$299 Blu-ray Drive ships in June in the US

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  1. peterweg

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    http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/05/04/cheap_bluray_drive_from_pionee.html
     
  2. peterweg

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    http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/08/pioneer_pitches_read_only_bd_drive/

    £170 inc taxes, in June for the UK.


     
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    I'll buy that for a dollar... well 299 of them. :thumbsup:
     
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    This makes the disparity in cost, with a standalone, rather disconcerting.
     
  5. peterweg

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    What do you mean?
     
  6. Nic Rhodes

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    I would think he means that if the BD drive is only £50 more than the HD DVD drive (that on the HD DVD one that you want to throw all the 'other' bits away from) then why is has the cheapest BD stand alone player got a rrp of £1000 at many sites when the HD DVD stand alone is now £350???? Or if you want to use 'accurate' prices as posted in the war thread and elsewhere why was there a such a huge discrepency between the cheapest HD DVD standalone and cheapest BD standalone, as you have told us more than once the components cost the same (not sure that those of us who build imaging systems for a living agree ;) but that is another debate). From Ebay the other day.

    Toshiba HD A2 (new model)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TOSHIBA-HD-...6QQihZ008QQcategoryZ15077QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    $310 (£155)

    Samsung BD 1200 (new model)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/BD-P1200-SAMSUN...8QQihZ015QQcategoryZ15077QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    $649 (£325)

    Free free to update the links above or if you want to compare UK prices, feel free to substitute UK 'rrp' or from another supplier that sells both. Not that this product has even shipped yet!
     
  7. peterweg

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    Its called profit. I guess that BD manufacturers don't feel the need to sell cheaper, where as Toshiba do.

    Another explanation is that this drive , as pointed out yourself, is not available yet. Prices have fallen and new standalones will be released that will be much cheaper in the near future.

    The chipset manufacturer's analyst quoted a price of $250-350 by Christmas for standalones, so prices are about to plummet.

    BTW, the chipsets for Blu-ray and HD_DVD are essentially the same, even got the same part numbers.
     
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    Its called ripping the consumer off as clearly the BD player is way overpriced.:mad:
     
  9. Nic Rhodes

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    Thank you for the heads up on that one :rolleyes: but as your recent posts have indicated all chipsets with '1232' chips are not the same as '1232' chips with revision C features, in fact the difference is key to how they perform. So they are NOT essentially the same, there are huge differences.
     
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    Aren't people forgetting that the switchover cost from producing SD DVD's to HD DVD's is relatively minimal, whereas for SD DVD's to Blu-Ray it is much higher. Somewhere, that money has to be clawed back.

    Rather than moan about the initial BD hardware cost, why not be thankful that there is a second format dragging Sony into the real world and forcing them to drop their prices for you, the consumer.

    You'd need to be a hermit not to know that new technology is set at a higher price before the manufacturers work out where they can cut corners and lower the cost.

    But then that brings me to another point i've made over and over again about electronics in general. The first 10/20% reductions of new technology are down to minimising manufacturing costs. Most large reductions after that are normally due to higher volume production, which involves making things far cheaper using cheaper parts and lower quality components. Sony's entry level CDP-101 CD player may have cost £600 when it hit stores in 1982, but compare that to an entry level Sony player from the entry level CDPX-E range, and the difference in build quality and reliability will be huge. A friend of mine still has a 101, it weighs a tonne and it's working perfectly. The CDPX-E ranges casework can be twisted by hand and will probably last no more than 5 years.

    So rather than moan 'oh, were were being ripped off' (which technically is wrong as most people doing the moaning probably haven't purchased a Blu-Ray product), why not rejoice and thank whoever your God is that HD replay is coming down to budget prices within the grasp of everyone, unlike formats like Laserdisc.
     
  11. alpha10

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    If these little beauties are going to be available in June, does anyone know any UK retailers who are taking pre-orders??

    Cheers
     
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    Whats the difference in price, thats what are talking here.
     
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    Welcome to capitalism - you charge the customer just a little more than they want to pay and then gradually reduce the price until more and more people bite.

    Eventually even the peasants can afford it. Its a deal that has served us well, look at the consumer electronics you have around you and how much they would have cost when first launched.
    If you can't afford it now, get a loan or wait.
     
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    if this little baby has got 5.1 outputs i'll be getting a US one in July when I'm over there
     
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    Hi mate, I'm afraid it is just a PC drive.

    Cheers
     
  16. Nic Rhodes

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    What has that got to do with it? You said they were the same. They are not. What price they are is for another thread. Ask Sigma or Broadcom and get a price (and when they are available :rolleyes: ) if you are interested.
     
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    I can see me getting one of these once the price has dropped to £150 or, if that happens sooner rather than later, I may just wait till the autumn and get one for £100. Good news though.

    :)
     
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    No, this thread is discussing the price difference between HD-DVD and Blu-ray players. As I said the difference in price is nothing to do with the cost differential of building the players (except the drives) as the chipsets are fundamentally identical in cost. The same chipsets can be used in both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, the price difference between the different revisions is minor.
     
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    I'm seriously tempted to get one when I'm in the US next month - its just the other £3 - 400 I'll have to spend to upgrade the PC that I'm worried about!!
     
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    Does anybody know where we can pre order one of these in the uk?.
     
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    Just to expand a little on this thread, I read that some blu-ray discs appear to not be region coded, does anyone have an opinion on whether that means that those will be useable on this drive without PowerDVD trying to swap regions?

    Cheers
     
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    PowerDVD won't swap regions unless you tell it to. Region free BD's play just fine.
     
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    Many thanks for this info.

    I've pre-ordered my drive now, better get ordering some films......

    Cheers
     
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    Thank you! pre ordered now.:)
     
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    There seems to be some confusion whether this is actually a SATA or EIDE connection. As an OEM drive I was assuming that thee would be no cables so thought I would order one, so now don't know what to order??

    Any ideas?
     
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    Are there any other shops that have this on pre-order besides overclockers ??

    Thanx :smashin:
     
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    anyone know where I could pick this up in the US next month? Any retailers I can go into and buy off the shelf if the price is right!
     
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