Question 2017 new models release date and prices?

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  1. SimonHavfc

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    As the title states maybe we could collectively add info and rumours etc on the new models for 2017 in terms of release dates and prices.
    I would like this to cover all brands and I think the odd piece of info on the new UHD Blu Ray players would be good too.
     
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    I don't think much will be different from last year when it comes to prices and ranges. Perhaps TVs released will be a little more expensive due to brexit but the pattern is probably going to be the same.

    eg LG e6 start price similar to E7
    Sony XE93 start price similar to XD93

    Most models appear between March and summer.

    With Sony and LG (Sony ZD9 aside)Usually high end models are released first and then later in the year (as late as September) more budget oriented models are released.

    With Samsung and LG you usually see the SUHD LCD models first but they do tend to release there lines closer together.

    With Panasonic all the TVs usually come out in spring close together but usually the high end ones first.

    TV's I'm not sure about will be the Sony and Panasonic OLEDs. I'm guessing they will come later in the year.

    Philips I really hope make amends this year but historically in the UK at least there supply chains have been awful.

    Hisense will probably take a little longer to release there models with the high end ones usually released last.

    Flatpanelshd.com always do nice overview articles for each manufacturer and they ask the usual questions and usually receive good info (apart from with Sony who always seem to be very secretive).
     
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    Any further news or info?

    I am interested to see the Sony OLED and the Sony XE93 as well as the new LG OLEDs.
    Do we think March/April for release of the above?
     
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    Sony OLEDs are likely to be in September and I expect LG might do much the same as last year and leave the budget B And C until September also. Neither have confirmed release dates though so I could be wrong.

    XE93 will likely be out spring time I think.
     
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    will we see reviews of the new models before they appear on sale, if not how quickly do they tend to appear?

    Cheers
     
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    It depends how fast companies get out review samples. Some manufacturers are better than others and some withhold/push certain TV's.

    I think last year we were still waiting in the summer for reviews for the spring released tv's and for those released in September reviews were out a little faster but it was still a matter of waiting a month or two post release.

    It seems there's never a good time to buy a TV, there's always something to wait for.
     
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    Never a truer word spoken on this forum!
     
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    I am waiting to see if we will get a 55"+ that has HDR10 standard, 1000 nits, local dimming and ideally full array backlight for under £1K. May be asking too much with the latter, but if it ticks the first 3 boxes then that's a plus. Only the Samsung 55KS7000 offers this currently, if you can find it on offer, but isn't without issues (dodgy back panel, bad motion judder on some models). If this doesn't happen, then it will be most disappointing. Is anyone aware of an upcoming model that might fit this description and be under four figures?
     
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    Not really, certainly not to begin with. Cheapest FALD in 2016 was the Panasonic DX-902 and OLEDs have fallen close that price so probably next year you will more likely find the OLEDs W7, W6 etc come close to 1500 and you may find a successor to the DX-902 come near to where it is now. I would keep an eye out when all the new TVs are released, you might be able to find a good deal on the DX-902 or one of the 2016 OLEDs even.
     
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    Yeah I don't expect OLED to become anywhere near the £1K mark yet, but regular LED I'd hope was more likely with those specs... surely not TOO much to ask? The Samsung 55KS7000 has widely been on offer for £900 after all.
     
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    I think it's more of a worry that no manufacturers have actually released details about FALD LCDs, they seem to be focusing on edge lit models. In CES for example Samsung said their flagship model would be edge lit.

    I think about the only FALD TV I've seen mentioned is the Sony XD94 and that will be a 75" model.

    I don't think Panasonic have mentioned a FALD replacement for the DX-902 yet and maybe they won't release one with them adopting their flagship OLED.

    It's anyone's guess though, at least until we see line ups released, hopefully soon.
     
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    Isn't that because the premium market is very much focused on OLED at the moment? Panasonic and Sony for that matter made a big showcased pf their OLED TVs for 2017.

    Edge lit LCD's are cheaper to produce by a long shot. My educated guess is that most of Samsung's, Panasonic's and Sony's TV profits come from sub £600 retail LCD tvs. The end of the market where it's all about total unit sales, not awards.

    FALD LCDs on the other hand are more expensive to produce, too expensive perhaps to compete with OLED on the AV specialists shop floor. It seems to me that most manufacturers know that the TV market is highly price sensitive, and FALD Tvs aren't being produced because the production costs vs unit sales makes them unprofitable. Also doesn't FALD make LCD TVs thicker in dimensions, the 'thing' is for slim TVs, razor thin. I think we do tend to forget here, that a fair part of the high end TV market is interior design based, a market that manufacturers have to consider on their expensive sets.

    Panasonic famous for their plasmas (RIP) are probably going down the OLED route for their premium range. Makes sense from a company POV, their reputation amongst former and, current plasma owners means they need to rise above the LCD tech to re-claim their crown and, customers as it were. Too many of us Panny plasma owners/lovers are jumping ship to LG 'cos of like, OLED bruv...;).

    I know here on the OLED and plasma forums, there are plenty of posters waiting for a Panny OLED. I for one, would have happily considered doubling my TV budget and gone down the UHD route if Panasonic had a 55" OLED on the market last year, rather than buying the LG 910v.
     
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    I had a conversation with a guy in Richer Sounds today as I want to replace my plasma, but want to wait for the right time to -hopefully- pick up a 65" OLED (2016 model) at a good price following the release of new models.

    The Richer Sounds guy explained that they had seen some price INCREASES on current models due to currency fluctuations. From my experience in wholesale, the brand raising their prices is profiteering if they are raising prices on already built and in the country models. They should only be raising prices on newly built TV's that would be affected by the necessary materials costing more to purchase and have not yet been shipped to the UK

    Any thoughts??

    PS, Many thanks to Dodge Alexander for all of your input on this forum, you've been a great help to me in narrowing down my choice of TV's, thank you
     
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    Yeah that's dodgy as fudge if they already have the models in country and paid for, but obviously if they haven't then it's standard business practice and perfectly legit (albeit annoying). I doubt you'll be able to find out the truth on that one though, unfortunately!
     
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    We are just over month further on from the last post in this thread and I was wondering if anyone had any further news on the release dates for -in particular the LG's- 2017 OLED models??
     
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    I have not seen any info for UK/EU yet. I think I read somewhere that a few US model prices had been announced, but not sure about that.
     
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    The main thing I would be interested in looking out for in reviews would be the adoption of frame insertion into the new OLEDs.

    Up until the new Philips 901F OLED (2016 panel mind) this is the main area where OLEDs fell short compared to Plasma, or even LCDs for that matter.

    Plasma TVs can draw 1080 lines of motion without needing any motion enhancement settings turned on. Even today this means Plasma TVs are still the choice for those watching sports.

    Certain LCDs have matched this, not natively, but by adopting tech where the the back-light flickers very fast and plain colour frames are inserted (mostly black, red for Panasonic) and these frame trick the eye into motion appearing more fluid. Until last year reviewers mentioned the flicker caused by this was distracting and darkened the image too much. On some LCDs tv's on the max setting it still does have this problem, but on the Panasonic DX-750 and higher or the Samsung KS series TVs the flicker has been reduced significantly.

    This is important to motion for both LCDs and OLEDs because both technologies unlike Plasma can only draw a native 300 lines vs 1080. So they need this tech to reach similar motion clarity.

    Before frame insertion the only way TVs could do this was with frame interpolation (pretty much any TV has this) but the problem with this feature is it introduces "made up" frames where the TV calculates the inserted frame rather than just inserting a blank one. This gives the impression of soap opera effect (SOE) where the motion appears unnaturally fluid, because it also creates the frames rather than just inserts blank ones it also results in motion artifacts.

    So right now, I am hoping the 2017 OLEDs follow Philips and introduce frame insertion. Hopefully the implementation of it will be as good as the Philips 901F with an improved 2017 panel.

    We already know the the 2017 OLEDs from LG are going to have a better peak brightness, better colour coverage and less input lag, so this will be the icing on the cake.

    Right now:

    LG OLEDs have 300 lines of motion natively but have only interpolation (SOE) to increase this to 600. This is probably why you hear some people complain about jerky motion on the forums.

    LCDs have 300 lines of motion natively too but some do better than others trying to reach 1080. Samsung, Philips and Panasonic do it best on their higher end TVs with 120hz panels because they have good frame insertion. They can reach the 1080 without having SOE caused by interpolation. Sony/Hisense/LG get part way there. Some would argue that Sonys interpolation is so good that it doesn't matter if its applied to reach 1080 lines of motion, even if there frame insertion does cause a darker/flickery image vs others and even though the frame interpolation makes for SOE. LGs 120hz LCDs are kind of the same except they do not quite reach 1080 lines, reaching the 900 mark but also having to use some interpolation (SOE). Its the same story for Hisense, but i'm not sure if they have frame insertion at all yet.
     
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    Brilliant explanation Dodge, that's really helped me with my understanding.

    In the past I have bought later versions of TV's and never the newest and at the 'Bleeding Edge' of what is being produced. But, this time, I would really like to push my own boundaries and treat myself to something that is going to be very special. My Pioneer has been great, but, 9 years on, I would like a change . However, i don't want to compromise on the motion part of my TV as I do enjoy watching sport (when i can get those kids off of the XBox or Nickleodeon GRRRRR! )

    I was very tempted by the 65 E6, but I will now wait and possibly buy the E7.

    Looking forward to seeing the new specifications and then the reviews by people far more switched on than me.
     
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    I would keep eye on the price of the Philips 901F too, it may be a 2016 panel but it does motion well vs any other OLED right now and possibly will come down in price when the 2017 models are released. Its weakest point is HDR though, which is likely to be a lot better on the 2017 models.

    Edit# never mind just realised after posting you're looking at 65"
     
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    Its worth mentioning that this years newly released OLEDs are not going to be close in price to last years on release. So although its a good idea to wait for the new tech, it will also cost significantly more on release. Especially so with 65". In fact the best time to buy is to buy a year behind. So to buy a 2016 TV when hopefully the prices go down as the 2017 range are released.
     
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    Does anyone know what Philips will have to offer in 2017? A full announcement at CES covered the US market but not EU/UK

    For ages I was set on Samsung 49/55 KS7000

    Then I found ambilight and knowing my viewing habits and the way I'm currently decorating I think a Philips is what I want

    Problem is none of their current range comes close to the value for money of the KS7000, the couple of really good performers 8601 and 7601 are either too big 65" or too expensive, not to mention impossible to source in the UK

    Here's hoping they make a KS7000 clone with ambilight, for under £1000... That's all I ask :(
     
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    Just been into RS Guildford to try and test them on any of the New set release date and no information I'm afraid. The guy was saying that they had o dates, prices or spec info as yet. Had a good look at an LG 555 E6 whilst there, looked really nice. Will have to demo the 65 E6 soon
     
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    No idea about Philips but I wouldn't wait on them, the UK was waiting for the 7601 for ages and ages and its still hard to find now.
     

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