OK... £800 to spend... Room is 5M * 4M, Sony Cheapo STRDB1070, Tosh 50WH18B, I listen mainly to movies, have knackered ears from working in nightclubs/motorbikes etc, but do like to occasionally listen to music, and may listen more if the speakers are upto it. I find a lack of treble seems to make everything sound dull and give a limited soundstage/spatial effect... (You know what I mean) I currently have *cough* Sony SAV-E705 Pascals, which although clearly lacking in the music department, are not bad at 5.1, the satellites give good spatiality, and the sub in a 4*5 room when positioned can be felt very much through the chair... Whats important to me is 1. Spatial effect... they need to give a very wide soundstage(Is this the right term) and the effects need to sound very localised. 2. Impact, Terminator 2, the gunshots when arnie is protecting the kid from the other terminator in the hallway in the need to be 'felt', but this doesn;t mean loud, I like the subtlety, just want some impact when necessary 3 (For the missus) - Black boxes are a no-no. not sure if it can be done on budget.. I've demo'd some, but need more input Sub/Sat range A. Sony 835ED pascals - brash but excellent impact, I liked the 'oomph' from the sub, but I feel they lack in the music department. and the cost saved could go on £300 sub B. KEF KHT2005 / SIB CUB's - Demo-d them both and they are a little lacking in the impact department, but sound OK for music to my ears. They also sounded a little closed in and muddled, the 5.1 effects where hard to pinpoint, and didn;lt seem to travel much, listening to a DD5.1 disk I brough in, It didn;t make me instantly buy these on the spot.. Normal range 1. Mission M74i's (Should blend OK either side of TV) / M7C2 (Silver) / M7DS rears (Silver) - haven't demo'd them, but feel large speakers are 2 large for the room? the missus will be OK on the M74's.. cos she'll have to like it or lump it... This leaves plenty again for a Sub... 2. Any other suggestions for the budget??? This is where I am stuck.. B+W are a little more then I can afford.. (603's + LCR600 + 600 rears = £1200) and have demo'd them , and although v loud with impact, seem too much, and you just end up turning them down... if this helps people realise what I am looking for. I want as many recommended setups as poss for the budget.,.. Its awful buying in the dark.. and I can't trust demo's too much, since we demo'd a load of kit the other day, me, two mates, (One has the B+W setup), and the Sub/Sats sounded awful... no bass, no impact, crap effects... We all agreed the shop must be doing these things a major injustice. I have a suspicion that my ears are so bad now that I seem to like the brash cheaper stuff for some reason, all this warm/smooth description is perhaps no good for me (Boo Hoo) I reckon the galloways with a big sub would be ideal... but I did mention the £800 budget didn't I?