Question 2nd car for wife - Nissan leaf?

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  1. itn

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    Hi,

    I own a 5 series 520d already. we do approximately 120 miles a week, of which 95% are small local trips.

    I`m looking for a 2nd car for the wife to drive to work, and local trips, will be doing 50 miles a week.

    I`ve considered Yaris, Micra, but come across the Nissan leaf.

    I`ve seen these going for £6.5k to £7.5k for 2013 at the Nissan deals across the country, but charge a lease for the battery?

    is it worth me considering these, or should I stick to a small Micra, Yaris etc.

    Kind Regards

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    If you look for the non Flex models I think on with the Leaf and they will include the battery so no need to hire one. Secondhand Leafs can be bought for some very low money given the spec and original price. My wife has had a Leaf for the last 2 years (about to go back since we leased it) and as a second car it has been brilliant. She travels 40 miles a day to work (20 miles each way) and it has been great. It is also great for the small little trips since the car is instantly warm inside etc. and cheap to run as well.
    I think they are well worth considering (the drive is so nice as well and much smoother/quieter than the small city cars for the same money). Go have a test drive and see what you think.
     
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    50 miles a week? Wow, I do an average of 80 miles a day in my LEAF. Wholeheartedly recommend them. Buy from a Nissan dealer, and get a free home charger included, as well as 2yrs free servicing and low rate finance. Avoid flex (battery rental) versions, as it costs more in long run.
     
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    I didn't realised you can buy used version which is non flex?

    ill have to look into it more.

    thanks
     
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    Our car has no battery rental so when that is sold 2nd hand it should be free of the rental cost.
     
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    If the battery rental is still up at £80 a month that's a lot of litres of fossil fuel you could buy instead. What were you being quoted for the battery?
     
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    I didn't really ask if you could buy a used leaf with the battery?
     
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    Flex can work though, especially if you are not keeping the car a long time.

    On Autotrader you can pick up 2014 Leaf Tekna on flex for around £7.5K. To own the battery, you're looking at around £9.5K.

    £2k difference which is 25 months of motoring at £80/month battery rental and not having to give the slightest concern to the battery.

    So if you are likely to change the car within 2 years surely it makes more sense to go flex.

    Not only that, a 2014 car in 2 years is 5 years old and owning the battery means you are likely to take a hit when selling it due to any buyer anxiety over battery age at that time especially with the new Leaf released next year and ever improving battery tech.

    So I would suggest not to rule out flex just because of the monthly cost.

    I might have bought a Leaf on flex with the intention of changing within 2 years, except the Mrs hates the look of them so it was ruled out.
     
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    £80 a month is the equivalent of approx £70 litres of petrol, that's 460 miles at 30mpg, more than twice his wife's estimated mileage. So unless they really want an EV, it's not a particularly economical way of driving, if you are renting/leasing the battery.
    It's hard to tell, but is the purchase price of a Leaf including it's battery that much more than one with a lease?
     
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    I just picked the cheapest flex and cheapest owned Leaf Tekna's I could find on autotrader.

    I don't think you can justify flex against an ICE in terms of fuel costs when the mileage is low, but you can if you know you want a Leaf and might not keep it more than 2 years.
     
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    hey,

    just been offered this deal from one of the dealers:

    This Ex Flex LEAF Acenta has just had the battery bought and we are offering it at the bargain price of £8555.50. On top of this RCI are giving a £1000 FDA on the car bringing the price down to £7555.50! The LEAF is a white 63 plate and has done 24,745 miles. (These figures are based on 6k PA)

    0% HP, £4k deposit, £98.76 X 36.

    With both these cars you get a free 16A PodPoint home charger (upgradeable to 32A for £95, subject to survey), and the balance of manufacturer's warranty, as well as 12 months Cared4 warranty on top. If you purchase on the PCP finance, you also get 2 years servicing included.
     
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    Even I'd be tempted by that kind of deal!

    Our main family car is a people carrier. Currently have a Kia Ceed as the second car, doing about 8k miles per year - the longest journey driven in this car is a 95 mile round trip but that's not often. 6 mile round trip to the station is most common.

    Should I have range anxiety over 95 miles?

    What about battery deterioration? If I got a leaf it would be meant as a very long term runaround.
     
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    It depends on the battery, with our 24KWh Leaf we seem to have a typical range of 87-93 miles, but that's driving it reasonably normally with AirCon on.
     
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    Hey guys, my heads been turned on the deal that's been offered. I've been informed car has warranty till sept 2018.

    Is there any specific questions I can ask the dealers re the battery specific to the car?

    Issue I have is car is based in Chorley and I live in Leicester, so can't pop in to view the car etc

    Mo
     
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    2nd car for wife?

    Sounds like a fair swap...
     
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    Good grief. What speed do you drive? I average about 70-75 in good weather, although I have a lead foot.



    Make sure you have confirmation that the battery has been bought out, although I assume you have it in writing/email already.

    I would check if the car has the 6.6kw on board charger. It will make a difference to your speed of home charging. If it does, it's worth paying the extra £95 for the 32A home charger as you can charge in half the time. Handy if your wife comes home and then you want to head out again because trust me, you will often use the Leaf when you have the choice of either car. So nice to drive!
     
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    the car offered to me does not have the 6.6 kw charger, there is another car available with 10k less miles, but priced £1500 more, or £30 a month more.
     
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    The benefits of the 6.6 charger depends on your usage to be honest. If you have a second car then it's not a big deal.

    Our 24kWh Leaf is our only car so I insisted on the 6.6 charger when I was searching for a car.
     
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    We've been driving it fairly conservatively, but yes, Mrs IG possibly has a more delicate foot than you :) Not many chances to welly it around the Ring Road much of which has a 50mph limit :laugh:
     
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    :D

    Even with speed limits and a light foot, a 93 mile range is huge!
     
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    If there is a charger on route or you can charge the car for a bit at your destination then a 95 mile round trip should be OK. My wife has done over 100 miles in a day but was going to Cardiff so was able to put it on charge for a bit at IKEA to top it up.
     
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    ive been sent a picture of the display on the dash, anything useful here to see.
     

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    Not overly. It confirms the mileage and suggests that you would get 41 miles with 45% left on the battery but the mileage estimator is dreadful. It's referred to as the GOM by Leaf owners, (Guess-O-Meter).Just

    It does confirm that the battery still shows 12 bars, although with only 25k miles on the clock there would be something badly wrong if it didn't.

    What age is the car?
     
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    You can get a look at the battery stats via an app called Leaf Spy by using an OBD dongle but I doubt the garage would be capable of or interested in checking.

    Given that you aren't local it's not much help.
     
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    its a 63 plate 2013.
     
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    Sorry I'm Irish, what does a 63 plate mean.

    Second half of the year?

    The Leaf had a few modifications during late 2013 which means getting a later one is significant. The newer model has a better heat system and a longer lasting battery.

    Have you any pictures of the interior? There are a few things that can tell which model it is.

    Ps, when I say I'm Irish, that means we have a different plate system here, not just that I'm thick!
     
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    dealer has advised it is a revision 2 model, and the later heat pump if that helps.
     
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    Yeah that helps.

    However I would still make sure going by the interior pictures.

    Dealers are not known for knowing their arse from their elbow with regards to EVs.
     
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    this any good?
     

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    Yeah, perfect.

    You have a Eco button on the steering wheel, and the "handbrake" is on the floor.

    The older model didn't have the eco button and the handbrake was a button on the centre console beside the gear selection.
     

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