2015 Panasonic CX802 (TX-xxCX802B) Owners Thread Part 2

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    1. Mar 9, 2017 at 8:47 PM
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      Seriously, you'll get best pq from the professional settings as a base and then pick up some tips on alterations from members here. All the image processing gash does no good in my eyes.
       
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      I thought that the regular THX Cinema was also a good starting point, or is Professional 1 on default settings better? It mainly looked a lot darker to me.
       
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      THX cinema is good out of the box, sure, but the professional channels turn off all the processing so that's where almost everybody who's fine tuning their image starts.

      I found this was a good start (unsure if its for 50 or 55, but it helped) and I've since picked up a number of hints and tips from this thread regards gamma and brightness.

      In the end I bought an Spears and Munsill calibration Blu Ray, and my settings were pretty much spot on anyway (£30 well spent!!).
       
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    4. Mar 10, 2017 at 9:48 PM
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      Yes. Without doubt, the issues you're seeing are due to the source.

      Paul
       
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      A tad frustrating then Paul that Panny build a tv that can't cope with probably the most used sources?! :(
       
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      Would you be as kind to share your calibrated settings please?
       
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      Go on his info page and they're are on his signature
       
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      there's no HDR settings on there unless im mistaken?
       
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      It's not a fault of the Panasonic, any TV would have the same issue. The old adage sh!t in, sh*t out is most apt in this instance.

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      I've been meaning to post these for some time.I'll add all the settings to one post then link it in my signature as you can only include 2 links there.

      1080i50 sources, which will be OK for Blu-ray too.

      Professional 1
      Backlight: 31
      Contrast: 91
      Brightness: +2
      Colour: 50
      Tint: 0
      Sharpness: 50
      Colour Temperature: Warm 2
      Everything Off.
      Colour Gamut: Rec. 709
      White Balance:
      R Gain: +9
      G Gain: 0
      B Gain: +3
      R Cutoff: -2
      G Cutoff: 0
      B Cutoff: -2
      More Detailed:
      10 IRE:
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      0
      -7
      20 IRE:
      +1
      0
      +1
      30 IRE:
      0
      0
      0
      40 IRE:
      +2
      0
      -2
      50 IRE:
      -2
      0
      -2
      60 IRE:
      +1
      0
      -3
      70 IRE:
      +5
      0
      -2
      80 IRE:
      0
      0
      0
      90 IRE:
      +2
      0
      +2
      100 IRE:
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      Colour Management:
      R Hue: 0
      R Sat: +9
      R Lum: 0
      G Hue: -3
      G Sat: +5
      G Lum: 0
      B Hue: -2
      B Sat: 0
      B Lum: 0
      More Detailed Adjustments:
      All 0
      Gamma:
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      More Detailed Adjustment:
      10 IRE: -21
      20 IRE: -13
      30 IRE: -13
      40 IRE: -12
      50 IRE: -8
      60 IRE: -3
      70 IRE: -2
      80 IRE: -4
      90 IRE: -6
      100 IRE: 0

      Any other picture 'enhancement' setting: Off

      2160p UHD with HDR and WCG @ 10 bit.

      Professional 1
      Backlight: 100
      Contrast: 94
      Brightness: +3
      Colour: 50
      Tint: 0
      Sharpness: 55
      Colour Temperature: Warm 2
      Rec.2020 Colour Remaster: Max
      Everything Else Off.
      White Balance:
      R Gain: +9
      G Gain: 0
      B Gain: +5
      R Cutoff: -6
      G Cutoff: 0
      B Cutoff: -2
      More Detailed:
      10 IRE:
      0
      0
      -21
      20 IRE:
      0
      0
      +2
      30 IRE:
      -3
      0
      -6
      40 IRE:
      0
      0
      0
      50 IRE:
      +2
      0
      -5
      60 IRE:
      0
      0
      0
      70 IRE:
      0
      0
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      80 IRE:
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      90 IRE:
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      100 IRE:
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      Colour Management:
      R Hue: -5
      R Sat: -29
      R Lum: -6
      G Hue: +2
      G Sat: +18
      G Lum: +5
      B Hue: -20
      B Sat: +6
      B Lum: +4
      More Detailed Adjustments:
      C-Hue: 0
      C-Saturation: -9
      C-Luminance: -4
      M-Hue: -2
      M-Saturation: -3
      M-Luminance: -6
      Y-Hue: 0
      Y-Saturation: +5
      Y-Luminance: +8
      Gamma:
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      More Detailed Adjustment:
      10 IRE: -14
      20 IRE: 0
      30 IRE: 0
      40 IRE: 0
      50 IRE: 0
      60 IRE: 0
      70 IRE: 0
      80 IRE: 0
      90 IRE: 0
      100 IRE: 0

      Any other picture 'enhancement' setting: Off

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    11. Mar 11, 2017 at 11:43 PM
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      awesome ill try this out. does it look much better than the default settings on true cinema?
       
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    12. Mar 12, 2017 at 12:07 AM
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      Yes. The default settings for HDR are a lot further off than they are for Rec.709 SDR content.

      I'm watching Planet Earth 2 on UHD BD now and it looks STUNNING. I've just found my new reference discs!

      Paul
       
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    13. Mar 12, 2017 at 7:53 AM
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      Excellent, thanks for taking the time to post these Paul. I'll have a check of these later, but I'm pretty sure I'm about as good as it gets already... bloody OCD.

      Obviously everybody knows these are just a guide, and everybody's panels are different, hence tool assisted pro cal will always win...
       
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    14. Mar 12, 2017 at 7:55 AM
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      Nice to know they're about. I bet they look outrageous :)
       
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      Is BBC1 HD really classed as 'sh!t in' though?!! I would guess for 80 to 90% of the public, freeview HD is their primary source.

      I don't quite understand why dark scenes are such an issue on this tv when I noticed no problem with my previous old Panny
      http://www.*/Panasonic-TX37LZD85/
       
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    16. Mar 12, 2017 at 3:16 PM
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      Hi all

      I put a Bluray movie in the Xbox One and all I could see was the selection box and a black background screen. I change one of the settings within the TV settings from HDCPC settings fromn from 2.2 to 1.4 with no luck:thumbsdow. I then changed the UHMI cable from a 2.0 to a 1.4 and walla...I get an image. Anybody else had this issue and if so what did you do to fix it?

      Ta

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    17. Mar 12, 2017 at 3:38 PM
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      You got a few things wrong there. You need HDCP 2.2 (usually works on auto) for 4K, specially 60hz gaming. You also don't want a 1.4 HDMI cable they are for normal HD but can pass through 30hz or lower 4K or maybe your getting 1080p. Try auto/HDCP 2.2 and use the HDMI cable that came with the Xbox One (it comes with one right?) or buy a Amazon basics Highspeed cable with Ethernet. Thats the kind you want.
       
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      In case anyone is interested, I got the LG E6 55" on Friday and these are my initial impressions when comparing it to the cx802:
      - similar upscaling but the 802 possibly has the edge here.
      - better contrast, blacks & colours with E6.
      - E6 shows up imperfections in source material a little more.
      - motion handling is better on the E6. In particular, there is no judder/skipping on live TV HD broadcasts (Strictly, games shows etc.), which was a persistent (but minor) issue with the cx802. I haven't experienced any of the significant motion or judder issues that some others on the E6 forum have complained about but maybe I am just not that sensitive to it. I have trumotion set to off.
      - generally, a similar performance with HD TV sources (Sky Q in my case). I find Sky Q HD a bit softer than Freeview or Freesat but no real difference between cx802 and E6, except in the areas stated above.
      - cx802 is very good with HD Bluray but E6 is even better.
      - E6 is the best TV for 3D I have ever seen. Absolutely unbelievable quality with zero issues. I always found the cx802 very disappointing in this area (loads of ghosting, even from an optimal viewing position).
      - Sky UHD is significantly better on the E6.
      - 4k Blu Ray and 4K streaming are better on the E6. HDR is certainly better. Having said that, the difference isn't as great as I had hoped, demonstrating that the cx802 does handle UHD and HDR material pretty well. The biggest issue I have is picture noise in near blacks with all HDR material on both TVs, whether disc or streamed. If you put your face right up to the screen, you can really see this and you don't see it anywhere near as much with non HDR UHD or HD material.
      - I have seen no discernible artefacts in any material yet with the E6 (except as above with HDR), even when experimenting with low settings of Trumotion.
      - screen uniformity is much better on the E6. My cx802 suffered from minor DSE and darker edges (backlight issue, I think) about 1cm into the screen.
      - the E6's soundbar is surprisingly good and immersive, particularly in cinema mode. Dialogue is also clear. I won't be hooking up my Sony NT HT 3 Soundbar with sub woofer any time soon, even though that has a more refined sound.
      - using the internal soundbar, I have experienced no lipsync issues (others have), except with the Netflix app on the Xbox One S (but this can be corrected by setting Trumotion to on and using minimal settings).
      - for some reason, the E6 Netflix app,although it does Dolby Vision HDR won't transmit a Dolby Digital signal to the internal soundbar, when all other sources will, including the X Box One S Netflix app.
      - E6 does suffer from a couple of HDMI handshake issues with Sky Q and Xbox one S (in 3d mode only) but simply switching HDMI inputs and back again or turning on and off the Sky Q box corrects this.
      - of course, proper calibration of the E6 in the near future may show up further differences.
      In conclusion, if anyone has been tempted to jump ship from the cx802 to a 2016 OLED, my initial impressions are that I wouldn't do it simply to try and get a better UHD HDR experience. Perhaps, waiting another year or two would be best (I am too impatient sometimes). However, the E6 does have real advantages in terms of general picture quality, future proofing, 3D (last chance!) and sound, which means I do not regret the purchase at this stage, particularly as I was looking to have 2 good TVs for different rooms anyway.
      Apologies if some of this is a bit vague, as I am not all that technically knowledgeable when it comes to TVs.
       
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      I guess it depends what you're watching and via what medium you're watching it. I watch BBC One HD via a Sky Q Silver box and don't have any issues with it.

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      Very confused! Why wouldn't/shouldn't you watch BBC HD through the TVs own tuner? The question I'm asking then is why does this tv have issues with dark scenes on what you call a 'sh!t source' when an older tv doesn't?! Something doesn't stack up here!
       
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    21. Mar 12, 2017 at 9:45 PM
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      My noise issues in dark scenes relate to HDR material only. I have no issues with other sources.

      As I understand it (other forum members, please correct me if I am wrong), better quality TVs will pick up more issues with poor mastering and compression noise in low quality sources, so you will notice them more. It is the downside of owning such a high quality TV, which is designed primarily for higher quality sources, although I agree it is frustrating if that happens in full HD TV broadcast sources.

      I also find the TV tuner in the cx802 isn't all that good. It does not produce as good a picture as my separate set top boxes. Part of the problem I have is that it seems to transmit a weaker signal than I get with a separate box, even though I have a digital aerial and am in a good reception area.

      The other point is whether your TV is correctly calibrated or not. I don't see any noise on mine with full HD TV broadcast sources.
       
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    22. Mar 12, 2017 at 10:23 PM
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      I wouldn't watch any Freeview content through the TV as I don't have an aerial. I watch all my TV via Sky (I think that's what you were asking?!).
      The difference between TV's could be any number of things. I suspect the most likely is how you have/ had them set up. Did you set up the TV yet with the S&M disc? I suspect you have Brightness too high or the Gamma too low maybe. What are your picture settings for that source?

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      My tx-50cx802b seems to have developed a fault. When I use a HDR source it plays fine for 5 - 10 mins but after that the whole screen goes white for a second or two and then flashes white every 30 seconds (roughly) there-after. This continues until the TV is switched off. It's fine until a HDR source is put through it. Have swapped HDMIs and same happens on Prime. Have also factory reset. Has anybody any advice before I contact Panasonic for a warranty repair?
       
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      I have used the CX802s tuner and even recorded from it to a USB drive. It does seem to have some minor issues compared to other TV's but nothing that has bothered me. Personally i have not noticed any major quality issues however it does seem weak in the signal area. I have had it say "low signal" never had that before in my life. Also when this air purifier in the room turns on and off it makes freeview go blank for half a second. It has no affect on HDMI or streaming or any other source just freeview.

      This TV may have a tiny tuner issue but it is far from bad and looks pretty decent with its upscaling.
       
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      Thanks for this comparison, really useful for me as I was contemplating picking up a 55E6 if the prices continue to drop. Were you comparing to a 50CX802 or 55CX802?
       
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      I have the 55". I heard a rumour that lg have just stopped shipping the b6 and e6, so suggest u don't wait too long if you want one. At 2k now, so a reaonable price too. I am really happy with mine and with running it in and proper calibration, I am optimistic it will look even better soon.
       
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      Thanks, interesting to hear the tuner isn't great in this tv
       
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      Not used the disc yet but I'm on custom with everything off.

      Backlight 34
      Contrast 91
      Brightness 0
       
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      Can I ask a favour please? Just trying to get my head around the 'contrast control' in Adv settings. If you turn yours to 'auto' does it have the effect of a sharper/clearer picture and turning it back to 'off' does a kind of haze go over the picture?
       
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      That makes sense as it will boost the contrast ratio (the difference between black and white). It's essentially what a Darbee Darblet does but in a much less sophisticated way.

      If you set it to 'Custom' you can adjust it manually.

      Paul
       
      youngsyp, Mar 14, 2017
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