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50" Plasma PG10 vs PS8000 vs B650 HELP!!!

gambet

Standard Member
Hi, I need some Help.
I'm going completely mad!!!:rotfl:
I want to buy a 50" Plasma. I'm between Pana 50PG10, LG 50PS8000 and Samsung 50B650. I need to buy it this week.
Firstly I was going to buy the Panasonic, but after reading such terrible threads i'm scared of buying it.
I never liked LG, but I read really good threads about it. So i´m thinking on the PS8000
And finally we have the Samsung. It's an option between the other two.
Please can you help me!!!!
As much as I read, I realise that I get more confuse.

P.D: Sorry for my english;);)
 
Hi, I need some Help.
I'm going completely mad!!!:rotfl:
I want to buy a 50" Plasma. I'm between Pana 50PG10, LG 50PS8000 and Samsung 50B650. I need to buy it this week.
Firstly I was going to buy the Panasonic, but after reading such terrible threads i'm scared of buying it.
I never liked LG, but I read really good threads about it. So i´m thinking on the PS8000
And finally we have the Samsung. It's an option between the other two.
Please can you help me!!!!
As much as I read, I realise that I get more confuse.

P.D: Sorry for my english;);)


The panasonic is a tv in a different league. Its blacks are perfect and the colours are natural . I have the TH-42PZ81B and thats a superb T.V which iam so glad i bought
 

boxrick

Well-known Member
The panasonic is a tv in a different league. Its blacks are perfect and the colours are natural . I have the TH-42PZ81B and thats a superb T.V which iam so glad i bought

Not really they are all better for different things.... I have yet to see the samsung b650 plasmaa but if it compares at all to the lower end plasmas it won't be that great.

The g10 has the best blacks of the lot is the best for films.. LG has noticably better sound added features such as usb playback of films and a much nicer menu system. Lg screen also has much better looks and deals with motion better than the panasonics along with overall having better freeview quality.

Past LG screens have had issues with retention which has largely been eliminated from this years models....

So if you want to watch lots of films and have an external AV system along with possibly use of a freesat tuner then the g10 is a good option. If you are watching more normal television and want something with better sound then the LG is a better option.

What is your budget ?
 

Doctor Smith

Well-known Member
LG for sure

LG at the moment is going from strength to strength. You wont find many unhappy LG8000 owners
 

Monarch

Distinguished Member
The G10 isn't necessarily in a different league to the LG, despite the considerable lower price tag the LG does compete with the G10, is the Samsung you mention the plasma version? I'll try and sum up the comparison between the sets to help you out a bit, but I don't know anything about the Samsungs I'm afraid, from reading it does have a good picture, but is very prone to severe image retention, although there's no sign of anything permanent and that could just be a few users bad luck.

P50G10
- Excellent blacks
- Resistant to image retention
- 'Sturdy' design

50PS8000
- THX preset so you get very good 'out of the box' settings, or a good starting point for calibration
- Full calibration controls (leading to more accurate colours which aren't achievable on the G10)
- Better SD (from reading)
- better design

There is also a case for the LG having better motion handling than the Panasonic, but there are too many factors to consider here to really come to a conclusion. As I said, I don't know anything about the Samsungs, apparently they have their pros and cons, I couldn't really justify the high price to be honest.

So, in summary, if you plan to do a lot of gaming or anything that can cause image retention (for at least a few hours at a time) then just rule out the LG and get the G10, however, for watching SD TV the LG appears to have the advantage. If it's a movie TV then you'll benefit from both it's blacks or colour accuracy really. Phil Hinton says in his review of the set that the poorer blacks on the LG compared to the Pioneer 5090 (the top dog!) weren't really noticeable unless a very dark scene came up, the G10 does have technically better black levels though.

I would recommend looking at the reviews of the 50PS8000 and P42G10 on the review section of this forum, then you should get a good idea of which is better for you

EDIT: Wow, 3 posts while I wrote this :rotfl:
 

MurphmanL

Active Member
I whole-heartedly agree with the above !

Cant recommend LG enough.

I have the 50PG7000 from the end of last year and love it to bits.

Sure I am a tad jealous of hte new PS8000 and its new THX preset and additional bits and bobs, but unfortunately I dont have another £1000 to shell out on a tv :-(

My PG7000 handles motion really well and that was my bugbear coming from a samsung lcd. Slight retention of image sometimes but nothing really to worry about , blacks are plenty deep for me.

LG all the way !!
 

Monarch

Distinguished Member
blacks are plenty deep for me.

I don't want this to sound wrong (I have the PG6000 and I'm 'happy' with the blacks for the money) but the black levels on the PG7000 are pretty poor, better than most LCDs but very poor none the less, the PS8000 has much better blacks though
 

gambet

Standard Member
The panasonic is a tv in a different league. Its blacks are perfect and the colours are natural . I have the TH-42PZ81B and thats a superb T.V which iam so glad i bought


As I read, the Panasonic G10 it's not in a different league...Probably the V10 is, but is too expensive.
Here in Spain, the people doesn't really like the G10, I don't know if there are different models around the world..
 
LG for sure

LG at the moment is going from strength to strength. You wont find many unhappy LG8000 owners


LG is a **** T.V Manafacture. If u read the news your will find out that panasonic go from strength to strength. (pioneer are now working with panasonic whitch are the two most respected plasma manafactures in the current market) PANASONIC ALL DAY OVER ANY sh*tY LG CRAP ASK SOMEONE WHO KNOWS BEST AND NOT SOME ASS WHO TALKS CRAP!


Most manufacturers made their minds up pretty early about the various pros and cons of the LCD v plasma technology debate.

Panasonic decided plasma is the way to go for bigger screens (37in and over). This one is from the new Panasonic G10 range, and that means it's got some excellent goodies in among the more workaday specifications like 1080p/24fps, Full HD resolution.

The on-board Freesat HD tuner is probably the most tangible benefit, but who wouldn't also be at least intrigued by a contrast ratio deemed to be 'infinite'? Exactly.

Panasonic's on-screen menus are the usual standard fair – they're not broken so the company has sensibly chosen not to fix them – and the TX-P42G10 can be set up quickly and comprehensively.

Broadcast TV reception is impressive - even the analogue tuner offers natural colours and coherent motion tracking.

Freesat tuner delivers lustrous images
And there's no doubt you'll get bored by the current HD content of the Freesat platform before you get bored of looking at the lustrous, detailed and refined images the Freesat tuner delivers. Oh, for more HD channels.

A switch to DVD movies brings more good news. Even in the blackest of scenes, the Panasonic offers strong levels of detail and exemplary contrasts. Motion is handled tidily, and colours are neutral, subtle and believable.

Up the ante to Blu-ray discs at 1080p/24fps, and the 'G10's command of colour, contrast and detail is even more impressive. Very complex patterns can cause it a moment's anxiety, but it's a very impressive plasma set overall.

The G10 is a relatively bulky 11cm deep, so you might hope it delivers better than the usual 'two-wasps-playing-paper-and-comb' TV sound, and this is the only disappointment.

Otherwise, this TV upholds Panasonic's proud reputation in compelling style.
 
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cheapskate58

Active Member
LG is a **** T.V Manafacture. If u read the news your will find out that panasonic go from strength to strength. (pioneer are now working with panasonic whitch are the two most respected plasma manafactures in the current market) PANASONIC ALL DAY OVER ANY sh*tY LG CRAP ASK SOMEONE WHO KNOWS BEST AND NOT SOME ASS WHO TALKS CRAP!


Most manufacturers made their minds up pretty early about the various pros and cons of the LCD v plasma technology debate.

Panasonic decided plasma is the way to go for bigger screens (37in and over). This one is from the new Panasonic G10 range, and that means it's got some excellent goodies in among the more workaday specifications like 1080p/24fps, Full HD resolution.

The on-board Freesat HD tuner is probably the most tangible benefit, but who wouldn't also be at least intrigued by a contrast ratio deemed to be 'infinite'? Exactly.

Panasonic's on-screen menus are the usual standard fair – they're not broken so the company has sensibly chosen not to fix them – and the TX-P42G10 can be set up quickly and comprehensively.

Broadcast TV reception is impressive - even the analogue tuner offers natural colours and coherent motion tracking.

Freesat tuner delivers lustrous images
And there's no doubt you'll get bored by the current HD content of the Freesat platform before you get bored of looking at the lustrous, detailed and refined images the Freesat tuner delivers. Oh, for more HD channels.

A switch to DVD movies brings more good news. Even in the blackest of scenes, the Panasonic offers strong levels of detail and exemplary contrasts. Motion is handled tidily, and colours are neutral, subtle and believable.

Up the ante to Blu-ray discs at 1080p/24fps, and the 'G10's command of colour, contrast and detail is even more impressive. Very complex patterns can cause it a moment's anxiety, but it's a very impressive plasma set overall.

The G10 is a relatively bulky 11cm deep, so you might hope it delivers better than the usual 'two-wasps-playing-paper-and-comb' TV sound, and this is the only disappointment.

Otherwise, this TV upholds Panasonic's proud reputation in compelling style.

You are just an utter idiot!:eek:

Discuss:D
 

Doctor Smith

Well-known Member
LG is a **** T.V Manafacture. If u read the news your will find out that panasonic go from strength to strength. (pioneer are now working with panasonic whitch are the two most respected plasma manafactures in the current market) PANASONIC ALL DAY OVER ANY sh*tY LG CRAP ASK SOMEONE WHO KNOWS BEST AND NOT SOME ASS WHO TALKS CRAP!


Most manufacturers made their minds up pretty early about the various pros and cons of the LCD v plasma technology debate.

Panasonic decided plasma is the way to go for bigger screens (37in and over). This one is from the new Panasonic G10 range, and that means it's got some excellent goodies in among the more workaday specifications like 1080p/24fps, Full HD resolution.

The on-board Freesat HD tuner is probably the most tangible benefit, but who wouldn't also be at least intrigued by a contrast ratio deemed to be 'infinite'? Exactly.

Panasonic's on-screen menus are the usual standard fair – they're not broken so the company has sensibly chosen not to fix them – and the TX-P42G10 can be set up quickly and comprehensively.

Broadcast TV reception is impressive - even the analogue tuner offers natural colours and coherent motion tracking.

Freesat tuner delivers lustrous images
And there's no doubt you'll get bored by the current HD content of the Freesat platform before you get bored of looking at the lustrous, detailed and refined images the Freesat tuner delivers. Oh, for more HD channels.

A switch to DVD movies brings more good news. Even in the blackest of scenes, the Panasonic offers strong levels of detail and exemplary contrasts. Motion is handled tidily, and colours are neutral, subtle and believable.

Up the ante to Blu-ray discs at 1080p/24fps, and the 'G10's command of colour, contrast and detail is even more impressive. Very complex patterns can cause it a moment's anxiety, but it's a very impressive plasma set overall.

The G10 is a relatively bulky 11cm deep, so you might hope it delivers better than the usual 'two-wasps-playing-paper-and-comb' TV sound, and this is the only disappointment.

Otherwise, this TV upholds Panasonic's proud reputation in compelling style.


I own a Pionner Kuro and even Im impressed with the 8000 I would not even dream of an LG until I was looking for a 60 inch plasma and demo ed the LG at the weekend.

PS are you on drugs
 

cheapskate58

Active Member
I own a Pionner Kuro and even Im impressed with the 8000 I would not even dream of an LG until I was looking for a 60 inch plasma and demo ed the LG at the weekend.

PS are you on drugs

No, but is that an offer?:thumbsup:

Your "Pionner Kuro"...

Is that a Korean "Pionner Kuro", a Chinese "Pionner Kuro" or even a Thai "Pionner Kuro"????

:D

BTW

Drugs - No:hiya:
 

Monarch

Distinguished Member
If u read the news your will find out that panasonic go from strength to strength. (pioneer are now working with panasonic whitch are the two most respected plasma manafactures in the current market)

You will find that LG are making bigger steps than Panasonic, especially in the more 'affordable' market where Panasonic are throwing out decent sets, but not necessarily up to Panasonic standards. Pioneer and Panasonic aren't working together, there are various rumours going around about it and the partnership was almost confirmed, but then Pioneer announced financial difficulties and finally ended TV production after the 2008 Kuro's. There is still possibilities of Pioneer engineers and technology going over to Panasonic, but there is nothing confirmed yet, it does seem likely though.

Panasonic decided plasma is the way to go for bigger screens (37in and over).

meainng? LG released a 32" plasma last year, if that's the kind of thing your after there's not much going for you there unless you're comparing to Sony and other brands who have pulled out of the plasma market.

but who wouldn't also be at least intrigued by a contrast ratio deemed to be 'infinite'? Exactly.

Nice to see another person drawn in by marketing numbers

Panasonic's on-screen menus are the usual standard fair – they're not broken so the company has sensibly chosen not to fix them – and the TX-P42G10 can be set up quickly and comprehensively.

The menus are good and clea, installation is easy, and the picture is good, but there is a deffinite lack of controls to get the most out of the TV.

Broadcast TV reception is impressive

Funny you should say this after directing us to reviews, the G10s SD TV picture has been described as average at best, I think it's underrated, but it's by no means the best

colours are neutral, subtle and believable.

again, lack of controls mean that they're not quite right, the G10 pushed greens and blues specifically, although secondary colours are accurate. The gamma tracking isn't perfect either, images are just slightly washed out.

You seem to be stuck a few years ago (at least). Panasonics high end range cannot be beaten by the LGs, and the G10 isn't necessarily beaten by the PS8000, but the LG plasmas are very good indeed, and very cheap compared to the Panasonics. Can you please enlighten us in why the LGs are so bad? Just to emphasise my point here are some quotes from Phil Hinton's recent review of the 50PS8000, some of them link to a few things you've mentioned about the G10 too.

your average LG display now has some of the most cutting edge technologies employed in well priced displays throughout their range
Unpacking the TV and attaching the stand takes a few minutes and is easy to do.
So, as you can see there are enough connections to keep even the most demanding AV enthusiast happy.
the TV auto tuned all available channels in around 10 minutes
Although the LG doesn’t offer the most designer style menus for the EPG, they are well laid out.
Moving to the main TV menus we are met with LG’s unique menu system display which is large and extremely easy to use.
This is the first time I have ever seen such dedication to users and professionals in menu systems. How many times do we have to keep pushing the other display manufacturers to provide these options? And it can’t be expensive to add if LG are doing the full thing with ISFccc & THX certification at this price level! Come on Panasonic et al….
(he's telling Panasonic to follow LGs example there...)
This is the first time that any manufacturer has attempted to put a useful feature into a TV so you can set up the main controls correctly for your environment and viewing room, without the need for a THX optimode or Digital Video Essentials test disc.
Everything from test cards to white balance patterns (0-100ire) to the basic Picture wizard, tells us that LG take calibration seriously and leave other more premium displays in the shade.
Even with DVD the LG produces fine images that have a nice natural skin tone
we could correctly set up two memories for room conditions, ISF Day and ISF Night. This is where the LG really impressed me with its image quality and excellent colour balance

This is really interesting and goes against everything you seem to think
Running it side by side with our reference Pioneer Kuro was great fun and in most areas the LG could stand up there with the Kuro in terms of colour performance and detail levels once calibrated to the standards. Skin tones and shadow detail looked very convincing with only the slightly reduced dynamic range and black levels pegging back the LG
I'll give you this
In terms of blacks, they are certainly improved slightly on last years PG7000 TV, but not quite up there with the Pioneer and indeed, the latest Panasonic’s are probably a smidge better here as well.
but...
only the really dark and dynamic scenes look a little washed out
looking at this LG, especially with Blu-ray material, the image performance against the cash outlay makes this screen at 50 inches a bit of a bargain in my book. Even when you add in the cost of an ISF calibrator setting it up with optimum care and attention, it is still a bargain!
The feature list and calibration controls offered are certainly amongst the best in the industry and the THX mode is an excellent out of the box picture preset

Sorry for taking up so much space, and sorry for quoting a lot of the review (I did miss a few things out as I good bored of "it's incredibly easy to use" etc...) the full review is here where it also outlines some of its problems (all TVs are with them) - LG 50PS8000 THX Certified 50inch Plasma Review at AVForums.com

sorry, but I'm not taking your LG bashing
 

Ghostrider

Active Member
Personally I went for the 50G10.

I had a look at the LG (and have one of their LCD's) but decided to stick with Panasonic even though I had just had terrible problems with my last Panasonic set. Panasonics excellent customer services is one reason why I stayed with them and also because of their 5yr warranty deal.

I wanted a V10 but didn't want to pay the extra.

LG are improving and have a lot better feature set than the Panasonic but I like the Panasonic picture and feel (either correctly or incorrectly) that as a manufacturer they are above LG in the quality stakes.
 

Monarch

Distinguished Member
that as a manufacturer they are above LG in the quality stakes.

I think that's a bold statement to make, Panasonic plasmas range from the low end X10 to the high end, multi thousand pound professional plasmas. LG specialise in the low to mid range of TVs and I personally think that the further down you go the more the LGs shine over the Panasonics. I'm not denying Panasonics are very good but I wouldn't say that they were better.

This whole thing is too opinionated though, neither is better, both have pros and cons against each other
 

gringolian

Standard Member
Personally I went for the 50G10.

I had a look at the LG (and have one of their LCD's) but decided to stick with Panasonic even though I had just had terrible problems with my last Panasonic set. Panasonics excellent customer services is one reason why I stayed with them and also because of their 5yr warranty deal.

I wanted a V10 but didn't want to pay the extra.

LG are improving and have a lot better feature set than the Panasonic but I like the Panasonic picture and feel (either correctly or incorrectly) that as a manufacturer they are above LG in the quality stakes.

Having been in the same situation as you and looking at pretty much the same TV's (I started a thread yesterday too!) I eventually went with the LG as I was undecided on picture quality etc. So it came down to price and the fact that my wife preferred the look of the LG. So for the same price I would have got the Panasonic G10 for, I got the LG 50PS8000, a Panasonic DMP-BD35 Blu Ray Player and an Alphason Black Glass stand. Bargain!!!
Looking forward to having it delivered tomorrow!!
 

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