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1:85 2:35 1:78 please explain

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by bigjonnyauk, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. bigjonnyauk

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    right i am getting slightly confused by all the ratios and anamorphic and non anamorphic

    can some one please explain in simple terms for me

    which is the one which is really really slim across the screen (cuz i wanna avoid these you cant hardly see them lol

    1:78 is this fullscreen

    2:35 is this in between the 2 (my young lad (6) zooms these in to make full screen i think

    anamorphic and non anamorphic

    and whats 16x9 enhanced which i keep seeing

    i roughly know but always forget and have ordered a couple of wrong versions from dvd soon and it bugging me so im gonna cut and paste answers here and save em



    thanks
     
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    1.33:1 is full-frame (i.e the same shape as your classic "square" TV)

    1.66:1 is somewhere between fullframe and 16:9 (seen on some disney releases).

    1.78:1 is what quite a number of animated titles are framed at, it's almost the same dimensions as a widescreen TV screen.

    1.85:1 is the same as 16:9, and is exactly the right dimensions to fit a widescreen TV screen. Movies such as Jurassic Park/Saving Private Ryan were all shot in this ratio.

    2.35:1 is the classic "really slim" framing that you refer to, seen on movies such as Star Wars/Die Hard etc.

    2.40:1 is even narrower....but the difference isn't noticeable between 2.35:1.

    There are some older movies with more extreme aspect ratios but these are rare (Ben Hur I think being one, but not 100% sure).

    As for ordering the "wrong" versions, generally DVD releases will be either in their native theatrical ratio (if a movie was released in 2.35:1 you won't be able to choose between that and 1.85:1 for example) or pan and scan (1.33:1).

    16x9 enhanced means it's an anamorphic release. Anamorphic means that DVDs are enhanced to offer greater resolution on widescreen TVs - you get a much improved picture on a widescreen set.

    The bottom line is...buy a widescreen TV! It's the only way to watch movies imho.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Matt
     
  4. bigjonnyauk

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    The bottom line is...buy a widescreen TV! It's the only way to watch movies imho.

    i have a tosh 32 inch w/screen mate also you say 2:35:1 is the really slim one like the die hards well i got the ultimate collection which is that ratio but it aint really slim only zoom it once but i had one (cant remember ratio but zoomed about 3 times to fill screen ??? lol
     
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    Hmm not sure which movie that would be then, mostly DVDs are framed at around 1.85:1 or 2.35:1. As I say there are exceptions, but these are few and far between as far as I know.

    I don't mean to patronise, but are you sure you didn't use the "stretch" mode instead of zoom by accident?
     
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    You're watching Die Hard in the wrong ratio. Leave it in WIDE mode.. and watch any anamorphic 2:35 or 1:85 movie in that ratio.
     
  7. bigjonnyauk

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    i do watch in their ratio mate its the boy hes only 6 and he likes a big picture i think he is becoming some kind of flipping film critic he say it a waste of tele with bars on top and bottom so he likes the full pic he watches more dvds than me then loves to come and tell me all the god bits and rubbish bits

    its like living with a film reveiwer
     
  8. Smurfin

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    Your 6 year old son is watching Die Hard:eek: LOL

    Tell him to be grateful that he can watch TV in the first place;)
     
  9. bigjonnyauk

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    no die hard is mine today he watched the mask and scooby doo

    but hes seen die hard on the tele anyways he likes the action stuff and comedy

    he loves big momas house and blue streak and most of my fools and horses

    dont worry i wouldnt let him watch the nasty or scary stuff but to be honest something like die hard isnt to bad yeah its got guns and violence

    so has power rangers
    indiana jones
    the computer games he plays

    hes a good boy anyway (always cleans the disc with a cloth and puts it away nicely when hes done lol
     
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    LOL:D Now that's what I call education:clap: :lesson::smashin:
     
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    Just to be really anal and nitpik, it's 1.78:1 that should fill a widescreen TV exactly, as 16/9=1.777.

    A 1.85:1 movie should appear on a widescreen display with small horizontal bars at the top and bottom, unless you have really horrendous overscan.

    I think Ben Hur was filmed in 2.85 or 3:1 although i could be wrong.

    Sean :)
     
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    Pretty close, SeaneyC - Ben Hur was filmed in 2.76:1
     
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    This was probably a 2.35:1 movie that was not anamorphically enhanced. I do not zoom the movies on my tv as i prefer to watch them in oar but if i have a 2:35 film that is not anamorphically enhanced then i have to set my tv (toshiba) to cinema mode which stretches the picture to get it to look right. If i set my tv to cinema mode with a 2.35:1 ratio that is anamorphically enhanced then the characters on the film look oblong.
     
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    Can someone please explain WHY are there so many damned sizes? Is it anything more than not-invented-here?

    For instance, where the hell does 16:9 come from? It seems from the little looking I've done that most films are 2.35:1? And why can't they standardise on 2.35:1 instead of splintering into these numerous other sizes?

    Smurfin's post above lists the various options and their use, but I wonder jusy WHY some clowns had to re-invent the wheel on so many occasions. :confused:
     
  15. Smurfin

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    It's directors preference pure and simple. Personally I don't mind either, and prefer different formats depending on the movie. LOTR for example, would be criminal in 1.85:1. 2.35:1 more of that "epic" feel.
     
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    Hi,

    16:9 (1.78:1) is really a sort of compromise between the standard TV ratio of 1.33:1 and the 'scope ratio of 2.35:1. Cinemascope 2.35:1 was introduced in 1953 to get people back into cinemas after the general introduction of TV and their "square" pictures. It seems to have had a bit of a revival in recent years and appears to be more popular than 1.85:1 "flat" films now. Hope this helps.

    Steve
     
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    i like scope ratio...... if only someone would make me a scoped ratio panel for a digital projector! :D

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    New WS owners always seem to confuse TV with cinema.
    As if WS TV was invented to cater soley for hollywood films, it was NOT.

    They are two completely different mediums (obviously!).
    16:9 is a practical ratio in technical terms to use in digital tv broadcasting and also allows backward compatibility with 4:3 TV.

    It has nothing to do with hollywood film directors and their choice of ARs.
     
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    Unfortunately, this is not necessarily what widescreen manufacturers/sellers lead the unknowing consumer to believe..... you go into your shop and i bet that the salesperson will tell you that digital tv and films and dvds and all are widescreen (which is often correct) yet fail to mention (or appreciate) that widescreen itself has different ratios. The whole aspect ratios thing is a mess that seems to be glazed over as best as possible without acually addressing it and explaining to the consumer how things actually are.

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    Thanks Buns, you've verbalised what I was trying to say perfectly. :D
     
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    But how much of TV is WORTH viewing at ANY ratio? :devil:
     
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    It would help if they (retailers) actually showed some 16:9 DTV sometimes, rather than stretched analogue 4:3 :rolleyes:
     
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    another interesting point is that many of the popular shows on digital tv wont actually be widescreen..... because they will be older prints so still in 4:3 format..... having bought a widescreen tv..... i would be tempted to buy 4:3 next time..... i reckon that 3/4 of the time i will be watching with either bars at the side or top or bottom. I reckon with a 4:3 tv, that would be reduced to about 1/2 or 1/3 of the time.....

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    Can anyone explain why there is more than one shape of car?!!
    I mean they all go from A to B? Why do we need so many different designs?

    The answer to this and the aspect ratio question are simply that the people who make them have their own preferences.

    bigjonnyauk - your 6 year old won't appreciate concepts like 'watching the movie as the director intended it to be watched'. I.e. the proper - and for lots of people - the ONLY way to watch a movie.
    Which is the point of watching movie in widescreen.
    Zooming in on a movie just so it fits your TV is like having a bath with a mac on. You're interfering with the way things SHOULD be done. It just don't feel the same.
     
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    speaks a man of experience :D

    While i totally agree..... i wish more directors intended the same thing! :D

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    Then to further muddy the waters, there's films shot in open matte then framed to specific ratio's.

    For video release, often the material is shown full frame with no loss of onscreen data.
     
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    Except it doesn't look as good.
     
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    er..but you can watch a 4:3 programme within a 16:9 frame.

    With a WS TV you get the best of both worlds.

    Watch the picture and not the black borders and you're almost there.

    I really don't understand what all the fuss is about :confused:
     
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    And complete with additional data like boom mics :p
     
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    my point is that if we know we will have to put up with a framed image, we might as well have the biggest screen..... which is a 4:3 one. In so doing, for me anyhow, i would watch less material that would have bars on it.

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