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SKY - Is there an alternative?

Discussion in 'Satellite TV' started by Grrrrrowler, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. Grrrrrowler

    Grrrrrowler Member

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    Ok, they have pushed me too far this time and I am seriously considering cancelling my SKY subscription - it is not worth £47 a month.

    Are there any real alternatives?

    I live in the sticks and have very poor tv reception, and freeview through a set top box doesn't work out here (grrr)

    I mainly watch the following...

    All the mainstream free to air channels
    Football - esp championship matches - this may be the problem I guess
    Cricket
    Darts
    Occasionally UK Gold etc
    Movies - only occasionally - so not too fussed

    Can anyone give me some pointers please?

    Thanks

    Dave
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    If you want the same plug-in and play/sit down and watch ease that you have with Sky, then IMHO the answer is NO.

    There is a wide choice of programming from Euro satellite provider with some, but by no means all, in English.
    Add to that that the packages with the most choice and especially movies and football are encrypted requiring a subscription card and subscriptions aren't cheap.
    A good example is Canal Digital Scandanavia with probably plenty of everything you want, but an official sub is around £900/year.
    You would also require a different receiver and dish (fixed or motorised).

    The number of foreign packages available with receiver/CAM patches and hacks is dwindling daily and cannot be relied upon and is not guaranteed viewing.
    It's also a subject which the rules on here do not permit.

    Multisat is a fascinating hobby if treated as such but should not be seen as a substitute for Sky.
    Far better look at the Sky mixes available, cancel what you don't need and cut costs that way
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  3. Grrrrrowler

    Grrrrrowler Member

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    Thanks Fernandez

    TBH cost isn't an issue - it's the way that even after 10 years as a loyal customer, you are treated like something on the bottom of their shoe.

    I just wondered what, if any, alternatives were available.

    I don't mind not having the 'plug and play' element.

    Cheers

    Dave
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    Have a look at Freesat and see if that would meet your requirements.

    Cheers,

    Martin.
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    There's really nothing much extra or different there than he would get if he cancelled his Sky subscription, keep the same card and effectively use it as freesatfromsky(FSFS)

    FREESAT from Sky - What's on TV - FREESAT from Sky

    Certainly not much from the list either way:(

    Football - esp championship matches
    Cricket
    Darts
    Occasionally UK Gold etc
    Movies - only occasionally - so not too fussed
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    I agree with what you're saying, but if the OP doesn't want Sky then he has to be prepared to lose a lot of potential viewing.

    Cheers,

    Martin.
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    To be honest the only way to go is muiltsat.A motorised dish,and probably a dreambox would be your answer.If you have the time and patience,you will never look back again.Also you can give sly the royal salute.:D
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    That rather depends upon how much time, effort and money he wants to invest not to mention the legality of obtaining packages with a Dreambox without subscription the discussion of which is not allowed on here.

    The OP has stated:
    "TBH cost isn't an issue - it's the way that even after 10 years as a loyal customer, you are treated like something on the bottom of their shoe"

    So, what went wrong there?:eek:
    I also get the impression that he would prefer the same type of programming, in English, that Sky offers which he won't always get with other providers.
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    As a Sky customer since 1989 getting Digital, Sky + and HD from day one and having the full package with multiroom I know where the previous poster is coming from.

    They offer the earth to newbies - all subsidised by their loyal customers.

    Sky HD boxes for £49 all in and £5 pm subs.

    But if you paid £300 in 2006 and now have a struggling Sky + box on multiroom that you want to upgrade - forget it!

    In 2007 they quoted me (seriously) £360 plus another £10 pm!!!

    Last month they still wanted £210 plus another £10 pm.

    I said no to both and felt as if my loyalty was being used to grab as many newcomers to HD as possible.

    So you do end up feeling like second class citizens and now having a dreambox I am seriously tempted to say bye bye to at least multiroom (costing Sky £10 pm instead of gaining £10 pm from me had they offered a second box at the £75 they were advertising it). And I may even be driven to cancel the lot and they will then lose another £57 pm.

    So Sky's brand new customers only policy may well prove a serious misjudgement on their part.

    They act as if there is no alternative to Sky. But as this thread shows that is not entirely true.
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    Shush, don't give them a reason to try and stop the selling of dishes, lnbs, motors etc in the same way that the premier league went against pub owners for the use of nova/digitalb etc!!!

    I know exactly how you feel though. My parents have subscribed to sky for the last 10years+ with the full packages (apart from hd), and the box died on them a few years back. This was just the standard sky box (not sky plus), and they had to beg, and subscribe for another 12 months to get another box from them!!! Since they're not watching it to full effect, I'm trying to get them to cancel! I would tell em to get a dreambox if I knew they'd be able to use it without calling me every 5 minutes :p
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    To be fair to Sky :)eek:), they don't treat existing customers the way they do, out of spite.

    They've obviously decided (rightly or wrongly) that giving preference to new customers will maximise their profit.

    And that, I'm afraid, is the bottom line and all that matters to them.

    They're NOT a public service. :lesson:
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    I think that's true.
    Many existing subscribers who are complaining now that they aren't being offered any special deals to retain them may, in a lot of cases (not all), have had a heavily discounted deal when first subscribing and, in turn, that deal will have been partly at the expense of the then current subscribers.
    Whether their policy is right or wrong is a matter of opinion, but it seems to work for them. Business is business after all.
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    Maybe you should have a look into Tiscali TV?

    Not sure about recommending someone actually change to Tiscali, usually people are recommended to stay away, but if you really want away from Sky you could see if it's available on your phone line.
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    That IS true, probably, if you are a relatively new existing customer or wait to upgrade and thus get a discount rate for, say, HD, because they now want to push it so reduce the price.

    It is NOT true if you have been with Sky for years and you get new products when they come out.

    To my recall I have paid top price for everything I have gotten from Sky.

    In other words, the more loyal you are and the longer you have paid a lot of money to Sky the less credible this argument becomes.

    I certainly do not consider paying £300 for an HD box and 30 x £10 pm in subs ever since (ie total £600) a great introductory offer compared with the £75 plus £5 pm subs that upgraders who did not support HD for two years get now.

    There is a ginormous disprecancy between these sums and that is what is creating anger with existing subscribers.

    Although it would not do IF Sky allowed you to upgrade to a second box at the same price - as a thanks for getting HD to the point where Sky CAN offer these amazing prices to others.

    It seems that if you:

    A: Never get any new Sky product until 2 years after they introduce it,
    B: Never take out the expensive extra sub deals like £10 pm for HD
    C: Ring up and complain that you are paying too much and want to quit

    THEN you get offered fantastic cut price deals way below what you would if you did the above.

    Of course, if the majority of Sky customers did this then Sky would go bust and no new technology such as HD would ever survive as it depends upon customers funding it from the start not waiting two years and then doing so.

    However, those that offer Sky this suppport are then taken for granted.

    I do not think it is at all unreasonable to expect to get a second multiroom HD box for the same price that existing customers are now getting their first box.

    Why? Because you are still going to be paying Sky a second £10 pm sub on top of the box price so they are clobbering you again anyway.

    And because the way they are handling this seems to be rewarding everyone who did nothing to ensure that HD succeeded over the past 2 - 3 years. It is giving them a fantastic deal on the backs of existing HD customers who are expected to pay more even to add to what they already have.

    To me the unfairness here seems obvious.
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    I subscribed to Sky since Year 2 of the analogue days, mostly with the full package, though in the last 2 years we only had 4 mixes. We cancelled completely earlier this year, and tbh we don't miss it a bit.
    Our setup - Freesat HD, Freeview and Hotbird / Astra is more than enough (imo) for 1 family to watch. Yes, you miss the odd specialist programme or channel (Paramount for us) but you do get over it, and realise that those few programmes or channels aren't really worth the £silly being asked for them. imo of course.
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  16. Paddy Garcia

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    Do you get any football with Hotbird / Astra ?
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    Sky finally managed to push me over the edge about a month ago, and as of today for the first time since I can not remember I have no sky.. As a subscriber since the analigue service, the frustration of dealing with an "unhelp desk" and the neglect of loyaty in existing customers, I realise as much as it is going to hurt the only way to protest is not to help fund the marketing to generate new customers. It's a real problem as I live in a rural location so no cable or broadband alternatives for TV that is. Anyway off to the shops tomorrow to buy Apple TV, Freesat PVR, despite I paid £300 for a SKY HD box fit for nothing beyond ebay, and whatever else I can lay my hands on without funding sky.

    The only way to force a change is not to pay, but if anyone out there has any inspiration in a valid alternative :lease: let me know what it is....

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