55SM9800PLA (2019 LG NanoCell TV)

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  1. F172

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    Hi

    If anyone see's a review of this TV please post here :thumbsup:

    Its basically the NanoCell version of the C9 OLED

    Cheers
     
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    I am also interested in this model specifically for gaming. The inclusion of a HDMI 2.1 port makes it more future proof than the other brands. However the FALD back-light from last years model was quite bad based on reviews I've seen.
    Also does anyone know if Nvidia GPU's VRR work with any of these TV's now that Nvidia supports freesync?
     
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    Since Nvidia "certifies" displays that will work themselves, and only a few PC monitors for now, the only way to know would be to try it somewhere.

    BTW, they didn't say anything in this video sadly...
     
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    Yeah I am aware of the of the certified list but it's flawed as numerous people have pointed out that many of the monitors that are not in the "certified" list was just due to the fact that freesync was not enabled out of the box; when actuality VRR works fine on them.
    I was just curious if anyone has tested Nvidia gpu along with any LG TV that has VRR support. I would love to run [email protected] with my 1080ti.

    Also I agree that video has zero information.
     
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    Well the video has proved a point no one has actually done a full review yet which is strange seeing that NanoCell is LG's answer to QLED. The Q90R has been reviewed and basically said its sort of ok so I'm now hoping the same sites review the 55SM9800PLA. I am also want for gaming as well so hopefully there will be info soon.
     
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    I've also seen reviews for the Q90R and the overall consensus is that the black levels are worse than last years Q9FN, but has better viewing angles; which imo seems like a step backwards. Also the 55" Q90R is £2799 while the 55" LG SM9800 is £1699....that is a massive price difference; taking into account the Q90R lacks HDMI 2.1 ports it's less appealing.

    I would be interested in seeing the viewing angle, black level and contrast ratio comparison between the two. I assume the Q90R will still have better blacks due to the use of a VA panel and 400 dimming zones, whereas the LG SM9800 has an IPS panel with FALD (no idea how many zones?).
     
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    My guess is that Samsung is just going to continue bullying with marketing and very high prices since it is working...

    But yes, I'm very interested if there is any change in the Nano cell lineup, except the marketing/naming. Their SK8500 successor really shoud improve on something already, like more than 48 dimming zones.
     
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    The SM9800 is the successor to the SK9500 no? If the SK8500 has only 48 dimming zones then I will assume that the SK9500 has more? With that in mind according to this review (LG SK9500 Review (65SK9500)) the local dimming performance is poor which is a shame. Also the reported contrast ratio is quite low compared to Samsung VA panels.
    However the local dimming algorithm is more important than the amount of dimmable zones, I am hoping that the SM9500 has improved this and can at the very least get around 3000-4000:1 contrast ratio, but with an IPS panel it's unlikely.

    The only reason I am looking into a 49/55" 4K tv is due to the fact that the monitor I originally wanted to get was the AGON AG353UCG; spec wise it has everything I want, but £1999 for a 35" monitor is quite frankly taking the piss; you can get a 55" OLED for that price.
     
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    I never understood that "poor" rating since it means nothing if you don't say specifically. It's not that you don't have a setting for algorithm agressiveness, or that the algorithm has to do quantum calculations for pete's sake...

    I would guess they mean small amount of zones and they can see them easily on an IPS panel - which is obvious. That can only be remedied with a lot more zones and that increases cost. I mean, it's not that a VA panel with same 48 zones is wonderful... And it still bleeds in dark scenes.
     
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    I assume they say rated it "poor" compared to the other panels they have reviewed in its size/class. But they should provide more detail.

    I don't think Sony FALD panels have anywhere near 400 zones but their algorithms are usually rated better than Samsung or LG. But overall I do agree with you.

    This is an example of the SK9500 poor local dimming, if the SM9800 is anything like this I will avoid like the plague:
    LG 55SK9500 Full Array Local Dimming Pro - fail?
     
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    Agreed, LG should really do something about it, like way more zones. It is their "premium" non-OLED line after all.

    BTW, I would guess in that video, local dimming is set to high. On LG I would never go past medium...
     
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    Saw it a while back .... 65SM9800 - very impressed, blindingly bright and appeared to have good black levels considering the SK95 wasn’t that impressive. New WebOs looks tidier, some nice new features, HDMI 2.1 working seamlessly with X1X.

    LG very cagey about zones, refused to say... suggested ‘whatever is in the SM9000, double it’..... I suppose someone could buy one then break it apart and tell us... any takers? :laugh:
     
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    Well that's good to hear. I am hoping there will be an in-depth review of the SM9800 soon. If they are not being transparent about number of zones then it's most likely quite low; that would certainly explain the massive price gap between the SM9800 and Q90R.
     
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    You might be right, maybe a review will shed some light....

    I’m still a cynic over Samsung’s pricing for their QLEDs, I firmly believe they charge OLED prices because they can, not because they need to.

    Case in point, family friend worked for JL last year, they had a weekend where staff got discounted prices on TVs. He asked me as I was considering the Q9 and the C8. RRP for both 55s at the time was £2499. He could get the LG for 1750, which I thought was pretty good but told me the rough cost price of it (which I think we’re seeing now as the prices hold firm above £1500), but the Q9 could be had for £1050. Now, either Samsung were prepared to take a hit just to get the TVs in circulation, but my belief is that they didn’t get to their position of dominance by offering stock without profit... which told me cost price had to be around the £1k mark.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but to the consumer, it left a bad taste in the mouth to hear the prices that could be had.
     
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    Yeah that is pretty insane. I just don't know the manufacturing costs of a 400+ zone panel compared to a 48 zone one. The 35" AOC FALD monitor I mentioned above has a reported 500 zones, which is very high considering it's size but that's coming in at £1999 which is either super inflated or due to the amount of zones? (+has a gsync module which does bump the price up)

    Regardless I won't be dropping £2000 on anything that does not have freesync + HDMI 2.1, Nvidia VRR compatibility and for now [email protected] support. So it's either the 55SM9800 or the 55C9PLA however the current £2499 is out of my budget, hopefully it will drop in price over time.
     
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    Saw it where? Specially when even no un-boxing videos..
     
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    I had a hands on day at LG HQ with all their 2019 product, bar the Z9, R9 and W9.
     
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    So 2 x 96 = 192?
     
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    Here's the first unboxing of the 55SM90 so I assume a review will be out soon. Although this is the model down from the SM98.

    Unboxing The LG 4k NanoCell SM90 Series - 55SM9000


    Looking at the LG website the differences between the two are:
    SM90: Full Array Dimming, PMI: 3800, HDR Dynamic Tone Mapping
    SM98: Full Array Dimming Pro, PMI: 4000, HDR Dynamic Tone Mapping Pro

    Also after some googling I found that Nvidia do not support Gsync/VRR over HDMI, or at least that's the general consensus. Club3d offer a DP1.4 to HDMI 2.0a adaptor however I am unable to confirm if VRR is supported using it.
    If this is the case I'll be forced to get the currently overpriced AOC AG353UCG, which is a shame, but the upside being the 512 dimming zones, VA panel, HDR1000 cert., 144hz and gsync support. Just wish they offered a 43" 16:9 version instead.
     
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    the equivalent of the SM98 European in the United States is the SM95 ! ;)
    "4K LCD
    SM98 (SM95 in the US) (55in, 65in)
    LG 55SM9800PLA (£1900), LG 65SM9800PLA (£2600) / LG 55SM95, LG65SM95"
    LG 2019 TVs: 8K, 4K, OLED, LCD – everything you need to know
     
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    I found this video suggesting that the SM98 will have the same number of dimming zones as the SK9500 e.g 96 dimming zones.
    LG 2019 NANOCELL TV 65SM9800 LOCAL DIMMING...
     
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    Thanks for the reviews so far .. hopefully more to come. :clap:
     
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    This one made me laugh..

    Checking out the NEW 2019 LG NanoCell 4K TV!


    Showed the panel reflection up though.
     
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    That was a funny review but because he said it was 75" I think it must be the sm9000 as I don't think the sm9800 comes in 75" only 65" and 55" according to LG 2019 TV line-up pricing and availability
     
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    Yes, but it was so product placement on a youtube channel.. Why did LG give this TV to him and not better TV reviewing channels first? ... It was a `I say this is good so buy it` video.

    This is the guy from HDTVTest (change the word rain to LG)
     
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    Ya I know it's a 'buy this TV' vid, he even says blacks as good as oleds lol, I just ignore him and look at the TV and it does look good and you don't have to worry about burn in
     
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    LG really has weird marketing, almost non-existent, especially in my country.

    I can't get away from Samsung ads across town, but I see maybe one a year for LG...
     

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