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2 Velodyne SPL 1200 Mk II v's 1 B&W ASW750

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by samhain, Jul 9, 2004.

  1. samhain

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    Since deciding to go and audition the B&W ASW 750 tomorrow, I have thrown in to the hat 2 Velodyne SPL 1200 Mk II's.

    I can get the Velo for a very good price indeed and the cost of two would therefore not be too much more than 1 B&W 750.

    Anyone got any thoughs on my logic.

    2 Velodyne SPL 1200 Mk II v's 1 B&W ASW750

    Thanks

    Stu
     
  2. Ian J

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    Using two subs can give you more headroom so that you can hit higher volume levels with less strain but the other side of the coin is that it can often be difficult to place one sub optimally let alone two and if you get it wrong the bass can cancel itself out.

    The Velodyne is a nice sub and well worth putting on the demo list if space is at a premium but I think that if you are listening to a well setup B&W ASW750 tomorrow you will come away with your own mind made up anyway.

    Stellavision and rags both speak very favourably of their ASW750's with rags posting that he preferred the sound of his to that of the top of the range £3,000 Velodyne DD-18.

    Let us know what you think after hearing both.
     
  3. Ed Selley

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    Having done the last month and a bit on one sub, I'm beginning to think about staying that way as it is so much easier to set up and just has a consistency of performance that I couldn't rely on with two subs (even after endless tweaking).

    My vote goes to one sub.
     
  4. samhain

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    Interesting views guys and I must admit slightly surprising, but more views, keep them coming guys
     
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    Ian is right, I've used upto 3 subs in the past and placement is crucial.

    Stacking the subs will eliminate any chance of cancellation and also provide the most output and extension. But you don't gain any benefit in the areas of standing waves and distribution. Stacking effectively just makes two subs into a single bigger one.
    Personally I'd stack everytime since I only have a small seating area and a BFD to even the response.

    I think you'll find that the ASW750 will comfortably output the velodynes and is a superb music sub.
     
  6. rags

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    Ian - its good but not that good ! I was comparing the DD18 to the ASW850.
     
  7. Ian J

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    whoops :blush:
     
  8. samhain

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    It could be quite interesting then ! :smashin:

    Unfortunately, the cheque bounced from member Free today for my Servo 15 and I paid £6 in bank charges so my plans are now up in the air again :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  9. rags

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    Sell the Servo15 mate and get the ASW750.
     
  10. samhain

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    I have my heart set on a new investment so whatever happens the Servo must go to a new home.
     
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    Does the 750 have a servo feedback circuit?
     
  12. rags

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    No it doesnt.

    I ordered the ASW850 today so am no longer going to be an ASW750 owner.
     
  13. samhain

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    Maybe we can do a deal on the 750 if I like it?
     
  14. rags

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    Samhain - Yup, its for sale in the classifieds. Unforutnately I cant demo you mine as I currently have no front speakers !
     
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    Rags, I thought you were'nt going to change for a while?!
    I don't want to hear how good it is or you'll have me wanting to get one too!! :rolleyes:
     
  16. rags

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    I just thought what the heck and went for it. Just about says it all....
     
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    I've not actually been able to find anyone near by that has one yet, so I may come knocking on your door at some point soon. ;)
     
  18. samhain

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    As I have been communicating with Rags, I thought I would share a few thoughts.

    Myself and a few mates did a blind test today with the 750, the 800 and the 850.

    The 800 is the 12" version of the same design of the 850 and costs £1600 instead of £2k for the 850.

    Without going into too much detail the 750 performed amazingly well. However, the 800 was a revelation compared to it and the 850 was only a percentage point better than the 800.

    The 800 series uses a new matrix bracing insert that makes the box so ridgid that all coloration and resonance are virtually eliminated.

    Boy does it work, the 800 and 850 produced some of the finest sound I have heard from a sub, the words clean, tight, controlled, depth, scale all spring to mind and the 750 too was very well presented.

    It was however, the unanimous 3rd choice amongst our test today in Glasgow. I couldn't really pick an audible difference between the 12" 800 and the 15" 850 but that could be down to the chapters being auditioned.

    I am going for the 800, no question. Although to satisfy my mind I would have liked to hear the 2 velodynes as a comparitor.

    First Class.
     
  19. rags

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    Barrie - No problem at all mate. The dealer is pretty close by so we can head there straight afterwards - just bring your credit card with you :D .
     
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    Yup - I told you they are all fine subwoofers. I never tried the ASW800 as I knew that ultimately I would want the 15" ASW850. As you would expect given there relative price points, the ASW850 is significantly better than the 750 so I would expect the same but to a slightly lesser degree with the ASW800.

    The thing is all of them produce superbly tight bass with a huge amount of slam - just the kind of sound I want.
     
  21. samhain

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    You did mate.

    Good luck with yours, you lucky so and so !!
     
  22. samhain

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    Just as a follow up guys, I have managed to source an SPL 1200 in Edinburgh for a demo so going there on saturday.

    I will have the full picture then.
     
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    Well, I have heard the SPL and to say it's poor would be an understatment (think the Beekeeper said it would anyway !!)

    From the 60hz up it sounded clean and punch but the gain had to be just right, slightly too much gain and the sound became fuzzy and incoherent.

    Below 60Hz....well I couldn't hear much below it to be perfectly honest. There was no slam and certainly no depth whatsoever. I told the chap that this was very poor indeed for AV. As I said for music this thing will sing but careful setting up required.

    Then he said wait a minute lets try this. It was the Digital Drive Series 12" at £2.2k

    WOW. This thing was awesome, what a difference. It was the cleanest tightest bass I honestly think I have heard and the depth beat the pants off the ASW 800 (12"). The 15" would be a different story.

    I have to say this is one fantastic sub and it now is placed firmly at the top of my shopping list.
     
  24. rags

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    If you liked the DD series definately give the bigger ones a try.
     
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    Samhain things get even better with the DD's performance once you start to EQ :thumbsup:
     
  26. Ian J

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    I would guess that the Velodyne demo was at the premises of the retail group part owned by one of the directors of the Velodyne importer. In the circumstances I would sincerely hope that it had been set up correctly anyway including equalisation.
     
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    In light of a possible £2.2 sale I would hope that it had been EQ'ed aswell.
     
  28. samhain

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    All correct chaps and indeed worthy of an audition. Ian J you are right about the audition. I haven't wasted my time in this endeavour and everyone I appreciate your comments.

    I think the 12" would be as far as my other half would like us to go !! :)

    The EQ certainly will help in room response but could be too complicated for a mere mortal like myself to get right.
     
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    I read over on avsforum in the Velodyne support thread that Velodyne are currently working on an Auto EQ feature, and you would just update the sub's firmware via the RS-232 port :thumbsup:
     
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    Hi,

    Thought I,d throw my tuppence worth in.

    I went for an audition at the said retailer here in Edinburgh.

    I couldn,t believe how good these DD,s sounded, so I took a deep breath, traded in my old sub and bought a DD15 :eek:

    When you get something like this home and set up properly, you see what you,ve been missing in the bass dept.

    It,s fairly easy to set up using the onboard eq, and as been mentioned already Velodyne are working on a full auto setup upgrade.

    If you can , sell the wife and kids and get one :D .
     

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