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£4000 Denon AVC-A1XV - No RF input. Why?

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  1. pemberto

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    Just had a look at the manual for the US version 5805 and was shocked to see the following:
    NOTE:
    • Connecting a LD (laser disc) player with a Dolby
    Digital RF Output.
    The AVR-5805 does not have a DD RF demodulator
    function. Therefore, you need to use a commercially
    available outboard DD RF demodulator and connect its
    digital output to one of the AVR-5805 available digital
    inputs. Refer to the demodulator’s owner’s manual for
    further information.

    I had seen the photo's of this unit for a while and I noted that it didn't have an RF socket, but I was hoping that it would be a user option for the digital inputs. But No, they have left it off. What a same. I was all set to upgrade my AVC-A1SR. :thumbsdow

    Anyone from Denon what to comment...
     
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    Laserdisc is dead so its not surprising that they are not adding this function...
     
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    Laserdisc maybe dead, but people still have working laserdisc players with rare films on the format that still cannot be obtained on DVD.
    Besides, some of the original DD/DTS laserdiscs arguably sound much better than their DVD equivalents (Jurassic Park?).

    I don't own an LD machine, but I can imagine how this decision will infuriate some people.
    Surely on a £4000 flagship machine they don't have to cut corners to keep the cost down.

    I think Denon is thinking less and less about its customers.
    I remember clearly the mess when Denon introduced Denon Link, and endless firmware problems with their flagship DVD players.
    Leaving of the RF input for laserdisc fans is another example of this.
     
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    Jules, You hit nail right on the head. You would think for a flagship product they would have included all the functionality of the previous model.

    Whilst I don't have a large laserdisc collection, I don't want to get rid of it. All I can say is what a shame. The only other thing is who still makes RF demodulators?
     
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    This really does not seem right. I DO have a laserdisc player and a (K)AVC-A1SE (with RF Input), this now means that I cannot upgrade to another Denon model as I have laserdiscs such as Star Wars the Definitie Edition that will NEVER be released on DVD. Oh well I guess that Denon do not want my money any more? :eek: :mad:

    Ian.
     
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    But take the market as whole and how many actually use this feature then i think its time to drop it. I`ll put money on other manufactures following this action sooner rather than later. Price of progress
     
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    I strongly disagree. This is a very expensive flagship product and it should cater for every need. It doesn't. Big mistake Mr Denon.

    On a low or mid range product.... fair doo's, but not on a 4 grand amp.
    It will hurt them soon as Denon fans (like me) move elsewhere.
    Too expensive, too short sighted. :thumbsdow
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Surely they could offer it as a factory fitted upgrade (like Meridian) & charge a nominal fee for those who want it? It seems they are more commited to making products future proof & disregarding retro-proof (does that make sense? :confused: )

    Regards Dan :)

    P.s hope to hear this in action at the What Hi-Fi show tomorrow.
     
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    I agree with this too :)
     
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    So there's no RF Demodulator. Just buy a seperate one, it's hardly the end of the world. Laserdisc is a dead format as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Im sure that would make financial sense for the handfull of people who would want this done....Could you imagine how much denon would charge for that based on the numbers required....Ouch

    Maybe they should of left off HDMI switching and kept the old stuff :suicide:
     
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    I think most of us would agree that if you have the money to burn on one of these units then the cost of a separate RF Demodulator is not a big issue.

    But I think the argument here is that this is a flagship amp, and for the price that is being asked you would expect to have the same features as the previous flagship model and a lot more.

    I know people keep saying that Laserdisc is dead and that we should all move on, but people made an investment in that platform and in some cases have films that are not available on DVD. I suppose you could also argue that composite video is old hat and we should all move on....

    I just think it’s a same that they did not include this as an option.
     
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    So in 20yrs time the amps will still have to cater for every type of feature that went before it? Sooner or later a decision will have to be made about dropping older features. Composite is still popular, RF modulation is not.

    It is a pain if you have older kit, but there are viable options.
     

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