£300 - 5.1 setup needed.

Gingerbread Man

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I've got £300 to spend on a 5.1 speaker setup to match an Onkyo 607 amp. The main use will be for films, but it will be the only stereo in my main lounge, so also used for music.

I started out my search looking at 5.1 speaker packages;

Harman Kardon HKTS11
KEF KHT1005.2
Onkyo SKSHT728
Jamo A102
TANNOY SFX5.1

To name but a few.


After reading up on here in a desperate attempt to narrow down my search and come close to buying something, I've read that satellite speakers are a good compromise for sound quality and size, but for better quality through and through, to get floor standing/ bookshelf speakers.

Problem being, I want the best setup for my money (who doesn't!?), yet I don't have much room at the rear for two big speakers.

This leaves me with a dilemma. £300 in the big scheme of things, probably isn't that much money for a speaker setup. I'm more than happy to scour eBay/classifies to find a bargain.

Buying a 5.1 all in speaker package is easy and will all fit in. Comes all in one box, within budget, all speakers designed to work in harmony, happy days. But will I be sacrificing quality (would I even notice it!?).
 
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scottish nutter

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iv got the jamo speakers and they sound very good with my onkyo 706 amp, got mines delivered for about £170 new about 10 months ago, think the have jumped up to about £220-£250 but they are well worth the money, as for noticing the difference in quality, if you have never heard a top of the range set of floor standing speakers then you wont know if there is any difference in the quality so it wont realy matter to you, i have never so i dont realy care :D
 

Gingerbread Man

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if you have never heard a top of the range set of floor standing speakers then you wont know if there is any difference in the quality so it wont really matter to you

I think this is very true deep down and I'm pretty sure any speakers will do for me, I'm just wanting to get the best for my money.

I've heard good things about the Kef Eggs and the Jamos, not herd much at all about the Harman Kardons.
 

Passingbat

Distinguished Member
The main use will be for films, but it will be the only stereo in my main lounge, so also used for music.

I would try to find an extra £50 and go for these:

WHARFEDALE DIAMOND 9 HCP HOME CINEMA SPEAKER SYSTEM (LIMITED EDITION, WALNUT FINISH) - available from Superfi UK Visit http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/product_id/4281 for details

For music, the speakers that you listed will struggle an these will work pretty well. I have a pair of these Wharefdale Diamond 9.0s attached to a micro system and the perform really well for music considering their size. The onkyo amp is a good amp to pair with them as they will match tonally.

These were a £500 set, which are discounted due to the diamond 10 range.

The speakers you originally listed are a more appropriate match for the level below onkyo, the 507.
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member


As poor a reason as it sounds, the wood is too dark for the room. They'll stand out like a sore thumb unfortunately. I see that no other colours are available.

Lame I know, but it's not only me who has to live with them!
 

Passingbat

Distinguished Member
As poor a reason as it sounds, the wood is too dark for the room. They'll stand out like a sore thumb unfortunately. I see that no other colours are available.

Lame I know, but it's not only me who has to live with them!

You would need to ring for a stock enquiry, but would silver work at £300 for the same speaker?

WHARFEDALE DIAMOND 9 HCP HOME CINEMA SPEAKER SYSTEM - available from Superfi UK Visit http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/product_id/2210 for details
 

UX50

Standard Member
As poor a reason as it sounds, the wood is too dark for the room. They'll stand out like a sore thumb unfortunately. I see that no other colours are available.

Lame I know, but it's not only me who has to live with them!

LOL - I've just spent a week laying a new maple floor in my living room, purchased a lovely AV amp, and now buying speakers, and 'she who must be obeyed' must have speakers that match the floor colour !!!:facepalm:
 

safcalibur

Distinguished Member
Hi mate,

I'm currently running the HKTS7's which i think are the smaller version of the hkts11 you refer to. All i can say is that they are not bad. Not great, but not bad either. They lack some clarity, esp the centre as dialogue can seem muddy at times, and dont really provide an enveloping sound stage. They're not terribly good with music either. I mean they do the job but dont blow you away.

Is there anyway you can buy floorstanders for the fronts and sats for the back? If so then getting a pair of these:

Exceptional-AV.co.uk : : Specialists in Onkyo's award winning Hifi and home theatre systems

would do you good.

You can upgrade in stages, as and when you have the money and getting these initially would be a good starting point. Then you could buy a centre follwed by the surrounds.

You can have a look at more floorstanders here:

Floor Standing Speakers at Superfi Online - http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/category.cfm/Category/98

The Missions and Acousticc Aegis wouls also be a good bet.

Or did you want a 5.1 speaker package straight away?

Cheers

Saf
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member
Hi mate,

I'm currently running the HKTS7's which i think are the smaller version of the hkts11 you refer to. All i can say is that they are not bad. Not great, but not bad either. They lack some clarity, esp the centre as dialogue can seem muddy at times, and dont really provide an enveloping sound stage. They're not terribly good with music either. I mean they do the job but dont blow you away.

Is there anyway you can buy floorstanders for the fronts and sats for the back? If so then getting a pair of these:

Exceptional-AV.co.uk : : Specialists in Onkyo's award winning Hifi and home theatre systems

would do you good.

You can upgrade in stages, as and when you have the money and getting these initially would be a good starting point. Then you could buy a centre follwed by the surrounds.

You can have a look at more floorstanders here:

Floor Standing Speakers at Superfi Online - http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/category.cfm/Category/98

The Missions and Acousticc Aegis wouls also be a good bet.

Or did you want a 5.1 speaker package straight away?

Cheers

Saf


Ideally I wanted 5.1 from the start as it's a film setup over music. I could always sell speakers and upgrade over time, but I want the setup for films from the get go.

I couldn't find many reviews on the HKTS7 or HKTS11's so didn't know what to think, put me off them as I was buying blind.
 

scottish nutter

Active Member
As poor a reason as it sounds, the wood is too dark for the room. They'll stand out like a sore thumb unfortunately. I see that no other colours are available.

Lame I know, but it's not only me who has to live with them!


its not a lame excuse, i wouldnt buy them either because of the colour, if they were in black then i would be intrested if i was looking for some speakers (or should i say if she would let me spend some money) :rotfl:
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member
A question.

How far do the rear speakers need to be away from a person sitting on the viewing area (sofa)?

The TV in on one wall with plenty of room for any size speakers.

The sofa is opposite on the rear wall, maybe 10" front the rear wall to the back of the sofa.

There is a desk to the left which minimises room for speakers. I could put a speaker on the desk, but if you sat in either corner of the sofa, the back left/ right speakers would be quite near your head, ~2ft maybe?

with this in mind, I thought it would be easier to get smaller rear speakers for placement issues, that is all.
 

scottish nutter

Active Member
A question.

How far do the rear speakers need to be away from a person sitting on the viewing area (sofa)?

The TV in on one wall with plenty of room for any size speakers.

The sofa is opposite on the rear wall, maybe 10" front the rear wall to the back of the sofa.

There is a desk to the left which minimises room for speakers. I could put a speaker on the desk, but if you sat in either corner of the sofa, the back left/ right speakers would be quite near your head, ~2ft maybe?

with this in mind, I thought it would be easier to get smaller rear speakers for placement issues, that is all.

your amp should be able to ajust the volume of each speaker to suit the distance, if you go for floor standing front speakers the small jamos for the back would still be good and dont take up much space, think they are about 4inches each way
 

Vicarious_Eyes

Active Member
LOL - I've just spent a week laying a new maple floor in my living room, purchased a lovely AV amp, and now buying speakers, and 'she who must be obeyed' must have speakers that match the floor colour !!!:facepalm:

Schoolboy error!

Speakers first, decorating second! :facepalm:
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member
your amp should be able to ajust the volume of each speaker to suit the distance, if you go for floor standing front speakers the small jamos for the back would still be good and dont take up much space, think they are about 4inches each way


I knew that the amp would auto adjust them, I just didn't know if the speakers were too close for the auto adjust to take any effect.

If not, maybe I'll squeeze some backs in then.


Cheers.
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member
I've started on the ebay hunt. I've found myself looking more and more at the bigger speakers as opposed to the small satellite and just finding the space for the rear speakers! Still smaller rears as possible would be best.

I've been looking at a lot of Mordaunt Shorts stuff due to recommendation from a friend.
Mainly the Avant range with floor standing fronts, bookshelf rears and a centre. I might spent my money there and buy a sub later on when I gather more funds.

I'm also watching the odd Alumni and Genie 5.1 setup that comes along by the same people as space wise, it would fit easier....(but who said life was easy!)


I was probably going to stick to one brand for the lot, basicly it's easier on my behalf.
 

ghking3

Standard Member
others will say differently, but the pioneers are good, well the model i have(sig)are;), havnt been able to experience the others as they too pricey, but id imagine them to be quite good also :smashin:.

my set can be had for around £100, google them if theyd seem interesting, probly get the next models up for not much more, mine arnt the best, but they are pretty decent, but i do have an old receiver, so could be holding them back alittle.
 

Passingbat

Distinguished Member
I've started on the ebay hunt. I've found myself looking more and more at the bigger speakers as opposed to the small satellite and just finding the space for the rear speakers! Still smaller rears as possible would be best.

I've been looking at a lot of Mordaunt Shorts stuff due to recommendation from a friend.
Mainly the Avant range with floor standing fronts, bookshelf rears and a centre. I might spent my money there and buy a sub later on when I gather more funds.

I'm also watching the odd Alumni and Genie 5.1 setup that comes along by the same people as space wise, it would fit easier....(but who said life was easy!)

I was probably going to stick to one brand for the lot, basicly it's easier on my behalf.

I'm a big fan of Mordaunt short speakers, but just be aware that they are bright tonally and also your Onkyo amp is bright. MS speakers work really well with warm amps such as Denon or Yamaha, but could cause an overly bright sound with Onkyo.

Having said that, some people do pair bright amps with them, but if you could try to listen to such a combination before buying, that would be good.

If you do go with the MS speakers, the Avants are the ones to go for over the Genies
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member
I'm a big fan of Mordaunt short speakers, but just be aware that they are bright tonally and also your Onkyo amp is bright. MS speakers work really well with warm amps such as Denon or Yamaha, but could cause an overly bright sound with Onkyo.

Having said that, some people do pair bright amps with them, but if you could try to listen to such a combination before buying, that would be good.

If you do go with the MS speakers, the Avants are the ones to go for over the Genies


Now the word 'bright' to describe sound means nothing to me. A quick run though of how setup's can sound would be good, I need to catch on!

I've not brought the speakers or amp yet, so I'm still open to suggestions, it's just that I have the amp basicly sorted, just need to part with the cash!

I was looking at Denon amps - 1910. If I can pick one up second hand, I think that this might be a slightly better buy than the Onkyo. The Onkyo I can buy off the shelf for my budget is all.
 

Passingbat

Distinguished Member
Now the word 'bright' to describe sound means nothing to me. A quick run though of how setup's can sound would be good, I need to catch on!

I've not brought the speakers or amp yet, so I'm still open to suggestions, it's just that I have the amp basicly sorted, just need to part with the cash!

I was looking at Denon amps - 1910. If I can pick one up second hand, I think that this might be a slightly better buy than the Onkyo. The Onkyo I can buy off the shelf for my budget is all.

Bright sounding amps and speakers emphasise the treble frequencies and have a clinical sound. Warm amps sound more mellow and have a slight emphisis on the midrange/bass frequencies. Bright sounds can sound exciting, but can become tiring if listening for a long time. Warm can sometimes seem to lack a little detail.

Because of this, it's common practice to pair bright with warm amd warm with bright so that you get the best of both worlds, so to speak. It's not that simple, but that's the gist of it.

The Mordaunt shorth speakers are bright, so you would pair them with the warm sounding dennon or Yamaha amps.

The 1910 would be a very good choice for the MS speakers. Equally good would be the Yamaha 765, which you may find cheaper.

In the brand new amps, in order of price, there is the £270 Yamaha 565, the £290 Denon 1610, the £350 Yamaha 765 and the £400 denon 1910.

All the amps have 4 HDMI inputs and are 7.1 except the Denon 1610 which is a 5.1 amp and has 3 HDMI inputs.
 

Gingerbread Man

Active Member
I was looking for an amp with the HDMI upscaling ability to minimise the about of cables on show running up to the tv.

I'll try for a Denon amp, the 1910 is only in my price range second hand. The Onkyo is in my range brand new. What's the Yamaha like?

So Mordaunt Shorts with a Denon amp is fine.

What speaks to pair with a Onkyo amp?
 

Passingbat

Distinguished Member
I was looking for an amp with the HDMI upscaling ability to minimise the about of cables on show running up to the tv.

I'll try for a Denon amp, the 1910 is only in my price range second hand. The Onkyo is in my range brand new. What's the Yamaha like?

So Mordaunt Shorts with a Denon amp is fine.

What speaks to pair with a Onkyo amp?

Mordaunt Short with denon or Yamaha is fine.

To reduce the amount of cabling, you only need an amp that has upconversion. All the amps i listed have that. All apart from the Denon 1610 also have upscaling, but upscaling on an amp in that price range (and above) will be no better than your TV, so only upconversion is important.

Of the amps that do upscale, the Onkyo 607 only upscales to 1080i and has not had good reviews for it's upscaling. The yamaha 565, 765, and Denon 1910 upscale to 1080p. But I really wouldn't worry about upscaling.

You would pair neutral or warm speakers with the Onkyo amp.

Neutral: Q Acoustics, Acoustic energy, KEF are good ones.

Warm: I would look for the tannoy Mercury F series.
 

Passingbat

Distinguished Member
I knew that I'd forgoten a speaker; the wharefdale speakers, which are the warm side of neutral will be good with the Onkyo amps. Look for the Diamond 9 series which has just been replaced by the 10 series.
 

Gingerbread Man

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I knew that I'd forgoten a speaker; the wharefdale speakers, which are the warm side of neutral will be good with the Onkyo amps. Look for the Diamond 9 series which has just been replaced by the 10 series.

Already dismissed these unfortunately, they're sadly the wrong colour!
 

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