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£1600 to spend. Which 32"TV

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by bazzae123, Aug 15, 2003.

  1. bazzae123

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    Ok, I've been around all the stores looking at the various sets and to be honest the pictures all looked scrap in the stores. So its going to have to be a personal recommendation.
    On my list are :-

    Toshiba 32ZP38
    Panasonic TX-32PD30
    Philips 32PW9308

    I was originally going to go for the Toshiba but I'm not sure about the styling. The Panasonic is my next option but having just read the reviews in Septembers "What Video" it complains of smearing. It also puts this set up against the Philips which it says is better.

    Now, having spent days reading most of the threads on this site relating to these sets I'm totally confused.

    I thought buying a TV was supposed to be a nice experience. It was easier deciding to get married.

    Any advice from owners of these set or any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Budget is £1600

    Regards

    Bazza
     
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    For 1600 you can get the 36 panny. Personally I went with the panny, but like all large sets it has issues :(

    Whats going to be your main source for the TV? Games, sky or DVD?
     
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    With a budget of £1600, I would add the Loewe Aconda to your shortlist. Also, don't draw any conclusions on the performance of a tv based on how the pictures look on showroom floors. Virtually every shop has no idea on how to set these tv's up properly, resulting in even high class sets (such as the Loewes) which are capable of terrific performance looking absolutely terrible.

    I also wouldn't pay much attention to the reviews in What Video, Home Cinema Choice etc. They're often not very accurate. The best recent example would be the praise that they dish out to Philips Pixel Plus. You would be hard pressed to find many a/v enthusiasts who have experience of this technology who have a good word to say about it. It's also heavily critised on this forum.

    Regards,

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    fatbob M8,

    I know what you mean. They are calling the Philips the one to beat in terms of picture processing and performance. To quote Septembers magazine "With the Philips 32PW9308 the best has just got better". Having read some of the comments from people who own a pixel plus they must be talking about something completely different :D

    Bazza
     
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    I like you have that type of budget but fancy a 36". I bought that magazine yesterday and was also left confused, given the comments on this forum regarding pixel+.

    However are these comments not directed to the original P+ not the new sets with pixel plus 2.

    Like Baz its easy to get confused. Baz if its any help I have been looking for a few weeks and my list is narrowed down to the PD30 or PF2. But the Loewe sets are consistently the better quality that I have seen without any doubt. Its a pity they do not do a 36".
     
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    Why not save yourself a £1000 and get a Philips 32PW6506 with a lovely clear clean pic?
     
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    I can go to £1600 as its a warranty replacement for my Toshiba 32ZD08. I might as well spend it.

    The list is now down to the PD30 or the PF2. I'm not sure about the Loewe. To be honest, I haven't really considered them at all. Am I missing something? Can anybody recommend any numbers? It must have component inputs for my DVD. I need a 32" as my viewing area is not that great and I didn't want to be sitting on top of it. I'm 2 metres away from the set at present so I think a 36" will be to big.

    Keep the comments coming its all helping.

    Regards

    Bazza
     
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    Hi Bazzae welcome to the forum,

    I was in ur situation about 3 weeks ago. The thing is i went into a shop and bought the PD30. I was somehow sold it via sales talk. I went in to buy a DVD\Vhs combi and came out spending around 1500.

    I then tried to justify my purchase by reading more about the TV, comparing it to Tosh PicF2.

    After reading reviews and watching the set and others I can assume that I made the right choice. the fubby thing is its only £997 now, but i bought it for £1275 with 5 years( not worth the paper its on warranty...ie parts/labour but allowance for replacement). So being a chap who always buys on visa I've extended to 5 years buy paying another £135 which covers most things.

    With 1600 I would seriously go for 32" AND BUY a surround separates system with the 600 left. Try not to go for all in one home cinema systems..but if you have to try Sony Davs550.

    The TV picture deserves a high class sound system u wont regret buying a good system.

    The toshPf2 might have DD5.1 but i think these inbiult things never come near the real thing. The Panny was designed for a dedicated surround.

    Its a shame the component can be onlybe used if you have a separate sound system otherwise you end up doing a DIY connect/disconnect.

    The Tosh in my opinion does not have the female WOW factor, and believe me your partner will compliment your choice with the PD30.

    The Philips are better with 100hz problems but at the expense of of only 2 scarts for 9308..I'd keep away...you need at least 3 and Panny has 4. The older Pixel probs are resolved in Pixel plus 2 in 9308 and 9618. They are marginally better than PD30 but thePD30 wins in other areas.

    If i had another choice I'D BUY panny for 997 and get a decent kit of sound for 1500 total.
     
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    Thanks Mike,

    My DVD (Sony S735D) has Dolby 5.1 and DTS built in so that works out fine. My old Toshiba 32ZD08, whose days are numbered, has built in 5.1 but it never really wowed me. Haven't tried the Sony's 5.1 yet but it might be worth giving it a go before the swap out of the TV. By the way, I like the look of the PD30 more than the PF2 but its all really subjective. I don't know but I think its the black ring around the screen that doesn't work for me. Its to shinny. The case for the PD30 is gathering momentum.

    Dame, Just thought. If I use the Sony for the Dolby I have to switch over internally in the Sony so not to output audio through the optical connection to the TV. Doing this I suppose I will then need separate front speakers. I'll have to get the manual out for the Sony DVD as I not really sure what goes on when you use the Sony's on board Dolby.

    Mike, Did you Demo the PF2. What did you think?

    Bazza
     
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    I think you really are missing something. I looked at a number of 36" sets - even had a 36" Toshiba picture frame set on order at one point - before plumping for a 32" Loewe. I have never regretted sacrificing the 4" - because the picture quality payoff is more than ample compensation.

    What's more is that on top of £1400ish Acondas there are now 32" Loewes costing significantly less than £1600 - including the £1300ish Mimo and the "entry" £1100ish Aventos which while not as nice to look at when switched off are every bit as good when switched on.

    3 scarts, one supporting component & RGB, a second also supporting RGB and a third supporting s-video. The best 100hz engine out there and, when set up properly and fed a strong digital signal - a picture to die for. Extraordinary yet realistic depth. Also for my money the best aspect ratio management for dealing with 4:3 images.

    I've looked a Philips pixel plus - and it does grab your attention. But, even forgetting the flaws documented by owners here, I cannot see how the picture could ever be described as "natural" or "lifelike". Other faults documented by Panny owners here notwithstanding, I could not live with the Panny's aspect ratio management of 4:3 images. Of your three I'd lean towards the Tosh. Unless and until someone showed me a properly set up Loewe....

    As BrianC says all large sets have "issues". But the Loewe's only real world issues are that, like all CRTs, - geometry is not perfect (but even here it tends to be one of the better brands) and, secondly, that great 100hz engine is frankly not so great with the set's own analogue tuner. But if you mainly watch digital TV and DVD it really is IMHO a "no brainer".
     
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    I too was worried about the "naturalness" of Pixel+ sets - until I tried switching off DNR. Once I did this it was a no-brainer (although I didn't consider a Loewe at the time) as the picture is superb. I bought 32pw9527 and have been happy with it for 11 months. It does exhibit some of the flaws discussed in other threads - but overall the picture is excellent and very natural... so long as you switch off DNR. Unfortunately it has now developed a tube fault so is going in for a replacement today. Having read the other thread I'm just praying it comes back as good as when it went in! :(
    Yes, and it has a Philips CRT too...;)
     
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    Hi blindlemon,

    Thanks for your comments,

    My Toshiba 32ZD08 developed a tube fault and had subsequently two more tubes fitted but the geometry was so bad I still refused to accept the repair. In the end the warranty company arranged for a engineer from Toshiba to call and he made some adjustments that the repair shop had supposed to have done but didn't. These were mainly to do with back levels but he did attempt to correct the geometry faults. In the end he advised me that it would need another new tube. Thankfully the warranty people have written the set of and have given me the go ahead to get a replacement. Hence the situation I'm in. The real problem I have is the Toshiba picture is not bad, its just the geometry that's sucks. Now because all sets look really bad in the shops can I improve on the picture quality, or am I in danger of going backwards. Its the old problem of curiosity killed the cat. If somebody offered you £1600 after 2 and a half years to go and get another TV what would you do? I know a lot of people would say if your happy with your current set then stick with it and live with the geometry faults. I'm having a demo of the 36" PD30 tomorrow so I will take along a copy of Avia to see if the black crushing is really a issue for me.

    Bazza
     
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    well I bit the bullet after spending sunday looking at TV options to replace the front room TV and fell for the Toshiba 36ZP38..the missus wasn;t too keen at £2000 so a quick email to krish (who I highly rate) nd the TV is mine from tomorrow..a cool £1400 :)
    I did email robertsons-online following the links but they didn;t even bother to reply so I guess it wasn;t a big enough sale for them..suckers :)

    It's been a while since I shopped for a TV but it really does seem pretty hard work these days. I've always sworn by Toshibas and will continue to until someone convinces me otherwise :)
     
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    museumsteve,

    Can you let me know how you get on with it ASAP. I have until the end of the week before I have to decide. The PF2 and the PD30 are my two main contenders. Like you I've always had a Toshiba but something tells me to try something else. The wife says go for the Panny but I think she's just fed up with me keep going on about making the decision.

    Bazza
     
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    of course mate :)
    It will be used for all consoles, dvd, sky+ etc etc so I'll gladly give some honest opinions on all inputs :) I'll be running progressive and interlaced so just about everything really. I'm not working this week so will have plenty of time to play.
     
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    I to look forward to this review. One day I am decided on a 36" PD30 the next day its a 36" PF2:rolleyes:
     
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    Same thing here Anastie,

    Some people have said try the Loewe but because its a warranty replacement the company has said I must use Comet to get the replacement unit from and comet don't do Loewes. I'm trying to get this situation changed as I would like to pay for it myself on a Barclay card as it gives me a extended warranty of a extra 3 years. Hence my ability to change my existing set after two years on a warranty. If my existing warranty company pay it on my behalf I don't get that extra option.

    Bazza
     
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    Just FYI the 36PD30 has just won the EISA award for the best CRT TV, for new innovation in near computer resolution TV.
     
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    Hi mike,

    I saw that as well. Is this award worth anything in industry terms?

    I apologise to the awards association for my ignorance.

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    Hi all,

    The EISA awards aren't much of an indicator as to whether or not a product is better than it's opposition.

    When you see a/v items in a shop, they will often have little signs next to them stating recommendations from magazines such as What Video (every month they seem to review a tv which appears on the cover with the headline "BEST TV EVER"). An EISA award is just another marketing tool, much like the "five star" products from What Hi-Fi, or the "Best Buy" products from What Video, designed to sell gear to the public.

    In the recent EISA awards, who do you think won the best dvd player award? Denon, Arcam, Sony ES, no, it was none of these companies. It was won by..................Samsung(?).

    In short, don't take any notice of the EISA awards. I'm sure that all the winners are decent products, but they are by no means the best available.

    Regards,

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    Hi bazzae123,
    I bought the Tosh at Easter. I also got confused by all the conflicting advice.
    The sets great, and it's the same size as most 28" models. I paid £1250 for it with DVD and VCR (plus rear speakers) thrown in.
    Auto set up was fine. The picture and colours are strong stable and flicker free. I've had none of the geometery problems reported on earlier picture frame sets (these seem to affect the 36" sets more anyway), and also no buzzing.
    The scarts are a little too close together, so if you're using high quality cables you'll need to get the ones with the cable coming out of the back of the connector, not the side.
    I'm still not happy that I'm getting the best from the sound system (I'm not sure I've managed to get 5.1 sound at all so far, any tips out there? ), so I'd agree with the comment that a seperate AV system will produce better quality, in which case the sound component on the tosh is a waste of time.
    I'd buy it again though!
     
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    Why does life have to get so complicated.

    I went to demo a PD30 today at a shop which specialised in all things nice in the audio/visual world and along side the PD30 was a Philips 36PW9607. Now during the demo the guy hooked up the Philips to the same output so that both TV's were showing the same picture. Now, to me, the Philips had a really nice looking picture with contrasts and colours that made objects look more 3D than the PD30. I could not help turning my head towards the Philips more than the PD30.

    Dam, what do I do now :confused:

    Bazza
     
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    well........here goes :)
    I have been through 6 philips sets, 2, 36" and I am on my 4th 32"
    9617, this latest set has been upgraded after much arguments etc to the latest p+2 version, (see upgrade fix in the P+ thread, last page by me ) would I buy another philips ?? errrrr NO THX
    the set may look good in the stores when they show you the P+ demo etc, but movies look more like documentrys than giving that movie experience, the sound for a tv is great, but its let down by still having dirty patches on the screen, you may not see them instore, but trust me, you will after getting it home LOL.
    I am selling my philips and getting the new panny pd30, I admit its a hard choice, and like its been said, ALL the sets have some issue or another, but like other people in the P+ thread, I would never touch another P+ set again, they did not want to help in anyway or admit to the fault, I have a 5 year guarantee as well so I just kept going back untill they did something, they said that philips said they had not come across this before. so I handed them 167 pages, as thats what you get when you print off the P+ thread, and said...this says you do know about it, so they got it sorted, but it still has some bad issues, the panny does not have the sound the philips has but the picture has a lot less issues. and that cuts it for me.
     
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    DoogyDawg,

    How do you rate the PD30 in terms of Picture quality against the Philips. As I have already said the demo I had was a bit disappointing. The picture on the PD30 appeared flat compared to the Philips. The Philips had move of a 3D texture about it.

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    bazzae123,

    I concur with your observations on the pd30. High res processing malarky aside the philips and loewe sets (same tube) appeared much more 3D and vibrant.
    The only source option i did not demo was native dvd progressive scan - maybe this is where the set excels. RGB DVD, RGB $ky/Freeview, Interlaced Component DVD all left me very unimpressed. I just hope all potential owners decide with their own eyes whether the set is any good and not base a decision on reviews in mags or from other owners.
     
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    Bazzze , was the Pd30 on the 75hz 833 resolution. This increases the picture quality significantly. I am also a Phillips fan but it would be a difficult choice between Phillips and Panny. But the thing is looks are important in a TV for me and the Pd30 has the looks, can't say the phillips looks that good.

    I thinking of buying Philips for the other reception room for the kids so the lounge can be kept quiet if you know what i mean....
     
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    DoogyDawg M8,

    your link is not working.

    Bazza
     
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    Hi Mike,

    The only problem with this demo was I couldn't see the "Scan" mode setting. It was not highlighted or shown. The guy in the shop said that it was because he was using the component input so the option to chance the processing mode was not available. This I'm not to sure about the answer and have posted a question in the main PD30 tread asking for opinions to this explination.

    Anyway, tomorrow I'm off to see a demo on a Loewe. This will be the last set I look at before making my decision. Well I may have a holiday in-between just to sleep on it.

    Bazza
     
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    I recommend to test the PD30 with a action movie with fast camera movements, that was the worst thing (beside the "color problem"). The Motion Software does not work properly with fast motions. The corners and edges looking frayed, its terrible once you no it.
     

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