605 vs 905 £1000 difference would you pay and is it worth it???

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  1. sunnyhd

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    Hi guys
    if you had the extra cash to spend? would you go for 905
    I would like to because I need two hdmi output, but the rest I am not sure if need it. Although I rather have something which will last for at least 5 years. I do love my movies and I am more into my sound then picture quality
    So please please please somebody out there help me to choose which one should I buy?
    You guys out there are like gods, seem to know everything there is to know about home cinema :lease:
    My speakers are MONITOR AUDIO Gold ‘CP’ In-Wall speakers
    Frequency response 55Hz - 30KHz
    Sensitivity ([email protected]) 89dB
    Impedance (nominal) 8 Ohms
    Maximum SPL 106.5 dBA
    Power Handling 120W

    Thank you
    sunnyhd
    Onkyo TX-NR905 7.1 Channel home Network Receiver (DTS-HD, TXNR905) £1,399.00
    Available August 2007 Pre-Order yours now!
    • 220 W/Ch, Continuous 6 , 1 kHz, 1 Channel Driven, IEC
    • THX Ultra2 Certified (with THX Processing)
    • DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High-Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus decoding
    • Massive Toroidal Transformer and Two Separate Transformers for Audio
    and Video Processing
    • VLSC (Vector Linear Shaping Circuitry) for All Channels
    • 192 kHz/24-Bit Burr Brown DACs (PCM1796) for All Channels
    • Microsoft PlaysForSure Certified for Streaming Windows Media Audio
    • Ethernet Port for Onkyo e-Control System and Internet Radio
    • HDMI (v.1.3a) Audio and Video Processing
    • HQV Reon-VX Video Processing
    • HDMI Upscaling and Upconversion (to 1080p)
    • Component Video Upconversion
    • HDTV-Capable HDMI (4 Inputs and 2 Outputs) and Component Video (100 MHz) Switching (3 Inputs and 1 Output)
    • Dual Push-Pull Amplifier Design with 3-Stage Inverted Darlington Circuitry
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    • Three Advanced TI 32-Bit Processing DSP Chips
    • Audyssey MultEQ XT to Correct Room Acoustic Problems and
    to Calibrate Speakers
    • Neural-THX Surround Technology for Gaming, Movies and Broadcasting
    • Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Video Out (Composite); Zone 2/Zone 3
    • Pre Outs with Volume, Balance and Bass/Treble (Zone 2 Only) Controls
    • RS232, IR and 12 V Trigger Connectivity
    • Onkyo RIHD for System Control
    • Pure Audio Mode
    • USB Port for a USB Mass Storage Device
    • Bi-Amping and BTL (Bridged Transless) Capability
    Independent Crossover Adjustment for F/C/S/SB (40/50/60/70/80/90/100/(20/150/200 Hz)
    • 40 FM/AM Radio Presets with RDS
    • Compatible with RI (Remote Interactive) Dock for the iPod
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    Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 AV Receiver (dts-HD, Dolby TrueHD, TXSR605) £399.99
    Available July 2007 Pre-Order yours now!
    • 140 W/Ch, Continuous 6 �, 1 kHz, 1 Channel Driven, IEC
    • DTS-HD� Master Audio and Dolby� TrueHD Decoding
    • H.C.P.S. (High Current Power Supply) Massive High Power Transformer
    • 192 kHz/24-Bit DACs for All Channels
    • HDMI (v.1.3a) Audio and Video Processing
    • HDTV-Capable HDMI (2 Inputs and 1 Output) and Component Video
    • (50 MHz) Switching (3 Inputs and 1 Output)
    • HDMI Video Upconversion
    • Component Video Upconversion
    • WRAT (Wide Range Amplifier Technology)
    • Advanced 32-Bit Processing DSP Chip
    • Audyssey 2EQ to Correct Room Acoustic Problems and to Calibrate Speakers
    • Onkyo RIHD for System Control
    • 5 Digital Inputs (3 Optical/2 Coaxial)
    • 5 S-Video Inputs and 2 Outputs
    • CinemaFILTER
    • Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Line-Out for Playback in Another Room
    • Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi Edge (Directional Correlational Deinterlacing) Technology
    • IntelliVolume
    • Pure Audio Mode
    • Bi-Amping Capability for Music and Movie Sound Effects
    • Subwoofer Pre Out
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    • Non-Scaling Configuration
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    • Color-Coded 7.1-Multichannel Inputs
    • Independent Crossover Adjustment for F/C/S/SB (40/50/60/80/100/120/150/200 Hz)
    • A/V Synchronization Function (Up to 100 ms in 10 ms Steps)
    • 40 FM/AM Radio Presets with RDS
    • Compatible with RI (Remote Interactive) Dock for the iPod
    • Preprogrammed RI (Remote Interactive) Remote Control with Mode-Key LEDs
     
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    There is a grand difference between those two amps, what about a yam or denon. The 2807 for example?
     
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    on paper the 905 sounds fantastic. I'm personally going to wait for the 705 however no ethernet.

    on a related note how does the ethernet conection work? can u just conect this to ure router and you enter the streaming address into your amp?
     
  4. sunnyhd

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    never heard of yamaha, is ti 1.3? and 2087 which make is it?
     
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    The 905 is more powerful, has ethernet and USB, THX Ultra2 (as opposed to Select2) and far superior amp circuits (including a toroidal transformer).
     
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    also the 905 supports all new codecs

    605 = DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD Decoding

    705 up to 905 = DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High-Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus decoding

    605 is too stripped down for my liking while the 875 hits the good value v's features point
     
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    thanks for the heads up gandley, as this is a very important point for me and alot of other people, which i have commented on in the 605 thread!:D
     
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    Anyone considered that the more expensive model might just, perhaps, maybe, possibly sound a bit better? Or even a lot better?

    (What? There's a bloke posting in the "amps" forum and he mentioned sound quality. What the bloody hell next.......)
     
  10. sunnyhd

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    can somebody comment on the toroidal transformer please i am not sure what it does? and why do you need usb? i think i will get 905 as its THX ultra2 but don't you need two subwoofers to make it sound better?
     
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    Although the 905 is over 3 times the price of the 605 it will almost certainly not sound 3 times better.What you are paying for is extra features mostly with av amps.Don't get me wrong if the £1400 amp doesn't sound better than the £400 one then there's something seriously wrong but IMHO the difference is unlikely to be night and day.You have to decide if you need the extra features,if not save your money.
    I think at the moment I would be waiting to see the upcoming offerings from Denon and Yamaha who have a better history of av amps.It looks like Onkyo will be first to market with dts ma decoding etc and on paper the 905 looks a great amp.However you should never buy any av kit on paper specs alone. With a little bit of patience you may well find there are better options in 2 or 3 months time.
     
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    Toroidal transformers do the same as any other transformer convert voltages.Toroidal transformers just offer better performance in av/hifi equipment by offering "cleaner" power with better transient response.
    The usb socket is for connecting external equipment like mp3 players or pc's.
     
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    Waiting for the 875, i'm optimistic Onkyo will deliver a great product! i've had 3 Yamaha amps till now, and would have preferred to buy another but without sparking off the whole need for 1.3 debate, am going to try the 875 and i know a spec sheet proves nothing in terms of performance i personally think i'll be really pleased with the build, components, features and most importantly performance of the 875.
    I think it weighs 50lb WOW!!:thumbsup:
     
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    Personally im waiting for the 705

    It supports all the new codecs, is 1.3 ready and doesnt cost the earth.

    No THX2 Ultra instead its select2 certified but im not sure of the difference that would make, not sure about the transformers either but seems a well specced reciever for the price
     
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    The 705 does everything I need and for £550 its a steal

    Dave
     
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    ignore Select2.....its like the computer based THX badge, really not relevant.....THX Ultra is the only one worth paying any real attention to.....even then most amps costing what a THX Ultra badged one would cost will most likely be of the same quality and abilities, they just didnt waste money paying Lucas for the right to wear the badge....lol

    and yes to anyone who responds, i'm well aware there is more to THX than just the badge, it is a set of stringent standards that must be adhered to to get the badge....but those standards for Select2 will be met by most amps in the price range....
     
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    will the 05/ 705 hve a usb port and ill they work with 4 ohm speakers. thanks
     
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    If you want one of these Onkyo receivers just for processor capabilities, mainly for the hi-def processing, then which do you think is best to get? By best i mean bang for buck best?
     
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    In this country maybe...but Onkyo have been at the top of the high end AV game in Japan and The US for many years - mainly under the name of Integra. I'm drooling at the prospect of getting hold of an 875. I have had HD DVD & BD but sold them on...mainly because of the audio issuse of not being able to decode TrueHD properly. I'll hopefully pick up an 875 sometime in the not to distant future and then be able to dip my fingers in the HD/BD world again - but this time, properly.
     
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    The 875 is the best of the bunch on paper, where else are you going to THX ultra 2 spec, Realta processing and all the new high res audio formats for just under a grand.
    just buy one sell the cat if necessary

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    Will the 875 be able to Bi amp like the Denon ?

    Cheers

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    andy - all the new Onkyo amps from the 605 and up support bi-amping using the rear surrounds.
     
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    Hmmm it looks like i've got another amp to look at then.

    So i've got the choice of:

    Denon 3808CI or Onkyo 875 :thumbsup:

    Andy
     
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    Hi guys I was thinking of pre ordering the 905 at £1,399 the only problem is i don't see any difference between sr875 and nr905 other then 905 has two hdmi out. is it worth £400 more just for that? Or am I missing something? I tried putting both spec side by side, I couldn't see any difference. Just 2 hdmi out
    Please help…………

    Thank you in advance


    Available August 2007 Pre-Order yours now!£1,399.00
    Onkyo TX-NR905 7.1 Channel home Network Receiver (DTS-HD, TXNR905)
    • 220 W/Ch, Continuous 6 , 1 kHz, 1 Channel Driven, IEC
    • THX Ultra2 Certified (with THX Processing)
    • DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High-Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus decoding
    • Massive Toroidal Transformer and Two Separate Transformers for Audio
    and Video Processing
    • VLSC (Vector Linear Shaping Circuitry) for All Channels
    • 192 kHz/24-Bit Burr Brown DACs (PCM1796) for All Channels
    • Microsoft PlaysForSure Certified for Streaming Windows Media Audio
    • Ethernet Port for Onkyo e-Control System and Internet Radio
    • HDMI (v.1.3a) Audio and Video Processing
    • HQV Reon-VX Video Processing
    • HDMI Upscaling and Upconversion (to 1080p)
    • Component Video Upconversion
    • HDTV-Capable HDMI (4 Inputs and 2 Outputs) and Component Video (100 MHz) Switching (3 Inputs and 1 Output)
    • Dual Push-Pull Amplifier Design with 3-Stage Inverted Darlington Circuitry
    • WRAT (Wide Range Amplifier Technology)
    • Three Advanced TI 32-Bit Processing DSP Chips
    • Audyssey MultEQ XT to Correct Room Acoustic Problems and
    to Calibrate Speakers
    • Neural-THX Surround Technology for Gaming, Movies and Broadcasting
    • Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Video Out (Composite); Zone 2/Zone 3
    • Pre Outs with Volume, Balance and Bass/Treble (Zone 2 Only) Controls
    • RS232, IR and 12 V Trigger Connectivity
    • Onkyo RIHD for System Control
    • Pure Audio Mode
    • USB Port for a USB Mass Storage Device
    • Bi-Amping and BTL (Bridged Transless) Capability
    Independent Crossover Adjustment for F/C/S/SB (40/50/60/70/80/90/100/(20/150/200 Hz)
    • 40 FM/AM Radio Presets with RDS

    Available August 2007 Pre-Order yours now!£999.99
    Onkyo TX-SR875 dts-HD 7.1 AV Amplifier (Dolby TrueHD,TXSR875) Onkyo
    • 200 W/Ch, Continuous 6, 1 kHz, 1 Channel Driven, IEC THX Ultra2 Certified (with THX Processing)
    • DTS-HD® Master Audio, DTS-HD® High-Resolution Audio, Dolby® TrueHD,Dolby® Digital Plus Decoding
    • H.C.P.S. (High Current Power Supply) Massive High Power Transformer
    • VLSC (Vector Linear Shaping Circuitry) for All Channels
    • 192 kHz/24-Bit Burr Brown DACs (PCM1796) for All Channels
    • HDMI (v.1.3a) Audio and Video Processing
    • HQV Reon-VX Video Processing
    • HDMI Upscaling and Upconversion (to 1080p)
    • Component Video Upconversion
    • HDTV-Capable HDMI (4 Inputs and 1 Output) and Component Video (100 MHz) Switching (3 Inputs and 1 Output)
    • Dual Push-Pull Amplifier Design with 3-Stage Inverted Darlington Circuitry
    • WRAT (Wide Range Amplifier Technology)
    • Three Advanced TI 32-Bit Processing DSP Chips
    • Audyssey MultEQ® XT to Correct Room Acoustic Problems and
    to Calibrate Speakers
    • Neural-THX Surround Technology for Gaming, Movies and Broadcasting
    • Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Video Out (Composite); Zone 2/Zone 3
    • Pre Outs with Volume, Balance and Bass/Treble (Zone 2 Only) Controls
    • RS232, IR and 12 V Trigger Connectivity
    • Onkyo RIHD for System Control
    • IntelliVolume
    • Pure Audio Mode
    • Bi-Amping and BTL (Bridged Transless) Capability
    • Color-Coded 7.1-Multichannel Inputs and Pre Outs
    • Independent Crossover Adjustment for F/C/S/SB (40/50/60/70/80/90/100/
    120/150/200 Hz)
    • 40 FM/AM Radio Presets with RDS
    • Compatible with RI (Remote Interactive) Dock for the iPod
     
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    It looks like the 875 is also missing the additional 20 watts amp power which looks like its down to the 905 having an additional toroidal transformer, and the Microsoft PlaysForSure Certified for Streaming Windows Media Audio, and the Ethernet Port for Onkyo e-Control System and Internet Radio.
     
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    Thanks inzaman

    I am not sure if I need all that( Microsoft PlaysForSure Certified for Streaming Windows Media Audio, and the Ethernet Port for Onkyo e-Control System and Internet Radio) however I do like having 2 HDMI out.
    As far as watts are concern 200 to 220 watts, will it not damage my speakers? I have MONITOR AUDIO Gold ‘CP’ In-Wall speakers
    Frequency response 55Hz - 30KHz
    Sensitivity ([email protected]) 89dB
    Impedance (nominal) 8 Ohms
    Maximum SPL 106.5 dBA
    Power Handling 120W
     
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    Having 2 HDMI outs is an advantage but HDMI distribution amps can be had for £150 a bit less than £400 price diff.

    Dave
     
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    You have to be careful with Onkyo's power rating as it states 200 to 220 watts one channel driven and at 6ohms which probably puts it down to about 120 watts into 8 ohms with all channels driven (this is a guess on my behalf and not accurately calculated).

    With speakers the more power the better though i believe as i am running my 805Ss rated to 120 watts with a Parasound 2205 power amp which puts out 220 watts at 8 ohms all channels driven :eek:
     
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    I had a listening demo from a local Hifi store where they demoed the Denon 4306 (I hope that qualifies for your GBP 1400 category) against some € 9000 (=GBP 6500?) AV receiver which I had never heard of before (but what do I know anyway?)

    They used a music DVD which music that I normally listen to (a live concert of Genesis). Believe me, that was day and night. I never knew there was such a huge difference in surround processing among (expensive!) receivers.

    It would not at all surprise me if the 905 would sound *considerably* better than the 605. So the answer to the original question would be: If I had the money to burn for an AV recceiver, I might quite likely chose the 905 rather than the 605. (However, as the question is extremely hypothetical, it is quite difficult for me to imagine this situation... ;) )
     
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    if the 905 would sound *considerably* better than the 605. can’t imagine how it would sound against my 3 year old onkyo integra tx-nr900e Now I am really excited
    I will choose the 905 or Denon 4306 or which ever comes first rather than the 875 or 605.

    Thanks guys for your help
    :clap: :thumbsup:
     

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