61 days in prison for killing someone

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  1. 273K

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    Came across this on another forum and cannot believe the injustice:

    In December 2016, Andy Lindup was run over and left to die in the road by the man who hit him. He was 36.

    The person responsible hid his van with its broken windscreen caused when he hit Andy and kept it to himself for a fortnight until he was traced by police.

    Because he left the scene, that's all he could be charged with as other evidence (drinking for example) couldn't be proven.
    As a result, he was given 4 months in prison and served only 61 days. For taking a life.

    Andy's family are campaigning to get the law changed so that leaving the scene carries the same sentence as death by dangerous driving. The way the law is at the moment, there is almost an incentive to drive away.

    The petition is here Petition: Increase the sentence for failure to stop after a fatal road traffic collision

    And some more detail about the case and the campaign from Andy's dad here: Hit-and-run family in sentence review call

    Please sign the petition, this crime is tragically so common and devastates so many lives and the sentences given out are a joke and an insult to grieving families.
    It's not the judges and the police at fault, the man who killed Andy was given the maximum sentence for that charge, it's the law that's wrong.

    Thank you for reading and for signing and feel free to share on Facebook/Twitter/anywhere else to help raise the profile of this campaign.
     
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  2. rousetafarian

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    Would you object if I moved this to GC temporarily?
     
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    Go for it, I wavered between posting in GC and here.
     
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    Let’s see how it goes in GC
     
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    disgusted at the "punishment"

    signed and hope it gets acted upon.
     
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    Signed
     
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    Leaving the scene of a fatal accident should have its own category in law to allow for more serious sentencing.
     
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    ^^^^
    Fails to stop. Evades police. No license. No insurance.

    8 years which probably means out in 4


    “I hope his ultimate guilty plea and today’s sentence brings some comfort to Susan’s family, who have remained dignified throughout the investigation.

    “Our thoughts remain with Susan’s family at this sad and difficult time.”


    Wouldn’t bring me comfort.

    Still think our custodial sentances are way too light.

    Anyways, petition signed.
     
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    What is the current law/punishment for failing to stop at an accident? I thought it was already one of the most serious punishments going for driving offenses?

    Edit
    Not trying to cause trouble, but would just like to know what the current setup/legal status is before I sign a petition asking for a change on it

    Further edit
    It's up to 6 months prison, 5 to 10 points, disqualification and up to £5000 fine. Understand reason behind petition now
     
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    I think in general punishment for serious driving offences is rubbish.
    Drink driving for example. I think if you are double the limit you should be banned for life. Having one or two pints and getting caught is still bad, but to be double the limit you know you are drunk. Driving is a privilege and not a right. Here's another example which most have probably heard
    Lorry driver who caused horrific A34 death crash deserved sentence
    10 years for killing four people. Likely to be out after 5.
     
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    Signed. Disgusting.
     
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    Signed and your thread linked on two other forums.
     
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    Signed. Now up to 3,334 signatures.
     
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    As I still see plenty of selfish fudges driving badly while on the phone, I'd be in favour of making these punishments even stricter ...
    at the very least make it 9 points with a 1K fine (2K for non-call usage like texting, app use, browser use etc)
     
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    I've signed. 3343 now.
     
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    Driver like this,should also lose their Licenses for life,and if caught again driving an automatic 5 year sentence
     
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    Even more upsetting is that the victim was the sole carer for her two adult but severely disabled children.
     
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    Such a tragedy,imo the government really ought start getting really tough on driver like him :(
     
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    Something has been bothering me about this thread (which is why I haven't signed yet), that I'm hoping someone can clear up.

    The driver admit leaving the scene of an accident which therefore means that he was also admitting to be involved in one, yet isn't charged with causing death/injury by undue attentions/dangerous driving. Can someone explain why please?

    I get that they cannot prove that he was drunk etc, but so what. He admitted being in an accident which killed someone, so why wasn't he charged with it? There are many reasons why you can drive dangerous and not all of them require you to be drunk/high.

    To me it seems that CPS is at fault here not the current law on fleeing the scene.
     
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    The law needs changing that’s the point.
     
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    Why?

    He could have been charged separately for the death but wasn't, there's no limit to the amount of offences you can be charged with, and the fact that he was only charged with the one is not the judge or that laws fault.

    Not defending the guy as he is clearly scum, just don't see the need to change the current law either.

    If you change it to include death, then you need the same level of proof as the current death by dangerous driving which already exists, which he wasn't charged with. Therefore he wouldn't have been charged with the harsher offences if the current law already was different.

    Anyway that's my lot as I don't wish to troll. But if a petition goes up to recharge the guy with fresh charges let me know and I will happily sign
     

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