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1st Post, Hi. Recommendations for 7 channel AV amp?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by davidwatsonok, Jun 24, 2003.

  1. davidwatsonok

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    Hello all, I've arrived here via Scoobynet and would like some advice on a new AV amp please.

    I currently use a Yamaha DSP A2070 (ProLogic Enhanced) with 7 speakers (Main, Centre, Rear Surround and Front Surround) and would like to upgrade to a Digital amp for DTS (EX), 6.1, 7.1 etc. to compliment a Pioneer 656a (SACD/DVD-A) and retain 7 speakers. I've had a look at the Pioneer amps but would appreciate some advice.

    Also, do any receivers yet have DAB tuners in them?

    Budget, upto £800.
     
  2. Ricky27

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    How much you going to spend ?
     
  3. Sunday Ironfoot

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    Have a look at the high end Marantz SR models. The Pioneer VSX-D2011 is suppose to be pretty good as well (£900 though).
     
  4. Mogli

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    I would reccomend a 2011 (ok i am biased to an extent as i have one :cool: ) which you can pick up for around 680 if you can find one. I picked mine up last week and i am very impressed with stereo and movies. It simply blows me away everytime.

    For once i can close my eyes and just feel the music all around me. The 1st time i hooked it up i honestly thought that it was running in multichcannel to a point where i got up and put my ears to the other speakers to make sure it was in 2 chanel.

    I also have the same DVD player and they make a good pair. I am not too well versed on other equipment but in that range but the Denon 3803 also has many plaudits. I am sure Steff/Vicki could help you as i am sure there is rotel kit in that price range also which is also mightly impressive.

    What speakers are you planning on using?

    Mog
     
  5. davidwatsonok

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    Speakers are Mission 764i (floorstanders) Main, Mission 77C Centre, Mission 77DS Surround(x2). I really don't want to change any of these.
    TV Sony KV32FQ75, CD Cyrus dad7, Vid JVC HRS7700.
    Thinking of adding Toshiba HD/DVD recorder, but probably wait for a few other manufacurers to release theirs to pick best of crop.

    Where did you get the 2011 for £680?
     
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    Another 2011 vote here given your budget!
     
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    Nahhhhh......Just go for the AX10i !!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :laugh: :laugh:
     
  8. Mogli

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    I am based in Holland mate and i got mine from here.. so i dont think i can help you much on that front. But have a good look around and ring up loads of places and i am sure you can get it for around that figure.
     
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    you might want to consider the Denon AVR3803 as well. Always best to get a short list of likely candidates and audition at your local dealer. I'm sure they could couple similar speakers to the ones you currently own with various makes of amps across a broad budget.
    You might want to spend a bit less if your not likely to upgrade your speakers for a while the 2011 is overkill with your current speakers imo. If you are going to upgrade your speakers though the 2011 would be one of the amps I would consider for audition.
     
  10. davidwatsonok

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    Thanks for all the help guys, I think it'll be the Pioneer. Found the 2011 for £700 at techtronics.com.
    Also had the _VSX-D1011 at £527 and the VSX-D811S-S at £335.

    With my old speakers I might just plump for the cheap one and eat humble AV pie, use any other money on my Scooby, after all, it's summer, who wants to be indoors?
     
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    The 811 is a damn fine av amp so if that's what you end up with, you won't be disappointed
     
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    Another fanatic... I got 2011 and really worth for the money. I got mine for £664 at Empire. I got one problem though. I feel like I'm having hearing problem now due to surround sounds

    There's another one worth to buy..... Pioneer 912 for £400.
    This got auto MCACC as well but only 6channels.
     
  13. Lesmond

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    Demoed a 2011 vs a Harman Kardon 5550.

    I went along to Sevenoaks with a friend who really wanted the 2011, listened to both receivers in multi channel and stereo modes.

    Both were very good for multichannel (HK had the edge though - its Logic 7 processing is far better than DTS NEO and DPL-II)

    But the HK simply blew the Pioneer away when it came to stereo. As obvious as night and day, I'm afraid.

    You could pick up a HK-5550 for ~£750, or the slightly less powerful 4550 for ~£600?



    In other words, go with your ears, not with the crowd.
     
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    How's the stereo sound in your amp ?
    I ask because I too was just about to 'upgrade' my Yamaha DSP-A1 to a 2011 but I am worried about stereo.
    Looking at the previous post I am now very worried !

    Steve.
     
  15. Mogli

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    I own a 2011 and i have always been impressed by the stereo performance.

    The best way to find out which one is you prefer is to demo both of them... Its all very well people telling you what they think but sound is a very personal thing and everyone has different likes and dislikes. So mate have a listen to both and see what you think?

    Mog

    Ps if you get a chance let us know how it goes.
     
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    Good advice, I will demo both of them if I can ever find them anywhere !
    I have found a couple of AX10's but neither on demo.
    I have found 1 place with a 2011, but a long way from the midlands ! Also at the moment there are only a couple of them in the whole country.
    I will be back eventually, but it could take a while to find both in the same place.
    Steve.
     
  17. Lesmond

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    Demo the HK along with the Yamaha. Your allegence to the Japanese manufacturer will be shortlived. The choice won't be down to personal preference, it will be obvious...
     
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    Mmmm, let me see.... 5 x 75 W output on HK and 7 x 100W on Pioneer. No competition really if you have a large room to fill.
     
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    Wattage means squat.

    Try using 4Ohm speakers into a Sony 100W amp and a Krell 100W amp.

    Watch the Sony give up and the Krell would cruise along nicely.
     
  20. Mogli

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    Lesmond:

    I havent heard the HK so cant comment but we all know music is a very personal thing and what some people like others loathe. So some substance to your comments would be interesting if you fancy giving some?

    But personally i am very happy with the way my 2011 sounds and as far as i am concerned is all that matters :).

    I am not trying to start anything just if you could provide more info then YUCK it could make for an interesting thread.

    Cheers,

    Mog
     
  21. Lesmond

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    In short:

    Yam: Very basic sounding, flat, uninspiring, like something is being held back... This is what I thought even before listening to the HK.

    HK: Clear, crisp (not sharp or harsh), powerful and with much, much better stereo imaging. Your getting all the sound from the source. Gave me goosepimples. 'nuff said.

    Neither amp has a 'colour', i.e. warm vs cold sound, but the HK is clearly doing a much better job.

    It's as if HK have made certain the stereo playback is as good as multichannel, whereas Yamaha have treated it as an afterthought, like a hinderance that *has* to be included. I'm sure thats not the case, but the reproduction certainly makes me feel this way.

    I hope this helps.

    And I echo Mr Silly here, wattage isn't a mark of performance. The HK would probably kick the Yam anyway... 45amps?! Suit you sir!! Ooooo!!
     
  22. Nobber22

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    Nice tho' the HK surely is, chaps, David was after a 7 channel amp. ;)
     
  23. Lesmond

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    Er - it is....?

    AVR 5550
    7.1 Channel Audio/Video receiver with Dolby Digital EX and DTS-ES Extended Surround and HDCD

    [​IMG]


    You're not thinking of the 5500, are you? Thats 5.1...
     
  24. Nobber22

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    D'oh! :blush:
     
  25. Lesmond

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    :D no problem mate!
     
  26. Malice

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    Maybe, but we ain't talking Sony, we ain't talking Krell and we ain't talking 4 ohm speakers either, other than that you probably have a point.
     
  27. Lesmond

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    The point being that 'advertised watts' should be taken with a pinch of salt, with many manufacturers 'massaging' the figures to suit those who look on them as a mark of performance.

    For example, Sony are renouned to 'inflate' their watts figure, where others (mostly higher end manufacturers) tend to be more conservative.

    In the end, it doesn't matter. Your ears should be the thing that decides what you get to spend your hard earned on! ;)
     

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