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1080p screens now on samsung.com

Discussion in 'TVs' started by NicolasB, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. NicolasB

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    There are loads of displays in the US that never make it over to the UK. :(

    It's just not fair. :D
     
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    :hiya:

    Well that link has confirmed what ive read elsewhere.
     
  6. NicolasB

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    Well, that's rather a stupid article, isn't it? :thumbsdow

    He makes the mistake that many people make of concentrating on the "p" rather than the "1080". It is quite true to say that 1080p broadcasts will not be with us for a long time yet, but something that matters a great deal is how a screen can handle 1080i.

    In order to display a 1080i picture with no loss of detail you need a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080. Your average 1024x768 42" plasma doesn't even come close to being able to do this. If your signal is 720p (1280x720) then you aren't downscaling by much. But if your signal is 1080i then you're losing more than half the information in the signal. Even a 1366x768 50" plasma (or smaller LCD) is still well short.

    What are the sources of 1080i? Well, Sky HD (we hope), D-Theatre, and next-gen disc players (BluRay, HD-DVD, etc.)

    In addition there are, of course, two existing sources of 1080p output. The first is the PC. The second is the result of deinterlacing a movie broadcast as 1080i back to its original 1080p/24 format - not all current scalers can manage it, but some can, and this is the best possible way to view material that started out as 24fps 35mm film (i.e. most cinema releases). With the advent of the Playstation 3 we will receive a third commonplace 1080p source - anyone playing a PS3 game at full resolution.
     
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    Sure I was all pumped to get a new Samsung 1080p set... until I read this and snapped back into reality.

    Maybe this will help some of you re-direct those funds to other purchases that are more 'usable' over the next few years like me.

    Ok - back to my next tech research project - Xbox 360 vs. PS3... heheh

    Oh - anyone have any idea IF/WHEN HD-DVD will emerge on the market?
     
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    Its ment to be at the end of 2005 but I havent seen any players being previewed yet. :confused:
     
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    Until you read what, exactly?
     
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    those new 1080p sets have been on the samsung website for ages, i dont think we'll get them over here for at least another year....and it'll be a waste of time purchasing anyway.................i used to believe the hype, but not any more. :thumbsdow

    i'll go for either a plasma or the sp50
     
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    The first 1080p sets were delivered only a few days ago, and the initial feedback sounds too good to ignore. Especially as it is often comparing a 1080p set with a 720p set fed with an SD source. The only downside being that VGA is the only 1080p-capable input. At the moment.

    People get too attached to the progressive in 1080p, forgetting that you cannot have a fixed pixel display that is not progressive. We are in just the same situation as with interlaced SD sources and progressive 480 line plasmas.

    The display simply has to do the de-interlacing, and when things move along a bit, there will be good, cheap blu-ray players and scalers that will do de-interlacing and up-conversion better than the display and offer a good upgrade path. Just as we now have today with SD.

    Who cares if it uses wobulation? Perhaps they should have done that all along; just as long as it WORKS.

    Pumped-up? I can hardly wait!

    Nick
     
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    That may be tricky if the screen can't accept a 1080p digital input signal. Converting to VGA may cause loss of quality.

    Having said that, scaling 720p to 1080p is a lot easier than scaling 1080i to 720p. And deinterlacing 1080i to 1080p is also easy so long as the original source was progressive. (Might get nasty if it wasn't).
     
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    Well what's the point in that then? Surely then you'll have to buy another 1080 TV in the future to enable 1080 on other inputs.
     
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    this tells us that 1080p is a waste of time for years to come
     
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    What I found most interesting about the above article was the comment:

    So a 1080p DLP screen is really only 960 x 1080p?
     
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    No, it isn't. Yes, there are only 960 mirrors in each row. But YES, they can produce 1920 discrete pixels of light at 1920 different points on the line. So they are true 1920. This is simply about the mechanics by which the DMD is laid out; not about its theoretical resolution.
     
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    I wont upgrade to a 1080p screen for a long while, I dont like the sound of wobblation. These DLP sets and HD is still in its infancy. Once 1080p material starts to be produced and manufactures have had a few years developing the technology then I will buy a true 1080p set. Untill then I am happy with my 720p/1080i DLP.
     
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    i dont like the sound of 1080p at all, it's too much of a botch job at the moment, wait about 4 years
     
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    Razor :hiya:

    Have to agree with you on that one Razor. I'll def wai till ive had skyhd and hd dvd a while and see what happens. I'll be happy with my sammy for a good few years yet. :D
     
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    br14n :hiya:

    Your sammy should last a good long while. They are lovelly sets. :thumbsup:

    I just can't wait for HD to be released [​IMG]
     
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    For possibly the 97th time: you will not be able to watch 1080i at anywhere even close to its full potential on DLP unless you buy a 1080p screen.
     
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    Do you know when the 1080P will appear in Europe ? and what price could we expect ?
     
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    yes i know, but i dont want to view anything at source in 1080p......until everything at source is 1080p.....i.e if dvd films are produced in 1080p, but Freeview is still transmitting at a lower resolution then i'm not interested..this is because i wont be watching that many DVDs..

    1080p is a waste of time anyway because Freeview wont be at 1080p for years to come and i bet DVD'S wont either!
     
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    Did one single person ever complain about not having 480p/576p material when they bought their 480p plasmas?

    No.

    Nick
     
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    I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I made some moments ago: you can't watch 1080i material to anywhere near its potential unless you have a 1080p screen (certain CRT devices excepted). If you watch 1080i on a 720p screen you are looking at an image with less than half the number of pixels that are in the original recording.
     

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