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2 or 4 Wheels??

Discussion in 'Motoring' started by Layne RIP, Oct 27, 2005.

  1. Layne RIP

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    So guys, what's best??
    Performance cars or Performance bikes...... and if money was no object what would you have?
     
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    Money no object - one of each!!!
     
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    If money were no object, I would tile the roads with cushions so if I fell off my ducati I wouldn't share a consistency with a blended pear.
     
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    I have a bike engined car, its a real screemer, great fun.
    I can boot it as hard as I like and it won't wheely.
    0-60 in 4 seconds. It surprises the hell out of bikers from the lights.
     
  5. Layne RIP

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    What no pics firebladebec ????? (spot the hint)
     
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    Money no object?....a properly set up and tuned RS200.

    600+bhp and 0-60 in about 3.2 secs( still holds the current record for a "production" car)but b*ggers to maintain and run properly,and spares are getting difficult.
     
  7. Layne RIP

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    Not to mention one of the most unpredictable when it comes to handling... The RS200 was notorious for biting even the most accomplished driver right in the butt.

    Saying that it was quite pretty... and if you could get it to go in a straight line for long enough without sticking it in a ditch then yes it was pant wettingly quick... especially for the time it was realeased.
     
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    Not sure if you're referring to an RS2000 there!....if the torque split is set properly,then the RS200 was about as "reasonable" as any other GpB car,and only snappy on account of it's short wheelbase.

    That said,it was still fast enough to win the British Rallycross Championship in 2002,plus runner-up in 2003,against much newer WRC competition,and as you know,rallycross is all about handling and power.
     
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    Having said that,if cost incl maintenance,petrol etc were no object I'd probably be happy with my Escort,which was still adequately brisk(plus a few GpA bits perhaps!)
     
  10. Layne RIP

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    Due to the short wheel base, the sheer animalistic power and the torque split 37% front- 63% Rear (lockable to 50/50).. it did make the car skittish and the brakes were slightly laughable in standard form for the sort of power it was giving out..
    380bhp for the original rally car... 250bhp for the road going homologation one... a car that Ford had a very hard time shifting but lets face it £50,000 (which at the time was a hell of a lot of money) was a bit steep especially as at this time GpB had bee banned so no more rally success for the poor old RS200.
    The EVO 2.1 was the most astounding of the breed though... 600-700bhp... this held the record for ages for the fastest 0-100-0 time of 12 seconds would've been quicker with better brakes (love to get one and put some big ceramic ones on it with some serious calipers say 6 pots all around.. and maybe some power assistance to boot)... i think you might be looking at a 11 dead... maybe even 10.5.

    http://www.rs200.org/videos.htm

    Have a look at this site for some cool vids on the RS200.. including Clarkson losing control of one...
     
  11. Layne RIP

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    Are we taling Escort Cossie style or RS2000??
     
  12. Layne RIP

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    Both huge fun...
     
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    Yeah that was funny... he couldn't even get it off the line...
     
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    Very detailed response,and very nice to find someone who knows his stuff!

    I was referring to the Evolution version,and was referring to the car in which Graham Hathaway dragged a 0-60 of 3.2s out of a few yrs back.

    Graham looked after both of my cars,and also built what were probably the 2 most extreme RS200s made....the first was a car for the German Hillclimb championship,with a mere 650-700bhp,2 stage ALS and was actually sort of eco-friendly by running a catalyser if you can believe it.
    The other was an 850bhp jobbie for the Pikes Peak run,which he managed to get 0-140mph in 7s at the MIRA test track....sadly it had a bit of trouble in the US with Stig Blomquist driving and caught fire!

    In answer to your other question...an ex GpN Escort Cosworth,derestricted,with about 380bhp,straight-cut gears,ALS,water injection etc,and noisy enough inside to make your ears bleed....plus 10-15 mpg at best.
     
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    10-15mpg... if you got a car like that sort of Cossie... frankly who cares about fuel economy...
    I really can't understand why they'd run a cat on a rally car, the only thing i can think of is that they wanted to increase the back pressure... why however is a mystery.
     
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    Reminds me of the day Clarkson ran a race round a UK circuit of a 60grand porsche versus a 9grand bike - fireblade I think.

    The porche won by a nats chuff.

    Clarkson finished with the line of

    "Now all you bikers can shutup"


    Well not really mr Clarkson. Lets see that race again with a a 9grand bike, like an R1, with 51grands worth of mods ... aka BSB spec, just without the BSB restrictions. :smashin:

    My money is on the *Now* equal bike - finaly a fair race?


    (details are hazy as it was a few years ago. It defo though was a big porsche and a 900/1000cc superbike without mods)
     
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    You may well say that until you contend with the other running expenses such as suspension and gearbox maintenance!

    The cat I referred to was on a hillclimb RS200,and to comply with the current German regs,it had to comply with the emissions standards,hence the cat,but given the size of the cat and exhaust,back pressure wasn't a problem,and in any case significant back pressure is the last thing a race-spec turbo engine needs!
     
  18. Layne RIP

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    Yeah well that's also something you have to except with that sort of car... anyone who didn't is a fool to themselves really.
     
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    True,but since I'd owned and paid for similar previously,it wasn't as if I didnt know what I was getting...what really killed it off for me was when we moved house,making the journey much longer etc etc....until you've owned something that raw,you really don't appreciate all of the little things that can add up in terms of being niggly.
    One example is not being able to just start it up and drive.....doesnt work that way with one of those.....it simply wont run until the engine's above 85C...another which will concentrate your mind is unassisted carbon metallic brakes sans ABS...keeps your mind on the job.

    Great fun for 4 yrs......
     
  20. Layne RIP

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    I bet it was fun too... you should've seen my last car... 68 Chevrolet Camaro.. SS396.... 430bhp... and manual drum brakes all round.. now that was fun... :D
     

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