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50 reasons to love the EU

pragmatic

Distinguished Member
I'm no europhobe but some of them seem a bit dodgy.

"3 Once-poor countries, such as Ireland, Greece and Portugal, are prospering" erm ...

"8 Laws that make it easier for British people to buy property in Europe" Really?

"13 Small EU bureaucracy (24,000 employees, fewer than the BBC)" and how much per capita?

"14 Making the French eat British beef again" again, really?

"16 Europe is helping to save the planet with regulatory cuts in CO2" which Britain exceeds by quite a way?

"18 Europe-wide travel bans on tyrants such as Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe" Wasn't he in Eurpoe just the other year?

"22 EU peacekeepers operate in trouble spots throughout the world"
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"24 Introduction of pet passports"

OK I've got to 24 and am thinking its either very poor reporting/fact finding or is a work of satire (although some genuine ones in there I agree with).
 

Dave

Distinguished Member
I'm more in favour of Europe than most and have to agree, with gazbarber.

It's rather optimistic even for a Euro lover.
 

pandemic

Well-known Member
I'm ok with the EU, but it ain't that good.

I'm still annoyed (to put it lightly) at the agricultural policies (CAP), which provide huge subsidies to EU farmers making food not only expensive for us, but deny African farmers their livelihood.
 

guest5234

Active Member
Fraud fraud fraud, all out for themselves ....greedt bar-stewards


EU commisioners have been convicted of Fraud
The EU needs a lot of work to sort its self out but then again so do we, the Americans, the Candians, the Australians basically everyone. As Churchill said "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. "

(Why i put that quote in i have no idea...)
 
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Wild Weasel

Distinguished Member
They can varnish a turd as much as they like, it's still a turd.
 

la gran siete

Distinguished Member
I'm more in favour of Europe than most and have to agree, with gazbarber.

It's rather optimistic even for a Euro lover.

maybe so but it does kind of redress the balance as we are constantly deluged with Europhobic claptrap.We do need to hear loads more positives and of course the massive risks involved should it fail
 

la gran siete

Distinguished Member
I'm ok with the EU, but it ain't that good.

I'm still annoyed (to put it lightly) at the agricultural policies (CAP), which provide huge subsidies to EU farmers making food not only expensive for us, but deny African farmers their livelihood.

well thats because a pillock by the name of Anthony Eden refused to sign us in 1957 when the terms would have been very much more advantageous to us, instead he thought that countries which are thousands of miles away and part of the commonwealth would of sufficed for our trade
 

pandemic

Well-known Member
Doesn't matter who did what, when. The consequences of the CAP morally should have been enough for it's removal years ago. i.e. the EU is immoral.
 

Wild Weasel

Distinguished Member
well thats because a pillock by the name of Anthony Eden refused to sign us in 1957 when the terms would have been very much more advantageous to us, instead he thought that countries which are thousands of miles away and part of the commonwealth would of sufficed for our trade

We've traded with the world for centuries thanks to things called 'ships'. We don't need to be part of this anti-democratic, corrupt, insular 'little-european' suicide pact.
 
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well thats because a pillock by the name of Anthony Eden refused to sign us in 1957 when the terms would have been very much more advantageous to us, instead he thought that countries which are thousands of miles away and part of the commonwealth would of sufficed for our trade

That is twisting the facts in a very subjective way.

In 1957 the French prime minister, Guy Mollet, suggested an economic and political union between France and Britain. The French approach was rejected by the British prime minister Anthony Eden. This all took place shortly after the Suez fiasco.

Anthony Eden had the demeanor of a bumbling upper-crust old-fashioned politician. Behind that facade was a very astute intelligent mind.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
I like number 50 best:

50 Lists like this drive the Eurosceptics mad

:laugh:

Personally I am all for the European Union - I certainly see it is a significant rival to the United States in the years ahead and the Euro currency is a key part of this. But, whilst I am all for the EU and feel we should play an active part in it, I do strongly feel we would be better as an associate member rather than a full member. Our economy is better focused towards the international (including Europe) markets. The recent trade mission to China was a key example - whereas many countries in Europe have much to fear from the Chinese industrial expansion, Britain's industrial base - built now as it is upon bespoke expertise in narrow fields - offers a potentially fruitful partnership.
 

la gran siete

Distinguished Member
We've traded with the world for centuries thanks to things called 'ships'. We don't need to be part of this anti-democratic, corrupt, insular 'little-european' suicide pact.
Why do you think we joined? BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE that if you have some of the richest countries who together form the largest trading block in the world ON YOUR DOORSTEP one trades with them on terms which would be far more beneficial for us if we are in than out.Commonwealth nations are thousands of miles away you need ships ( costs!!!!) Most of those nations are thirld world countries with virtually **** all.Stick with richer nations and you get richer
As for corruption I would wager there is far more corruption in commonwealth nations than EU ones.Tin pot dictatorships and banana republics , remember?

Commnwealth is now just the Queens playground anyway
 

la gran siete

Distinguished Member
That is twisting the facts in a very subjective way.

In 1957 the French prime minister, Guy Mollet, suggested an economic and political union between France and Britain. The French approach was rejected by the British prime minister Anthony Eden. This all took place shortly after the Suez fiasco.

Anthony Eden had the demeanor of a bumbling upper-crust old-fashioned politician. Behind that facade was a very astute intelligent mind.

Well he messed up over suez and i believe he messed up over the EC as well.A political Union as you describe might well have worked to our mutual benefit anyway.I believe Churchill first muted the idea just after the war- a kind of european version of Canada
 
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Rasczak

Distinguished Member
I believe Churchill first muted the idea just after the war- a kind of european version of Canada
Between Europe and the Sea, Britain will always choose the Sea.

Churchill was right then and he is right now. Close trade ties with Europe? Yes absolutely. But we muct always remember that are interests are often more global and less protectist than theirs - ergo we must not constrain ourselves or put our own international trade interests at risk but confining ourselves to a Euro-centric vision.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Why do you think we joined? BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE that if you have some of the richest countries who together form the largest trading block in the world ON YOUR DOORSTEP one trades with them on terms which would be far more beneficial for us if we are in than out.Commonwealth nations are thousands of miles away you need ships ( costs!!!!) Most of those nations are thirld world countries with virtually **** all.Stick with richer nations and you get richer
As for corruption I would wager there is far more corruption in commonwealth nations than EU ones.Tin pot dictatorships and banana republics , remember?

Commnwealth is now just the Queens playground anyway

Can you tell me which EU countries we should be buying our tea, coffee, cocoa, spices and other exotics from? Bananas we can get from Iceland, but I think you have to go outside the EU to get the rest... :)
 

Wild Weasel

Distinguished Member
Why do you think we joined?

We joined because it was a pathological obsession of that arrogant POS, Ted Heath. The public were not consulted of course. Heath was even arguing for European integration while he was at university in the late 1930s and it was the subject of his maiden speech in the House of Commons in 1950. He also led the effort to join under Macmillan in 1961.

BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE that if you have some of the richest countries who together form the largest trading block in the world ON YOUR DOORSTEP one trades with them on terms which would be far more beneficial for us if we are in than out.

The EU isn't a bloody wholesaler you know? We don't get group discount for being a member. We traded quite happily with 'Europe' for thousands of years before 1973.

BTW, one of the many things that Heath gave up* in his desperate effort to join the EEC was our membership of the European Free Trade Association. This we had helped found in 1960.

* Heath would have happily given up English as one of the EEC/EU's official languages too. Luckily (and here's the irony) the Irish weren't quite so pathetic, so English stayed in.


Commonwealth nations are thousands of miles away you need ships ( costs!!!!)

Shipping costs are negligible. It costs more to transport a delivery from your address to Felixstowe or Tilbury than it does to ship it half way round the globe. Why do you keep wittering on about the commonwealth anyway? There's a whole world out there.


Most of those nations are thirld world countries with virtually **** all.Stick with richer nations and you get richer

That's not very Socialist, now is it? :nono:

As for corruption I would wager there is far more corruption in commonwealth nations than EU ones.Tin pot dictatorships and banana republics , remember?

The EU already is a tin-pot wannabe nation led by an unelected President. Fittingly his huge, recently refurbished, art deco office building in Brussels was used as the headquarters of the German Army during WW2.
 

Confucius

Active Member
"1 The end of war between European nations" I think NATO has been as much, if not more help in this regard

"2 Democracy is now flourishing in 27 countries" Again, not sure the EU can claim that as its own. The collapse of the 'Soviet Empire' led to an outbreak of democracy in Eastern Europe.

"3 Once-poor countries, such as Ireland, Greece and Portugal, are prospering" In 2007, the date of the article. Now? Oops.

"4 The creation of the world's largest internal trading market" One can trade without being part of the EU

"5 Unparalleled rights for European consumers" Yeah, I'm going to get on a flight and return my faulty camera, or whatever, that I bought from Munich airport.

"6 Co-operation on continent-wide immigration policy" The rest of Europe doesn't want you, so welcome to the UK. Just super.

"7 Co-operation on crime, ..." This should not be reliant on membership, or the existence, of the EU

"8 Laws that make it easier for British people to buy property in Europe" And no one has ever got ripped off buying there of course.

"9 Cleaner beaches and rivers throughout Europe" This should not be reliant on membership, or the existence, of the EU.

"10 Four weeks statutory paid holiday a year for workers in Europe" Shouldn't that read 'for weeks statutory work for anyone residing in Greece or Spain etc?

"11 No death penalty (it is incompatible with EU membership)" I can think of several groups of people, IRA, AQ, who'd be better off dead.

"12 Competition from privatised companies means cheaper phone calls" And yet my phone bill never seems to actually reduce.

"13 Small EU bureaucracy (24,000 employees, fewer than the BBC)" If there were no EU that would be 24000 jobs not needed at all.

"14 Making the French eat British beef again" I don't think we can force them to eat anything. Just as I don't consume French food, unless I'm travelling there.

"15 Minority languages, such as Irish, Welsh and Catalan recognised and protected" This is good?!

"16 Europe is helping to save the planet with regulatory cuts in CO2" Bull****, on so many levels.

"17 One currency from Bantry to Berlin (but not Britain)" One currency, one right old economic pickle.

"18 Europe-wide travel bans on tyrants such as Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe" Each member state is quite capable of deciding whom they might allow in, or deport.

"19 The EU gives twice as much aid to developing countries as the United States" Yeah, like 800million to poor old India with their space program.

"20 Strict safety standards for cars, buses and aircraft" Has anyone told Airbus?

"21 Free medical help for tourists" I'm quite happy with travel insurance.

"22 EU peacekeepers operate in trouble spots throughout the world" And the UN or NATO?

"23 Europe's single market has brought cheap flights to the masses, and new prosperity for forgotten cities" Kind of contradicts the carbon claim. I prefer the USA anyway.

"24 Introduction of pet passports" Well that's just made my day right there.

"25 It now takes only 2 hrs 35 mins from London to Paris by Eurostar" But why would you want to?

"26 Prospect of EU membership has forced modernisation on Turkey" Do they still want to join though? And why should we welcome them anyway?

"27 Shopping without frontiers gives consumers more power to shape markets" Rubbish, I can buy stuff from anywhwere in the world right now, and I don't need the UK to be a member of a self serving club to do so.

"28 Cheap travel and study programmes means greater mobility for Europe's youth" They should be at home doing chores.

"29 Food labelling is much clearer" Not when its written in foreignese

"30 No tiresome border checks (apart from in the UK)" No, they're keen for all the illegals to pass straight through to Blighty.

"31 Compensation for passengers suffering air delays" Many delays are not the fault of airlines - why should some dumb-ass off to Malaga get compensation due to a thunderstorm. or volcano. Take out travel insurance.

"32 Strict ban on animal testing for the cosmetic industry" EU not required for this.

"33 Greater protection for Europe's wildlife" EU not required for this.

"34 Regional development fund has aided the deprived parts of Britain" Brand new shopping centres and museums for the unemployed to use their gyro cheques in. Fantasyland europe, again.

"35 European driving licences recognised across the EU" More's the pity. Have you seen some of the driving standards out there?

"36 Britons now feel a lot less insular" And less secure. Bring on insularity.

"37 Europe's bananas remain bent, despite sceptics' fears" A banana is a banana, if the EU did nothing they still would be bananas.

"38 Strong economic growth - greater than the United States last year" And this year? And next?

"39 Single market has brought the best continental footballers to Britain" I hate football, but won't this impact our national team?

"40 Human rights legislation has protected the rights of the individual" I see criminals with as many rights than victims right now. Not good.

"41 European Parliament provides democratic checks on all EU laws" So does the House of Lords, in the UK.

"42 EU gives more, not less, sovereignty to nation states" A downright lie.

"43 Maturing EU is a proper counterweight to the power of US and China" Do as Brussels says or the boogeymen will get you? I'll keep Trident for that, and a special relationship with America.

"44 European immigration has boosted the British economy" It's certainly boosted the number of immigrants. Anyhoo, did the immigrants boost the economy, or did the economy boost the migra? I go for the latter; where are the Poles now the economy is down the s***ter?

"45 Europeans are increasingly multilingual - except Britons, who are less so". As long as they speak English this is a good thing.

"46 Europe has set Britain an example how properly to fund a national health service" Pour money in for no benefit. Super.

"47 British restaurants now much more cosmopolitan" Oh, more cosmopolitan, how delightful. I'm sure the self-appointed 'liberal-elite' are chattering with joy whilst our food is smothered in sauce to mask its true taste.

"48 Total mobility for career professionals in Europe" Why should a foreigner doing a job a native can do be a good thing. Want to work in europe? Go there and stay there.

"49 Europe has revolutionised British attitudes to food and cooking" For the worse, I'd say.

"50 Lists like this drive the Eurosceptics mad " No, they make me realise how deeply flawed the whole concept is.
 
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