2012 Cars...new models,and even electric cars.

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  1. accyuklad

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    The i8 looks pretty tasty also!
     
  3. accyuklad

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    bet the i8 is alot more money
     
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    Look at the good points....99 mile range,and how long to get it fully charged from flat?

    Until the car manufacturers tackle these issues,electric cars aren't going to make big inroads into the market.
     
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    thats the problem with eletric cars it says 99 mile range but what if you put your foot down alot you going to get alot less

    look at the stupid bhp they give and top speed on electric cars

    i think the i8 is electric and engine powered but i dont see point having it eletric due to it will only travel 20miles lol very pointless
     
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    The other thing is the "green" aspect of these cars.

    Yes,they are effectively zero-emissions,but the electricity used is certainly not,and the battery packs are not environmentally friendly at all.

    The life span of the battery pack is rated between 3-10 yrs depending on charge cycle and use.

    I'm not knocking the concept,which could be superb,but the flaws,and the way they are pitched,makes them a poor idea right now.

    When you can buy a small diesel that does 70mpg,and has low emissions...where does it leave these?
     
  7. lovegroova

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    I have no problems with a 100 mile range or even having to plug it in every night...but who in their right mind is going to spend £30K on a car that can barely do 90 mph when from the same manufacture for the same price (£50 less) you can get something that will rival a Porsche Cayman for driving thrills...
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    they defo need to lower the price down to like 10k
     
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    cant get any worse then seen in this crap [​IMG]

    i seen one of them in my area a few week ago lol

    8hours to fully charge it lol
    50mph max lol

    i bet if you crashed at 30mph you be crushed
     
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    But then you look at some of the electric vans for local deliveries. 80 mile range & 50MPH.

    It will always be a niche product unless they can get 10 times the range to match a similar petrol car.

    Fuel cells maybe the future though.
     
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    well electric cars will be in the future but they still need to work on the distance of the battery and quicker charge like 2hours max for full charge but it be a while i reackon till they know how to speed up the charging time
     
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    Er, the 370 is £5k more than the Leaf (I guess you didn't spot the £5k subsidy which gets applied to the Leaf)

    Then there's the running costs to consider.

    I don't know if anyone's done a proper comparison of lifetime costs of something like the Leaf.
     
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    The new Renault range looks interesting, there's even something that looks like a 4 wheel rickshaw :laugh: They also make it clear that CO2 is generated in making the cars and the electricity to run them.
     
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    The actual cost of th car! ​
    Similar points to the above, why buy a electric car when for a few quid more you get a sports model with all the flash.

    Where are charging points?​
    Range is stupid 100 miles on a charge? what happens of you take the wrong turn on the m25... your stuffed.

    What happens when you switch on the hot air fan or A/C and are stuck in traffic?
    How do they work the range out?
    Can you jump start them and if so how​


    Too many issues, need to resolve them before i would even think about a electric car. The green issue is a load of old bull. People think about their pocket and rightfully so.
     
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    electric cars i reackon they would only work out ok is for town only or very short trips also the cars cost hell of alot which really they shouldnt even bring out untill they solved how to make the charging quicker and make them do least 200miles or more
     
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    Most cars don't go very far on a day to day basis, especially 2nd cars in a family (a trip to the school, then to the shops, and then home.

    The car can be charged whilst it's at home (usually at least 20 hours of every day) so range is irrelevant. The family fossil fuelled car would be used for longer journeys.

    Nissan has developed a 30 minute charge (80% of the battery) and a 10 minute charge is on the way Nissan cuts electric car battery charging time to 10 minutes

    Have a read of this actual review Nissan cuts electric car battery charging time to 10 minutes in which you may learn something, especially the summary:


     
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    The "on the road price" of the Leaf is still £30K, factor in depreciation and the uncertainty about battery life (battery technology has hardly improve in the last few years...laptops have gained longer running times not because batteries are better but because components been used are more efficient so use less electrically) the Leaf is only viable for people with a lot of spare cash and want to play with the latest toy.

    I actually seriously considered buying a Leaf as a 2nd car so the I could stick a supercharger kit on my 350Z and keep it for weekend runs, but the maths simply doesn't work...I ended up replacing the Z with a BMW 335i, faster and economical, and it can sit more than 2 people :)

    Electric cars have a lot of potential, the electric motor is much better as an engine compared to the internal combustion engine, look at the 0-60 time for the Tesla roadster. Equally who doesn't want to drive around without having to pay for petrol and all the taxes that go with it. But the Leaf is a complete joke at its current price and the way its sales are going (or not going) is heading towards been a total flop. When the price/performance ratio of electric cars start approaching that of current petrol cars I'll be the first to get one, but I have a feeling its going to be more than a few years before that happens :(
     
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    Day to day I could get away with an electric car without a problem as work is only the other side of town. When it becomes really impractical is visits the outlaws 250 miles away plus any other weekends away we might have. So now you need two cars in the family which again could be fine if you can afford it. Having said that, I still think electric vehicles are flawed long term and are no better for the environment than the petrol we use now. They just pollute in a different way.
     
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    I'd have thought that avoiding the outlaws would be a great reason to get an electric car! :laugh:
     
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    The Leaf is still £5k cheaper to buy and much, much cheaper to run than a 350Z though.

    There seems to be plenty of people who live near me who are happy enough to spend £28k+ (and in many cases over £40k) on the latest Range Rover Evoque as a 2nd car for the wife. So there are plenty of people who want to have the latest toy and are prepared to pay for it.

    If a car company were to build a "fashionable" electric car - as BMW are doing with the MINI, then I predict some success. The upcoming Renault Zoe could do it, but will be hindered by the fact that it's a Renault.
     
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    How long does it take to charge from flat

    Watching the Top Gear programme the other night about electric cars this was one of the drawbacks along with lack of charging points
     
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    I can't remember the exact times,and even allowing for a bit of TG nonsense,it was still a looooonnnnngggg time.

    That,plus the lack of charging facilities and the fact that they really aren't green in any case,would really put me off.
     
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    if you was in a rush of a emergency then you going to after get taxi lol
     
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    Assuming I've read your reply right,the answer is of course assuming you're not stuck in the woods somewhere,with a flat battery and no reception....

    I think that having a range of 100 miles and no back-up is daft,and even that assumes you driving like a saint and avoiding the air-con etc.
     
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    But the equivalent petrol version of the leaf isn't a Z car, it'll be a £8k 3 cylinder shopping trolley. People spend £30k on cars want something with style, performance, and sexiness. The Leaf has none of these. It's not a bad car or even concept but it's RRP is about £15k too much.
     
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    Here: Charging car battery - Nissan Leaf - electric cars

    Rapid charge (free from your Nissan Dealer) 80% in 30 minutes.

    Home charge on 240V is 12 hours.
     
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    There are plenty of green eco types down in London from whom spending £25k on an electric car is justifiable.

    The Renault equivalents coming soon are actually a much better deal.

    This is an interesting article from normally anti-electric car Mike Rutherford: Mr Money: Renault is the new electric car champion - Telegraph

    Electric cars are most definitely not for everybody, in the same way as a 2-seater sports car, or a Land Rover Defender aren't, but if they reduce localised air, and more especially noise pollution, then that's certainly a good thing.

    As with everything, the first versions are bound to be expensive (remember when plasma screens were £5k minimum?) but they will eventually become cheaper. Expect a lot more electric cars on the roads in the next 20 years.

    Whether our power grid would be up to it is another discussion altogether...
     
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