1080p panel-- DOES NOT EXIST!!

kolja1

Standard Member
No matter what they say at th moment no comercial LCDTV has input 1080p!!

Never seen !!

If somebody thinks differrently .. let me give some 100% proof!!
 

neilmcl

Member
I'm glad you felt the need to share :)

Not that I don't disagree or otherwise but why don't you back this statement up with the proof you talk about.
 

colinwheeler

Active Member

hornydragon

Well-known Member
kolja1 said:
No matter what they say at th moment no comercial LCDTV has input 1080p!!

Never seen !!

If somebody thinks differrently .. let me give some 100% proof!!
well ihave seen the 65GD1E which sharp claim to accept 1080p.....well thats what the rep said to just over 48 hours ago very impressive screen it is too
 
I'm think there are some Westinghouse LCDs over in the States that accept 1080p native.
 

colinwheeler

Active Member
Well, I saw the 65" 1080p Sharps in Harrods window and now Harrods have drool all over thier front window!!!:D

Very nice. Would not lay my head on a block about the exact resolution but the web site states it is and the screen looked :eek:
 

Prime

Active Member
There is no standard set for 1080p playback at 60hz, it does not exist.until it does then gaming would be useless, as would hi def sports formats.

You may get 1080p sets that support the current standards (1080p24, 1080p25 or 1080p30) which would be great for movies though.

I have mentioned this in a previous post:

"If you go to www.majornelson.com (it is a site about xbo360) and check out his podcast, one of his recent ones was all about HDTV, and the different standards used.

It's about an hour long, and they mention the fact that the 1080p (at least at 60hz) standard does not exist at the moment (even the highest end recorders $50,000 sony ones) do not do this. So as mentioned a lot of sets that do 1080p, simply de-interlace the 1080i.

Because of the lack of 60hz, it really isn't suitable for sports or gaming, but admittedly would look great for film.

It's a good informative listen, and you really learn a lot in those 60 mins

Found a direct link at http://feeds.feedburner.com/MajorNelsonblogcast-wma it's
http://media.majornelson.com/blogcas...dtvone-wma.wma
"

It really is very informative about the different formats, and answers a lot of questions.
 

hornydragon

Well-known Member
Prime said:
Because of the lack of 60hz, it really isn't suitable for sports or gaming, but admittedly would look great for film.

Whats wrong with 50Hz? or 75Hz? 1920x1080 @ 60Hz can be output by some high end scalers and similarly hi resolutions are used in specific Computer (note not PC) based apps

Here is a 1920x1080 @ 60Hz capable PC based video source graphics engine http://www.es.com/resources/simfusion6500.pdf
 

Prime

Active Member
hornydragon said:
Whats wrong with 50Hz? or 75Hz? 1920x1080 @ 60Hz can be output by some high end scalers and similarly hi resolutions are used in specific Computer (note not PC) based apps

Here is a 1920x1080 @ 60Hz capable PC based video source graphics engine http://www.es.com/resources/simfusion6500.pdf

There is nothing wrong with 50hz

Iwas simply stating that at the moment the fastest 1080p standard is 30hz, this is unsuitable for sports and the like. That is why in the states, of the 2 formats the channels that show sports Fox etc use 720p60, whereas those that don't and only really show non sports programming use 1080i(discovery, nbc)
nbc is currently showing the winter olympics in 1080i, and by all accounts (like listening to the afforementioned podcast) it looks terrible.

Once a standard for 1080p60 is developed and ratified, then I have no doubt it will look superb for games and sports, but this is years off form this, and it being available in affordable sets.

In the meantime 1080p will only be useful for films, and by all accounts it is stunning for this.
 

colinwheeler

Active Member
hornydragon said:
Whats wrong with 50Hz? or 75Hz? 1920x1080 @ 60Hz can be output by some high end scalers and similarly hi resolutions are used in specific Computer (note not PC) based apps[/url]

I seem to have found a number of graphics cards for PC architecture, albeit highend cards that will output 1080p at up to 65Hz. Not sure if some of them will do it faster. I am sure these cards will output via DVI but know that both ATI and NVIDIA are going to be releasing HDMI interfaces on thier cards soon. Thus will 1080p come to the PC (if it is not already here) so bring on vista and a 65" screen. I can do my email from across the channel then!:D
 

ianh64

Novice Member
My 18 months old Loewe Xelos SL/HD accepts 1080p/50 via HDMI->DVI. I can post proof if you want using output from my upscaling DVD player. Its just a shame that the motion is not very smooth although to be honest its wasted on a 32" 1366x768 display and I cannot see any improvement over 720p - infact its probably a slightly softer picture.
 

ianh64

Novice Member
Prime said:
There is no standard set for 1080p playback at 60hz, it does not exist.until it does then gaming would be useless, as would hi def sports formats.

You may get 1080p sets that support the current standards (1080p24, 1080p25 or 1080p30) which would be great for movies though.
The following have been optional timings for HDMI since atleast HDMI 1.1

• 720(1440)x240p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 2880x480i @ 59.94/60Hz
• 2880x240p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 1440x480p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 720(1440)x288p @ 50Hz
• 2880x576i @ 50Hz
• 2880x288p @ 50Hz
• 1440x576p @ 50Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 50Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 23.98/24Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 25Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 29.97/30Hz

I think that you will see that 1080p at both 50Hz and 60Hz are standards. Being optional, manufacturers are under no obligation to support them.
 

po_man

Active Member
kolja1 said:
If somebody thinks differrently .. let me give some 100% proof!!

kolja1!?! where are you?? It looks like you may have been proved wrong! :rotfl:

Just out of interest, what was the point of this thread?
 

ianh64

Novice Member
Very rough and ready screen shots for proof that 1080p is nothing new.

Disc is Pirates of the Carribean. DVD player is Meridian G98 - 2 years old. Display is Loewe Xelos 32 SL/HD - 18 months old.

1080p is dipicted by not having an 'i' after the resolution in the scren info - ie 1920x1080 instead of 1920x1080i. All at 50Hz. 720p is there for comparison.
 

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Prime

Active Member
ianh64 said:
The following have been optional timings for HDMI since atleast HDMI 1.1

• 720(1440)x240p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 2880x480i @ 59.94/60Hz
• 2880x240p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 1440x480p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 59.94/60Hz
• 720(1440)x288p @ 50Hz
• 2880x576i @ 50Hz
• 2880x288p @ 50Hz
• 1440x576p @ 50Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 50Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 23.98/24Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 25Hz
• 1920x1080p @ 29.97/30Hz

I think that you will see that 1080p at both 50Hz and 60Hz are standards. Being optional, manufacturers are under no obligation to support them.


But 1080p/60 does not exist as a broadcast standard. You cannot go out and buy a highend professional TV camera for example that will record in this format 1080p/30 yes, but not 60.

Once standards are fixed then this will be great but given it uses 4 times the bandwidth of 720p, it could take a while to get everyone to agree.
 

hornydragon

Well-known Member
Prime said:
But 1080p/60 does not exist as a broadcast standard. You cannot go out and buy a highend professional TV camera for example that will record in this format 1080p/30 yes, but not 60.
Cameras are NOT the only source........... i think we have given enough examples of 1920x1080 progressive, it may not be broadcast but it exists
Ithink its this and above where dua link DVi and optical only kick in
 

Prime

Active Member
hornydragon said:
Cameras are NOT the only source........... i think we have given enough examples of 1920x1080 progressive, it may not be broadcast but it exists
Ithink its this and above where dua link DVi and optical only kick in


I understand that, but a lot of people will be buying an HDTV primarily to watch TV, then it will be ages til this becomes possible.

Also while it obviously is possible to output it, is there any sets available that can actually take a 1080p(60) signal, or do they simply still take 1080i and deinterlace it? i'm sure that is the cas from what research i have done.
 

hornydragon

Well-known Member
Prime said:
I understand that, but a lot of people will be buying an HDTV primarily to watch TV, then it will be ages til this becomes possible.

Also while it obviously is possible to output it, is there any sets available that can actually take a 1080p(60) signal, or do they simply still take 1080i and deinterlace it? i'm sure that is the cas from what research i have done.
Only a handful can accept it without downscaling, and it will be a long time before it is widespread, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist or isnt possible. I am sure Colour TV was a distant pipe dream not to long ago.
 

Prime

Active Member
hornydragon said:
Only a handful can accept it without downscaling, and it will be a long time before it is widespread, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist or isnt possible. I am sure Colour TV was a distant pipe dream not to long ago.


my point was simply that why pay a premium for a not yet available product, when you could no doubt get the same spec for a lot cheaper when the content becomes available, after all it is not part of the HD ready spec, so seems a waste of cash at the moment.

In the meantime you get the same size set for a lot less. And given that it apparantly takes a massive screen before the difference between 720p and 1080p becomes really noticeable, it just seems to be on peoples wishlist for thee sake of it rather than the practicality of it. (and yes when I first started researching, I immediately thought I must have 1080p set, but my thoughts changed for the reasons I have mentioned)

rant over.:rolleyes:
 

hornydragon

Well-known Member
Prime said:
(and yes when I first started researching, I immediately thought I must have 1080p set, but my thoughts changed for the reasons I have mentioned)

rant over.:rolleyes:
I think you are the only person i know who has thought that, the £12k 65" Sharp GD1E is the fist 1080p capable and native res (1920x1080) screen i have seen bt not with a 1080p feed to comapre to a 1080i or 720p
 

Prime

Active Member
hornydragon said:
I think you are the only person i know who has thought that, the £12k 65" Sharp GD1E is the fist 1080p capable and native res (1920x1080) screen i have seen bt not with a 1080p feed to comapre to a 1080i or 720p

Thought what? to get a 1080p set?

just seemed a natural, for any sort of gadget you buy you always look to see what is the best, obviously these forums helped me decide after that.

Question though would a 1080 set look worse on given a sd signal, due to more scaling involved?
 

colinwheeler

Active Member
Most probably but I don't know. My point about the PC I feel was valid. When Vista ships there will be a properly scalable UI with graphics cards that will be able to output 1080p at 60hz+ so it would be good for somebody like me who uses my LCD as a computer monitor. At the moment on my 32" I need to be quite close to the screen but with the Sharp and Vista, I could be sitting on the other side of the room no problem. About the cost :eek: . I guess I will have to wait a while or I will have a divorse forsed on me.:D
 

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