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37 & 42" Viera. Why??

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  1. Bonzodogdick

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    Why didnt Pani make the 37 & 42" Viera's HDI compatable like the 50" with a 1024 res?

    I love the looks of the set, but Ive gone for a PHD7 as its ultimately more futureproof (thanks to the ramblings on this magnificent forum).

    But why didnt they make them compatable? :confused:
     
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    With Sky's latest news, whether anything panasonic is futureproof at the moment is debatable.
     
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    They did, just not for the UK/European market :rolleyes: If you buy a Viera from the US or Japan you'll see it'll have an HDMI port and that it is also HDCP compliant.

    Why Panasonic Europe decided to screw consumers here is beyond me :confused: :mad:

    S.
     
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    High resolution is very nice to have, but what is fundamentally more important (for futureproofing) is the presence of a DVI (HDCP) or HDMI interface that supports the proposed HD resolutions at both used refresh rates - 50hz and 60hz. Even on a low res screen, the use of a HD feed is a significant benefit.

    So surely isn't the more important question (for futureproofing) is why doesn't the Viera have a DVI or HDMI input?

    But then you could take a look at the threads about DVI/HDMI support. AFAIK, the PHD7 and PWD7 use the same terminal boards - which currently are not confirmed to support high resolutions at 50hz refresh rate. That would leave you in pretty much the same position as most others around here regarding futureproofing.
     
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    Ok. The HDMI board will have to support 720p@50Hz. Why? Because the HDMI spec says so.
    This is a quote from the HDMI spec pdf file.....

    An HDMI Sink (reciever) that is capable of receiving any of the following video format timings using any
    other component analog or uncompressed digital video input, shall be capable of receiving
    that format across the HDMI interface.
    • 1280x720p @ 59.94/60Hz
    • 1920x1080i @ 59.94/60Hz
    • 1280x720p @ 50Hz
    • 1920x1080i @ 50Hz

    In other words if the panel can except 1280x720p @ 50Hz on the compenent input (which the PW7 can), then it must be able to except the same on the HDMI input.
    If the HDMI board doesn't do this then Panasonic can't call it HDMI.
    Simple.
     
  6. Bonzodogdick

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    I didnt think the PW7 could accept 1280x720. I thought that was the PHD7, which is around a grand more expensive. Can you confirm that? I dont wanna go and pay for something I dont need. :lease:
     
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    This is ok of course as long as they stick to Rev 1.1 of the HDMI spec.
    Not sure about Rev 1.0.
    To be honest I don't see the point of them selling a board that doesn't do 50Hz.
    They would'nt sell any would they!!
     
  8. AndrewTheMuppet

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    Sorry, was typing while you posted.
    The PW7 can accept a wide range or resolutions. It just scales them down if they are too high.
    I'm not sure about this but I think it will accept resolutions over 1600x1200
    I'll have to check that.
     
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    Thanks Andrew. I would appreciate any info before I splash the cash. :smashin:
     
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    Ok it will accept 1920x1080i.
    This will be scaled down to 852x480.
    The PW7 is an enhanced definition display and there will be a vast improvement in the PQ even though it is scaled down.
    I've read several reviews where the PQ of 720p on a Hi Def display was only 10% better than 720p on a 852x480 display.

    They basically said the 10% wasn't worth the extra grand.
    Stick with the PW7.
     
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    ...and get DVI & HDM connections installed ?

    Whos got the best prices on the PW7 then? AV Sales? :beer:
     
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    Av-sales are not currently the cheapest.
    They have a new offer on at the mo of the panel and a free tuner box for 2 grand. This is a good deal coz the tuner boxes are 350 quid but you may not need the tuner box.
    It's possible to get a PW7 for around £1600 but I can't vouch for any of those suppliers.
    You only ever get what you pay for and good service is very important.
    HDMI board not available yet but lets hope when it is it conforms to REV 1.1 HDMI spec coz then it'll have to do 720p@50Hz.
    Stick with RGB or component for the mo and see how it all pans out.
     
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    ...for your advice. I didnt realise how extraordinarily complicated it was starting off in home cinema. I liked the look of the 42" Viera, very nearly stumped for it, checked on here and discovered its not as futureproof as I thought. I just dont wanna be thinking of an upgrade in 2 or 3 years time.

    So summarising. 42" PW7 with DVI board will do as good a job as more expensive PHD7.

    Blimey Charlie. I aint even got a DVD player yet. Denon 2900 for £450 or 2910 for £499.

    Decisions decision :confused:

    Thanks again.
     
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    until Hi-Def comes knocking........................
     
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    AAAAAaaaarrrrrrrghhhhh!!!!!! :suicide:
     
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    Not as good a job, nearly as good a job.
    The increase in PQ does not make the extra grand worthwhile at the moment.
    In about 18 months time the PHD7 or similar Hi Def panel will probably be down to 2 grand anyway.
    Current DVD will look a little better on a PW7 than a PHD7 coz the PHD7 has to scale the image up more to fit the screen. Unless you use an expensive £800+ scaler.
    Since it's gonna take 2-3 years for HI DEF to get established (sky 2006-2007 and HI DEF DVD a long way off), get a PW7 and then in 3-4 years a HI DEF panel will be cheaper than the PW7 is now!!
    Ok... going into teenager mode now.....
    The PW7 is totally lush !!
    :D
     
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    But I assume the PHD7 would give a better signal with DVD via the DVI?

    Also on a slight tangent. The £350 tuner you mentioned. Would that be any better than the Sky box I have?

    Gawd my ears are starting to bleed. Im awake at nights thinking about bloody plasma TV's.

    LUSH. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    the panny tuner is pretty pants and stops you addding DVi boards etc if it is the PT600 tuner ala PW5/PW6 panels it has no DVI input and limited component inpts a pioneer VCXS402 amp has 3 scarts in so is better AV hub than the panny tuner
    AS regards DVD performance get a demo the SD panel 852x480 res scale PAL DVD's 576 lines down to 480 and HD ie PHD6/7 scale the same 576 lines of PAL video up to 768 lines for display...........
    This is a minefield but what ever you buy you will be pleased the PHD's are much better at showing smoke/fog etc without colour banding
     
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    Im not gonna ask anymore Q's cos, the more I find out, the more :confused: I become.

    Last one then.

    I either go for a PHD7 or a PW7. What cards / boards should I get fitted? DVI obviously. Scart? What else, and will I be able to add HDMI myself when available?

    OK. Maybe 3 questions in 1. :laugh:
     
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    what are you connecting? that determines input boards and fitting extras is easier than a PC graphics card or any PC card install.....just need a small screwdriver..
     
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    Cmon HornyDragon, are your phsycic powers below par today? :laugh:

    Sorry I forgot to say. Dennon DVD 2910. Sky box (for tuner) and occasionally the old PS2.
     
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    do you ave an AV amp (if not get one with component switching..........) DVD and PS2 to component into AMP and onto component board in plasma and Sky via JS RGB>VGA into D-sub on plasma and add DVi board for PC if needed.......
     
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    Yes, it would be a rather stupid thing to do to sell a board in Europe that doesn't support high resolutions @ 50hz. It's not like there is any clear reason why supporting 50hz would be a problem.

    But two facts still remain - one, that the DVI board has been tested and does have problems (again no obvious reason why), and the documents that exist for the HDMI board do not list 50hz inputs.

    Now, the HDMI board may very well support 50hz high res - but there is no way to know that currently until it has been tested. Under the circumstances, it would be rather foolhardy to assume that it *must* support because the specs say so.
     
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    If you want to attach a PC, the DVI may be worthwhile. Otherwise, I wouldn't - at least not yet. If you are going to add a HDMI when available, it largely makes the DVI input redundant. Component/SCART boards are generally handy to begin with, depeding on what you are connecting.

    Now, I'm going to get pilloried for this, but, as you state future proofing and not wishing to upgrade in 3 years time are important issues, then you should try and evaluate the LG 42PX12X - same resolution as the PHD7, 'full' set of connections, a DVI-HDCP input that works with all resolutions / rates and all components tested so far, and can be sourced cheaper than either Panasonic option. Until the HDMI/DVI mess gets cleared up, it's one of the very few 42" plasmas that has a genuine claim for being 'future proof'.
     
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    Costs aside, do you guys really reckon that the lower res of the PW7 would be more advantageous than the higher res of the PHD7 (at this moment in time)?

    My main desire and motivation is the enjoyment of films via the DVD and Sky with the family. The missus would be watching daytime TV the rest of the time with the usual 7-8pm soaps.

    So much for 'no more questions' eh?
     
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    get a PW7 now and if you want HD wait for 2-3 years.......
    OR get a 37" LCD with DVi/HDMI Sharp titanium etc but spending alot more money...
     

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