaunt short premier kit
    And ms advent 906 floor standers (I'm a big fan of mourdant short )
    Tele is a lg lw47450u

    It seems be completely random like watching big brother was going off every 5 mins.then sometime no picture and just sound and a few times a picture put with purple on top
     
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    'like watching big brother was going off every 5 mins'

    How are you viewing the Source - TV Tuner (Freeview/Freesat) or External Source?

    How is the TV connected to the AVR?

    How are External Sources connected to the AVR/TV?

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    It's sky hd connected to amp via hdmi then amp to tele via hdmi
    Also my ps4 is connected by hdmi and can't get a picture for that either
     
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    Have you tried using different HDMI cables? It sounds to be an issue with the HDMI handshake between components? The most likely suspect is the connection from receiver to TV although it would also be worth checking the cables between components going to the AV receiver. If this still doesn't resolve the issue then you need to get in touch with the retailer who sold you the receiver because I'd suspect the receiver at fault and as being the next most likely cullprit. HK receivers have a very poor reputation in terms of their reliability.
     
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    Spot on again was a dodgy hdmi lead :)
     
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