12 months with the Nissan Leaf....far from perfect, but it's the future :)

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  1. IronGiant

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    Reminds me of an M5 owner having to run around with L plates and a chaperone until he could persuade DVLA his DSG gearbox was an auto.
     
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    You can call it automatic if you wish - I have no problems with that.

    However, just to be clear, there are no gear changes in the Nissan Leaf whether manual or automatic. It is a fixed drive.
     
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    Which begs the serious question, how will the DVLA treat it for driving licence categories? can it sit in the auto category? My guess is yes.
     
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    On autotraders website they are described as automatics.

    With no clutch or manual gears, that's what it would have to be classed as.
     
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    The existing organisations and their procedures are designed for ICE vehicles. Fixed drive vehicles without any gearing do not have a category (yet) in their manuals, instructions etc.

    Therefore, for the moment, these vehicles will have to be included somewhere, so they are put under the 'automatic' category.

    It might stay like that, or the procedures will include another category at a later date - when the organisations concerned catch up with the new technology.

    Quite happy to see a vehicle with a fixed drive put under the 'automatic' category. However, technically, the Nissan Leaf is not an automatic.

    I have no argument with this. The problem (small problem) is that it is misleading and might confuse some people into thinking the Leaf change gears automatically.
     
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    I personally think the automatic moniker is fine for anything that has no clutch pedal. Whether the thing has gears or not makes no difference to the category for the licence IMO.

    If you aren't depressing a clutch for a gear change to occur it is automatic. DSG and similar have clutches and many cars are CVT. the Corrola (Auris for you I think) hybrid has CVT, an ICE and batteries. It has no facility to manually select a gear (the non hybrid does) the gear stick is a reverse h and sits to the top left on the short side all the time. Move it right and forward, it springs back and the car will go forward. Right and down and it will go backwards. Down while staying left is manual regen braking. They have marked it the traditional way with forwards being D for Drive, backwards R for reverse and the normal position N for Neutral - even though it isn't that really.

    Point is it has no clutch pedal. Automatic for driving licence purposes. No need for authorities to get carried away with pointless classes of licence IMO.

    I also doubt it matters if people wonder if it changing gear for you or not. Are you changing gear or not should be the question.
     
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    Maybe we should rename the category "Not manual" :)
     
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    "Automatic" refers to the car changing gears for you. It has no gears so cannot be an "automatic". DVLA can call it what they want though.
     
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    "Milk float" category :devil:
     
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    Battery pack/electric motor - yes, same category as the milk float.

    But it does highlight batteries/electric motor milk floats has been about since before WWII. Some of the old milk floats could do up to 80mph, but most could only do about 16mph.

    Strange to think batteries/electric motor vehicles has been about since the turn of the last century and was proving popular, but it was the two world wars and the financial crash between that killed off further development. Lead, copper, steel and other metals were needed for the wars.

    IMO to be included in the milk float category is something to be proud of with all that batteries/electric motor history.

    :cool: :)
     
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    Anyone else still got a Leaf on order?

    We ordered a Tekna 30kw red at the beginning of May. Delivery due 1-2 weeks. It was then delayed two weeks. Then another two. Now another 10 days - estimated delivery now 4th July!

    We've not even been able to complete the finance as apparently still no VIN.

    Pod Point installed over two weeks ago!

    Very little information coming from our dealer or Nissan and frankly we're getting a bit fed up now.
     
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    One of our members works at Nissan:

    @paulyoung666 seen any red Tekna's on the line recently?
     
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    Not sure what wheels they come with but there are always red leaf coming down !!!

    Edit -- just checked and it's the diamond cut ones , I will keep my eye out for them !!
     
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    Well, it's the free colour and looks pretty good too.

    At least I know they're being made! Perhaps you should do an AV Forums special edition and personally sign them under the trim somewhere :)
     
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    What dealer have you gone with and who have you spoke to at Nissan ?
     
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    Battery technology is advancing pretty well, crazy to imagine even our current lithium-ion tech can already supply enough power to propel a 2.5 ton SUV to 1/4 mile as quickly a 600bhp 5L V10 combustion engine can shift a car weighing one ton less with significantly better aerodynamics.

    Tesla Model S P100D Ludicrous vs Lamborghini...


    NASA seems to think even current battery tech is nearly good enough for powered flight!! It really is only a matter of time before the combustion engine dies out :).

    NASA has an ambitious $43 million plan to make electric planes a reality
     
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    Nissan Aylesbury. Helpful lady at Nissan UK but ultimately all she could find out was that there have been delays.
     
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    I have a problem: the real world keeps tripping me up and focused on reality. Might have something to do with a lack of imagination, but maybe not because I love science-fiction.

    So unfortunately your enthusiasm is not shared.
     
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    Haven't electric planes already circumnavigated the globe in one shot? Or did I dream it?
     
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    Maybe you haven't heard, Tesla is a real company selling cars you can buy with cash, and its all powered by existing lithium ion battery tech. A few of us even own them on here and last time I checked this was the real world.

    You don't need any imagination to feel the G forces induced by a 'P' Tesla launch, all it takes is a phone call to set up a test drive ;)
     
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    Only a single man one, which was essentially a glider with motors and solar PV panels.

    The next step is powered flight with planes that may be commercially viable. Batter density still need to increase, but it is not the impossible dream it seemed like in the past.
     
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    Seriously considering going EV for my next car. My Honda Jazz is 12 years old now and getting a bit long in the tooth (although it's probably got years to go). The Leaf seems to tick a lot of boxes - I know there's a new model out later this year but seems that keeping an eye out on the 30kW Acentas over the next few months is a good option. I also get free charging at work, so "high five" in my best Borat impression.

    For those who are getting these great deals offered by dealers, are you getting chummy with them and sending them fruit baskets every so often or just dropping them an email registering your interest?
     
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    I was of course referring to your post, but you know that and are off spinning away on your usual sales pitch.

    You might make a few pennies as a car salesman if you pull in your horns a little.

    ;)
     
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    Yes , there have been some issues , it would be wrong of me to speak about them on here though , just hope the latest date you have been given comes good [emoji106]
     
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    Hi guys, I wonder if any of you know how much your electricity costs to do a full charge, realise this will depend on supplier but a ball part figure would be useful :)

    Want to start working out some figures to show the wife the costs stack up
     
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    Simply , pack size X cost / kWh , i.e 40 X 14p ( guessing the second part ) ....
     
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    It might be more informative to work it out as a cost per mile, as (clearly) a charge to full will depend on the state of discharge. So if you take a miles per kWh figure for the vehicle and compare that to the cost per kWh (from your bill/account) you get a fuel running cost to compare with using diesel/petrol.

    Elsewhere, a member with a Hyundai Ioniq EV appears to be getting about 5 miles per kWh. I gather (not from anything empirical) that the Ioniq is the most efficient EV so I'd assume a little less for a Leaf. So that's 5 miles for ~15p ((insert your unit price for electricity) = ~3p per mile.

    What's the average mpg for a normal petrol car? 50mpg? Less? I don't know (my ancient diesel SUV does 37ish). Average price of petrol 117p/litre = £5.31/gallon. 50 miles for £5.31 = 10.6ppm. More than 3x.

    And then there is servicing cost - EVs are hugely simpler than ICEs.........
     
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    I did say simply lol [emoji28][emoji28][emoji28]
     
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    @LV426 That Ioniq figure is good isn't it. As you suggested, I think we are getting about 3.6 miles per Kwh for the Leaf (I need to check that)
     
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    Don't forget to factor in the cost of Economy 7 for very cheap night time charging if you do lots of miles.
     

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