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Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by marcoeser, Sep 2, 2001.

  1. marcoeser

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    Hello,<br />I've been researching for about a year now for a replacement for my Yamaha DSP A592. I've got a maximum of ?2000 to spend. I've come to the conclusion that the Rotel RSP976 and RB1075 or RB985MkII would be my best bet. Now this is where my problem comes, I'm living in Greece and I've called every reseller and none will give me a demo. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

    Heres my question, at this price range what other choice do I have besides the Rotels?

    Thank you, Marc <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

    Here's my system:<br />Sony 735 DVD<br />Yamaha DSP A592<br />Kef Speakers: Q55 main, Q95C, Q15 rears<br />Rel Strata III<br />Sony 32" wide screen
     
  2. russraff

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    Marc,

    Firstly, in my opinion, let me say you are quite correct in going for separates over integrated receivers. Anyway, you could look at the "really very good indeed" Marantz MM9000 and AV9000.<br />Sorry about the link to another mag but...

    <a href="http://www.home-entertainment.co.uk/grouptest_read.asp?GroupID=716&ArticleID=747" target="_blank">Marantz AV/MM9000 review</a>

    The package costs about £1500 ex display or £2000 new (you should get them for closer to £1500, though). Both components are THX certified and built like a battleship. Despite THX certification, I think both components are very musical indeed, more so than any receiver I have heard. The processor comes with a special Marantz RC2000 remote, which is nice.<br />I don’t rate them, but there is the Sony 9000 system. Some people love them, but be warned there have been some "bad batches" made. I must say that Sony seem to release software upgrades on a regular basis. The latest update would appear to improve the sound of the processor somehow. Perhaps you could check it out? there is a review on HCCO website.<br />The problem with the Sony and Marantz system (and the Rotel one you are looking at) is that they aren't upgradeable like the TAG and Denon A1SE, and don't support the newer decoding technologies like DTS Discreete.<br />Other than this there isn't much that I can think of at this price for separates. You could spend more and get a TAG processor with a Rotel amp. Or get a receiver coupled to a Rotel/brace of NAD power amps (something like the A10SE). Or you could get a Denon A1SE or Onkyo 989 integrated (I'd rather get separates, though).

    Russell

    [ 03-09-2001: Message edited by: russraff ]</p>
     
  3. marcoeser

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    Thanks Russell,<br />I'll check the prices over here for the Marantz, hopefully the'll have one to listen to.<br />Regarding the Sony system, that's what I've found from all the reviews I've read, so I won't even consider that one.<br />I'd dearly love the TAG, its my birthday soon anyone want to buy me gift... <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />Reality now, I could buy 3 Rotel 976 processors for the price of one TAG. For an uprade, I'll just buy a new Rotel when the technology comes out, say 9.1.<br />I'm kind of on the fence regarding 6.1/7.1 formats, it hasn't persuaded me yet.

    The other choice I might consider is a Denon AVC-A10SE now and a 5/7 channel power amp later, if someone can persuade me if the processor in the Denon is better that a separate, ie. a Rotel or Marantz.<br />The more I look into this the more confused I get, but I then realize I don't have many choices. <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <br />What's fun, is the search for perfection <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
     
  4. Jim Robson

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    The Home Entertainment test awards the Marantz AV900/ MM9000THX, 5-stars for movie sound, 3-stars for music sound and 3-stars for build quality yet 5-stars overall?? How very odd!! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

    Why bother with something like that when you can easily have an HCC 5-star all the way product like the Denon AVC-A1SE for £2,000? There are plenty advertised at this price, in the UK. <br />"The world's first integrated amplifier with DTS-ES Discrete 6.1. Stunning sonic performance.<br />Sound 5-stars <br />Build quality 5-stars <br />Features 5-stars <br />Overall 5-stars"

    Why have skimmed milk when you can have the cream?

    Regards

    Jim <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

    PS There's even a second-hand Gold AVC-A1SE advertised in the HCC classifieds section under 'miscellaneous', for £1,449!

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    PS There's even a second-hand Gold AVC-A1SE advertised in the HCC classifieds section under 'miscellaneous', for £1,449!

    Somebody else realising the only way forward is to go seperates. Why buy an integrated amp, only to find another waiting in the wings.... whatever you decide to buy, go for seperates. The quality and ease of upgrades makes for an easy decision.

    Regards Rob.
     
  6. Jim Robson

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    So why *are* you selling your AVC-A1SE Tom (Edgyboy)?

    Regards

    Jim <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

    PS If I had remotely thought that I could have afforded the £2,000+ for a Tag McLaren AV32R (+ whatever all the latest upgrades cost) + another £2,000+ for two Rotel power amps in excess of 170w per channel, I'd certainly have gone the separate route, instead of buying my AVC-A1SE! Separates are indeed fabulous *if* you can afford them.
     
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    its all peoples perception, i presume you cant replace your ears.

    Mike
     
  8. russraff

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    Jim,

    Yeah, the Home entertainment review doesn't make much sense in terms of overall rating. I wouldn't rely on any magazine, though, to tell me how good something sounds, but rather a guide as to missing (and included) features, ergonomics, faults etc. I would always get a dem, at home preferably, in order to ascertain what sounds "good" to my ears. In this respect, I have demoed the Marantz and Rotel combos and concluded that they sounded better than the Denon A1SE (and cost less), but don’t include the latest features. The fact that HCC awarded 5 stars to a product is immaterial if you don’t think it sounds good. But if the features mentioned in that review are important to you (and you think the Denon sounds okay after a dem), then by all means the Denon is a good, but expensive, buy. Otherwise, in my opinion, I would go for the Marantz or Rotel combos and forgo the extra expense investing in the latest decoding technologies (Denon and Onkyo receivers).

    Rob,

    Agree with you 100%

    Russell

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  9. marcoeser

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    Just a quick note before my boss comes into work and sees me on the net, again...

    Rob, couldn't agree with you more. The separate route just makes common sence.

    The search goes on.

    But it seems there isn't much besides these two makes at this price level. I can't afford the Tag now but at least I'll be ready with the power amp when I do strick gold.

    If anyone has any more options I'd love to hear them.

    Thanks, Marc <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

    ps. ROB, how did you get your link to your web site just to display your name and not the whole URL?
     
  10. Jim Robson

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    Hi Marc!

    Just click on the URL button of the Instant UBB Code section (immediately to the right of the Instant Stevens!) and follow the instructions. It will then look like this:-

    <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/marcoeser/cinema/" target="_blank">Marc's Home Cinema Extravaganza!</a>

    At first I couldn't get your original link to work for me but I've managed to solve the mystery by deleting the 'index' part of your website URL. Works fine now. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

    Regards

    Jim <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

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  11. marcoeser

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    URIKA, sussed it out, Thanks, also sorted out the missing link.

    I visited my local hifi shop and heard the Sony9000 pre amp hooked upto a Rotel RB1095 amp. It sounded amazing, better even in 2 channels from a CD.

    I have to take back my words I said in the beginning of this thread. <img src="graemlins/blush.gif" border="0" alt="[Blush]" /> I'm now looking for any else's views on this amp.

    The sales man insisted that it is better than the Rotel RSP976 and even RSP985. It is upgradable and has evry adjustment I could dream of and more. I don't care for the DSPs, I prefer the pure sound, but they're there when I want to have some fun.

    I'm thinking of hooking it up with the Rotel RM985MKII amp. Can't afford the 1095. What's your opinion have you compared this with other pre amps?

    Marc <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
     
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    Marc,

    If you want all the info you'll ever need on the Sony preamp then go to <a href="http://pub7.ezboard.com/baussiedvdandhtforum" target="_blank">Flagship Receiver & Amplifier Central</a>

    There is some interesting posts there.

    Russell
     

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