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Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by Raitzi, Dec 7, 2007.

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  1. Raitzi

    Raitzi Member

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    SPECS:

    1080P
    100Hz/120Hz (M100)
    5:5 pulldown(24p compatibility)
    500CD/M2 BRIGHTNESS
    10:000:1 Contrast ratio
    10bit prossecing
    SRS WOW SOUND BY ONKYO
    3xHDMI 1.3

    Full specs in German:http://www.toshiba.de/consumer/content/defaultid1_1_id3_257.aspx

    Currently available models(in some countries):
    46": 46ZF355D
    40" and 52" versions have been listed in the middle of this page(not official release) : http://tesc.toshiba.co.uk/Web/Website.nsf/ContentFrameSet?OpenFrameset

    A review of 46ZF355D translated with google to english:
    http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.areadvd.de%2Fhardware%2F2007%2Ftoshiba_46zf355d_1.shtml&langpair=de|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

    As you can see edges are very narrow which makes it fit nicely even to most "demanding" interior designs.

    My small review.

    No sign of dead pixels or anything that would count as fault. Screen uniformity is also good for lcd but there is a bit whiter spots in both top corners. So it seems like a good panel so no need to change it because of that. Blacks are good and motion handling is very good. Also there was not input lag that some tvs suffer from.
    uniformity

    SD

    First i tried SD programs with external tuner and first it seemed awaful. After some setting changes i got it to aceptable quality. Tuner was connected to scart with rgb signal. Standard from Picture settings presets again produced most natural picture.(color temp. was warm)
    I also tried internal tuner and it had a hint of cleaner picture than my topfield(external cable tuner). I think the reason for difference is my cheap Scart cable with topfield. SD seemed better than i expected after that german review and maybe even better than it was on my friend's 37" R87 samsung. It seemed some channels with low bandwith would be better to watch with MPEG NR in low setting but it took detail away from better channels so i decided to turn all "aids" off.
    SD 1
    SD 2

    HD

    PS3 connected with hdmi to ZF produced one of most amazing HD i have seen. As i said previously blacks were good and there was no bluring, smear or other nasty things. I just tested Casino Royale for 1080p 24HZ and it took it nicely without noticable judder(see EDIT). Intrestingly enabling M100("100Hz") with bluray movie playing at 24Hz produced even more smooth motion but everybody might not like it if they have used to "juddery movies";film look is lost to some extent with m100. I liked m100 and saw no reason to turn it off. Games were also amazing with and without m100. Again i liked m100 and choose to use it.

    HD casino royale

    Uncharted Drake's Fortune(sun hits tv)

    Other things:

    Sound from internal speakers is good it even has some bass :) I am no expert in acustics but this is much better than samsung r87. Seems Onkyo knows how to make good sounding stuff.

    Settings: TV has no individual settings for inputs so you must find settings that work for every input. This sucks if you have many devices but i have only ps3 so no problem for me. Options to picture and sound are better than in most TVs but if you have many devices , it might be a bit waste of effort.

    The good:

    -Blacks(good for lcd)
    -detail with HD
    -motion handling
    -aspect ratio automatics
    -It has "3d" Color management system(though i have no touched this yet)
    -M100 works well
    -Design

    The Bad:

    -No individual settings for inputs
    -menus could be more user friendly.

    EDIT: Deeper 1080p24 test:
    -M100 and film stabilation off produces judder but it is a bit smoother than without m100.
    -M100 and film stabilation standard judders but with steady frequency(unlike 3:2).
    -M100 and film stabilation smooth has no judder what so ever.
    -M100 off judders like with 3:2 pulldown(60Hz mode)

    My current settings:

    Active backlight: off
    cinema mode: on
    film stabilation: smooth
    active vision m100: on

    ->other menu

    backlight: 30
    contrast: 98
    brightness: 62
    color:55
    tint: -6
    sharpness:0
    Black stretch:eek:ff
    Mpeg NR: off
    DNR: off
    color temp. :natural

    Power consumption with backlight at 28:134W

    Wyrminarrd Review
    I just wanted to post my review of the 46" ZF. I´ve had this set now for a bit over two weeks and I´m very happy with it but first the bad news:

    There is slight bleeding in the two upper corners, it´s something you only notice on a pitch black screen or a very dark screen if your looking for it (No one other then me has noticed this by them selves). Other then this the screen is perfect with no dead pixles or distortions.

    The good:

    The picture is stunning on this set, the colors look great and the blacks are very good (I don´t have much experience with LCD TVs so this might be subjective).

    I´ve watched a couple of Blu-ray films through my PS3 ( Life of Brian & Fanstic Four) as well as checking out bits of other movies (Spiderman 3, Casino Royal) and I found the picture to be amazing. The colors are exceptional and vibrant (everyone I´ve shown the picture to has been amazed by how good they are). There has been so smearing or judder that I´ve noticed

    The TV looks amazing, this has simply got to be the best looking TV on the market. It´s slim frame makes everyone think it´s a much smaller TV so if you can only fit in a average sized 42" tv then I´d recommand you try this one instead, you´ll be getting extra 4" and using the same space

    SD content looks good on the tv, at least the channels I get through my cable subscription (I live in Iceland by the way so no idea how UK channels would look like). Other channels aren´t good but then they weren´t good on my old 28" sony crt, they are however easily good enough to watch without getting irritated

    General stuff:

    I found the picture straight from the box to be good though I´ve since lowered the backlight and brightness down to 60.

    The remote could be better, I really wish they hadn´t placed the setup for DTV or something like that right bellow the "0" button, I keep pressing it by mistake You also have to point it accurately at the Tv.

    The menu system seems to be simple enough, I at least had no problem setting this up.

    I found it helped a lot to have film stabilization set to smooth, it reduced judder to the point where none can be seen. It´s only when I´m actively looking for judder to the exclusion of all else that I might bee seeing very faint judder but then again it could just be my eyes playing tricks with me since I´m the only one who notices this. I haven´t really tested every possible set up choice since I found setting that I thought were perfect rather quickly (and if your happy why change things?).
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  2. Raitzi

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    That review made me order 46ZF355D. So expect impressions and pics about it around 19th of december.
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    Im waiting for this model to hit old blighty becaue i'm not sure wether to get the XF now of wait a few months and get the ZF. I just hope it doesnt suffer from backlight bleed ;)
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    I read somewhere that no smaller than 46inch will be released in this serie..

    But also I found this:

    http://tesc.toshiba.co.uk/Web/Website.nsf/ContentFrameSet?OpenFrameset

    scroll to the middle and You see 40ZF / 46ZF

    but someone else who said he had contact with Toshiba, posted that he has been told that only the 46 inch will be available in the ZF serie..

    Can anyone clear this up?

    Im about to buy a 42Z But i would love a ZF for its better panel.. and higher than 42 is a no go.. Would hate it if I buy the Z now and find out about a 40 ZF release later
  6. Raitzi

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    Someone in these forums said 40" version of ZF and 46" will come to UK next year. There is no official release of ZF other than 46" for now. But if think about it: Why would they not use pictureframe for future Z tvs if it works(less plastic,lesser the cost) Note also that ZF uses S-PVA panel which is reported to produce superior blacks to IPS panels that Z uses.(This is more important than skinny frame imho.)
    So for 40" ZF we have to wait for official announcement.(but that link you posted confirms 40" ZF to me)
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    This post contains conflicting information:

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637949

    One post mentions that Toshiba have confirmed that the ZF models are only intended for European markets.

    I received the following reply from Toshiba customer support regarding the release of the 46zf355d in the UK:

    “Thank you for your email to Toshiba with your enquiry, the 46Xf will be released in the next few weeks. Zf range of TVs are made for European market and at this time are not being sold in the uk”.

    Toshiba apparently seems to think that UK customers will accept lower specification models than the rest of Europe - we won't, we’ll just buy alternative products that offer what we want


    Another post on the same thread from the same poster as above mentions that Toshiba have confirmed that they intend to market the ZF models in this country!

    Good news, I've just recieved another email from Toshiba customer support regarding the UK release of the 46ZF355D:-

    "We will be releasing the ZF in the beginning of Spring 2008 . The sizes available will be 40”, 46” and 52” models"

    Assuming this is true, I'll wait as it is the only 46 inch TV that I can fit into the limited space I have available above my fireplace.



    Confusing!
  8. Raitzi

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    Ok my TV is not currenly here, because weekly shipment of goods to my shop is running a bit late(christmas is close). Despite that they assured that shipment will arrive this week. I just home my Toshiba is in that shipment :)
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    Ive been waiting for news on this tv since I first heard about it months ago. I too am limited by space and wish to hang it above my living room fireplace. Its a shame the only real information about it is on Swiss and German web sites the translation sometimes is not that great. I did find a good review in German . find it here http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2007/toshiba_46zf355d_1.shtml
    I received a reply from Toshiba UK saying they had no info. at this time but to 'keep looking at their website' Hint Hint. lets hope things become clearer after Christmas. After all the problem discussed on this forum with other premium brand lcd's it must be worth waiting for this baby to appear!
    go on you know you want too

    Sorry the review appears earlier in the thread. That will teach me to read...a b c d e my head hurts!
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    :thumbsup: I Just hope with the SPVA Panels that there is no smearing just like of the SONY's that use the same panel.. Although the SPVA gives better colour contrasts and blacks the S-IPS is superior in other ways so lets see if the Toshiba Technology for processing is better than the Bravia and does not produce gaming Smearing as reported in many posts on the Sony Forum.. Come on TOSH show us what your worth.
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    Oh god my heads hurting now:rolleyes:

    Ive been itching to get a tosh 37 for a while,first it was the 37x and then the 37z comes out..and now i see theres a zf coming out!!!

    Can anybody help,which will be better the 37z or a 40zf.
    I was gonna order the z cos i cant wait any longer,need HD now:devil:

    I know thats a very general question with loads of different directions to take in answering but please be nice:D
    My use will Sky SD(till its worth getting HD) and PS3 inc blu rays.
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    Any news as to when the ZF is out and what the price is likely to be? (40"/46").
  15. Raitzi

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    My ZF has arrived to local shop but have already left to vacation . I will pick it 4th of january and a review will be up next day. Sorry i kept you waiting but 5th of january is 100% sure date for the review.

    Merry christmas to all of you guys!
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    I wonder how much the 52" ZF will cost.
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    Currently waiting for this screen to come to the UK. Sent an email the other day to Toshiba about the ZF series and got this reply:-


    Thank you for your email to Toshiba regarding the ZF series

    As yet we have no news on the release date for this model in the UK all I can recommend is keeping an eye on our website

    Regards
    Emma
    Toshiba Customer Support


    Sounds like it's definatly coming but will probably be a few more months yet.
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    Even though they use 'less' plastic for the bezel of the television, the maufacturing costs will be far higher than usual LCD's because of the extra strengthening required within the set. One of the reasons for the premium price plus the top of the range featrures!!! Really want one of these!! But only if they do a 40 inch version..
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    Hi all - Happy New Year!

    :lease:

    Any news on UK availability for the 40" ZF? - an earlier post suggested 6 weeks hinting at Mid Feb release...

    I really need a new set soon, but can't accommodate a conventional 40" panel - I'm either looking at the 37Z or the 40ZF.

    I don't mind waiting for the ZF, but not if we're talking months? Contacted Toshiba UK, they gave no clues at all - apparently they're unable to disclose anything :thumbsdow
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    Briefly as I'm on my way out....

    XF - panel that is in the X Series
    ZF - panel that is in the Z Series
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    Z is better than X...

    X is a very good set anyway.

    But Z has Deep colour on the 3xHDMI 1.3 connections. 24 frames per second.
    100/120mhz technology with Anti Judder.
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    I've been waiting for the 46XF here in the UK (and a house move to accomodate it) but if theres a change of a 52ZF then where can I get one and when?

    Is importing an option if the only available on mainland Europe?

    Scott
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    The XF has Deep colour on all three 1.3 HDMI connections, as well as 24fps support. The only real difference (in terms of features, performance may be a different story) is the 120hz panel (and 5:5 pull down that allows, and 100hz processing).
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    Toshiba ZF 46" first look.

    No sign of dead pixels or anything that would count as fault. Screen uniformity is also good for lcd but there is a bit whiter spots in both top corners. So it seems like a good panel so no need to change it because of that. Blacks are good and motion handling is very good. Also there was not input lag that some tvs suffer from.
    uniformity

    SD

    First i tried SD programs with external tuner and first it seemed awaful. After some setting changes i got it to aceptable quality. Tuner was connected to scart with rgb signal. Standard from Picture settings presets again produced most natural picture.(color temp. was warm)
    I also tried internal tuner and it had a hint of cleaner picture than my topfield(external cable tuner). I think the reason for difference is my cheap Scart cable with topfield. SD seemed better than i expected after that german review and maybe even better than it was on my friend's 37" R87 samsung. It seemed some channels with low bandwith would be better to watch with MPEG NR in low setting but it took detail away from better channels so i decided to turn all "aids" off.
    SD 1
    SD 2

    HD

    PS3 connected with hdmi to ZF produced one of most amazing HD i have seen. As i said previously blacks were good and there was no bluring, smear or other nasty things. I just tested Casino Royale for 1080p 24HZ and it took it nicely without judder. Intrestingly enabling M100("100Hz") with bluray movie playing at 24Hz produced even more smooth motion but everybody might not like it if they have used to "juddery movies";film look is lost to some extent with m100. I liked m100 and saw no reason to turn it off. Games were also amazing with and without m100. Again i liked m100 and choose to use it.

    HD casino royale

    Uncharted Drake's Fortune(sun hits tv)

    Other things:

    Sound from internal speakers is good it even has some bass :) I am no expert in acustics but this is much better than samsung r87. Seems Onkyo knows how to make good sounding stuff.

    Settings: TV has no individual settings for inputs so you must find settings that work for every input. This sucks if you have many devices but i have only ps3 so no problem for me. Options to picture and sound are better than in most TVs but if you have many devices , it might be a bit waste of effort.

    The good:

    -Blacks(good for lcd)
    -detail with HD
    -motion handling
    -aspect ratio automatics
    -It has "3d" Color management system(though i have no touched this yet)
    -M100 works well
    -Design

    The Bad:

    -No individual settings for inputs
    -menus could be more user friendly.
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  26. jeggsy

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    Great review Raitzi and glad you seemed to have had a good set !

    Originally set for a Sony X or W series but the more I hear about the Tosh ZF the more I'm growing to it. The best bit is it's got the wife's approval as well !
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    Raitzi could you please post the width/height of the set both with and without any stand. I was after a 42" (107cm?) model and was choosing the 42Z3030, but could there be little difference between that and the size of the 46ZF due to the thinner bezel?? I may be back to being able to fill the same space with a 46" ZF version??? Many thanks
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    If I cannot find the Sony + PS3 offer anywhere from next week (when I am looking to buy a new set) then I may wait around for the 40" of this to come into the shops in the UK and save a bit more money towards the purchase.

    Can't have anything bigger than a 40" for where it is going and to be honest a 37" would fit there better.

    Thanks for the review.
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    While not amswering exactly what you're asking, I was in my local currys today, looking at the 42"Z model, I have money in hand have spent a good fortnight going mad reading these forums, reviews etc. Beside the 42Z, sitting on a stand at exactly the same height was a 46XF, and the two sets were exactly the same height when sitting on their respective feet. In fact I remarked to the salesman that because of the reduced bezel I could prob squeeze in a 46 :)

    Mind you I left empty handed as they wouldnt demo any HD on any of the Toshibas:suicide:

    Yes I'm going to pay a grand and a half for a TV when all I've seen on it was a crummy RF feed....

    I was distracted too by their Bluray demo on a Panny PZ50 plasma - knowing I could pick up the 42" version for under a grand has made me think twice about LCD...

    Good luck with the search - the Toshiba are lovely looking sets, even the 42Z:smashin:
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    The width is 107cm(106,6cm) and height is 66cm without stand and with stand 71cm.
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