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Setting up my SKY+ Box, DVD Recorder, VHS Player and DVD Player

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  1. Waynester

    Waynester Member

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    Hi Guys

    sorry to appear thick, but need some advice on setting up my system for the best viewing

    at present, heres what i have

    my Sony 28" widescreen TV has only 2 sockets at the back, they are AV1 and AV2

    My SKY+ box is going into the AV1 on my Sony TV from its TV/SCART socket
    (not sure if the above socket gives as good quality as the other socket on the sky+box?)

    my Toshiba DVD Player is plugged to my Sony TV into the AV2 socket

    how do i connect my SKY+ box into my new Sony DVD recorder that i have just bought today?

    i have a spare socket on the back of my sky+ box called VCR SCART

    i want to be able to record from my sky+ box onto my new dvd recorder....

    i also have a JVS Super VHS Recorder, how do i add this to my setup aswell?

    i have ZERO idea how to do any of this, any ideas on what goes where?

    im confused
  2. MarkTaylor

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    How do you want to use the VHS recorder?

    Just for replay or does that have to be able to record from Sky as well?
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    What is your DVD recorder model? Just want to check if it accepts an RGB signal on Scart to record from.
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    Hi guys, thanks 4 your quick responses

    i only want to watch VHS tapes on my video recorder and thats it, no need for any type of recording at all

    my new Sony dvd recorder (got it today) is a SONY RDR-GX350

    i primarily use my TOSHIBA SD270E DVD Player to watch all my dvd`s on



    cheers
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    The Sony does accept RGB IN.

    So I would recommend this

    Sky+ TV Scart to Sony DVD Recorder SCART IN
    Sony DVD Recorder SCART OUT to AV1

    Make sure the Sky+ box is set to RGB output (under Picture Settings menu)
    Make sure TV is set to accept RGB on the AV1 Scart Connection.
    MAke sure DVD is set to record RGB on the Scart IN.

    Connect VHS to AV2 via a Scart connection (utilising the composite video connection), although not the best, will be passable for watching videos.
  6. Waynester

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    hi mate, does that include plugging in my TOSHIBA DVD Player in with all that?
    thats my main DVD player for watching all my dvd`s

    only want to use my new sony dvd recorder to record from sky+ onto a blank dvd


    and did you mean plugging my VHS player into AV2 on the back of my SONY TV ??
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, missed that bit about the Tosh.

    Does your VHS VCR have two Scarts? If so I'd feed the Tosh in the "IN" Scart and then the VCR Scart "OUT" to AV2. Not sure how your VHS works but either switching it off will get you the DVD picture on AV2 on the TV, or by setting the VHS to select the Scart In would also work.

    Yes, the VHS player then goes to AV2 (most likely plain composite video)
  8. Waynester

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    Hi Bob

    yes buddy, my VHS Player has 2 scart sockets

    the way you have told me, is that the optimum setup for best quality?
    i will plug it all in tomorrow when i get home from work

    my new sony dvd recorder is still at work as i couldnt carry it home on my push bike! ha ha

    im about to throw out my broken Phillips DVDR880
    its playing up now and then with "disk warning error"
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    Bob

    i found this somewhere else

    is this similar to what you said?

    the guy hasnt included another DVD Player into the equasion, it was done for somebody else with a fairly similar problem

    he says

    Using SCART cables connect:

    1) the TV SCART 1 socket to the Sky box's SCART labelled TV

    2) the Sky box's SCART labelled VCR to the first SCART on the DVD recorder

    3) the second SCART on the DVD recorder to the VCR.
    You can then record Sky to the DVD recorder, or put the DVD recorder into standby to record onto the VCR.
    To play the VCR put the DVD player onto standby.
    You MAY have to put the Sky box into standby to access the controls of the DVD player or VCR.


    also.....

    on the sky+ box, is there a difference in Quality from the 2 sockets?
    one socket on the back of the above is called TV SCART, and the other ones called VCR SCART

    want to make sure i get the BEST quality recordings from sky+ onto a blank dvd when using my sony dvd recorder
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    Bob's route does give you the best as only the SCART labelled TV on the Sky box can output RGB.
  11. Waynester

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    Oh ok, i knew i was thick! lol
    so....... by plugging my TOSHIBA DVD Player into my VHS Player and then from that into my tv set, is the quality as good as pluggin the toshiba directly into my tv set?
    wasnt sure IF you lose quality?
    i will be buying some decent scart leads tomorrow, probably pay about £40 for a pair of those gold ones

    off topic - out of the 2 dvd players i own

    which should i be using as a main dvd player do you think?

    is it worth getting rid of the toshiba? only cost me £40

    i suppose im trying to save wearing the sony dvd recorder out by using it as player

    i will be upgrading my TV set to a 32" Panasonic LCD, though i cant decide IF i should go for a Sony model ?



    hope all the above makes sense :rolleyes:
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    Following the advice ie. Sky+ TV SCART to DVD Recorder in and DVD Recorder out to AV1 on the TV above should sort you out.

    If you still want to keep the S-VHS connected I would look at the TV's AV2 SCART socket. If it supports S-Video, you could connect the VCR to that using a SCART cable (providing the VCR supports S-Video out over SCART but they all do IIRC) or a S-Video to SCART cable (provding the TV supports S-Video in on the AV2 socket). Most TV's have a S-Video input but this might be on the side or the front which looks untidy. S-Video doesn't carry audio though, so if you use a plain S-Video cable (4 pin DIN) then you need to run separate audio from the player to the TV. SCART to S-Video and S-Video to SCART are not bi-directional so you would need to make sure you get the right one.

    SCART to S-Video plus audio

    S-Video to SCART plus audio

    The above comes down to what type of S-Video input your TV has.

    This doesn't really solve your connection problems but would get you the best pic out of the S-VHS machine. Alternatively I would look at backing up your tapes to DVD but if you have a fair collection that might be too much hassle.

    When do you intend changing the TV?
  13. Waynester

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    Hi again, just popped home with my new sony dvd recorder

    having a crafty 2 hour lunchbreak :D

    anyway...... i have just plugged in the S-Video cable from my S-VHS player and gone into the S-Video socket on the TV set
    (looks a bit untidy, but not that bothered really)
    have also run the left and right audio cables from the S-VHS player into the audio sockets on the TV and can watch the VHS tapes i have, this will give me the best quality visuals and audio while watching vhs tapes i take it?
    im only going to be watching VHS tapes on the above player, no recording needed for anything, though i may want to back a few vhs tapes to blank dvd at some point, i will be throwing a lot of crappy vhs tapes out that i just wont watch anymore

    bearing this in mind, how would you set up the system ignoring the VHS player now

    i need to set my TV up with my Sony DVD Recorder, and be able to watch and record SKY+ onto the Sony DVD Recorder, and also be able to watch my Main Toshiba DVD Player, and then im done.....thank god!


    i have a hefty collection of VHS tapes, will take me forever to transfer them all to DVD, so i would just like to leave my VHS player in with the setup if possible

    i will be getting a NEW 32" or 37" Panasonic or Sony LCD in April at some point
    havent decided WHICH manufacturer makes the best TV`s
  14. Waynester

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    now im confused with this persons advice on this forum :confused:

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=740161


    i think Bobs way is still the best?

    i basically want to set up the following

    Sony 28" Widescreen TV (2 SCARTS ON THE BACK)

    Sony RDRGX350 DVD Recorder (2 SCARTS ON THE BACK)
    this must be able to record from my SKY+ Box in perfect quality
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000TJFTIU/interactiveda3032-21

    Toshiba SD270 DVD Player (1 SCART ON THE BACK)
    (my main DVD Player to watch all DVD`s)
    http://www.home-entertainment.toshi...s.nsf/pages/dvd-dvdvideo-SD-270E?opendocument


    JVC HR-S8950EK Super VHS Cassette Recorder (2 SCARTS ON THE BACK)
    would like to be able to back up VHS tapes on to my Sony DVD recorder if possible?
    would this require swapping leads over all the time?

    http://www.lcd-online.com/en-us/ITM_JVCHRS9850.html


    Thomson PVR3 SKY+ Box (2 SCARTS ON THE BACK)
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    Actually the advice on "the dark side" (!!) is equally valid if you want to "backup" tapes to your DVD recorder, which in your previous post said you only wanted to watch VHS, not transcribe it to DVD.

    However, if the TOsh is the main DVD player, I'd want that connected in the chain to get RGB on AV1 on the TV. Personally I'd forget about tape transcribing and just stick the VHS on the AV2, and then daisy chain the Tosh, SKY and DVD and TV in that order.
  16. Waynester

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    Bob

    sorry to be a pain my friend, you are a true gentleman

    can you write me a diagram setup on exactly how im to set everything up, yes im that stupid!! lol

    thinking about it, it would be nice to set it all up as i want AND use my S-VHS Player so that i can back tapes up onto my SONY DVD Recorder aswell as using my SONY DVD Recorder to record from SKY+ box and then use my TOSHIBA DVD Player as my main DVD player to watch all my dvds on

    and

    could you do me a setup, and NOT include my VHS player to be used for recording and just for optimum playback
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    Quick question: What model is the Sony TV?

    I ask because although you said your Tosh has just One Scart, I see from the spec it can do component video as well. If your TV can accept component as well as Scart connections, we may have another option up our sleeves.
  18. Waynester

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    Hi Bob

    heres some info i copied from a website about my Sony TV

    the model number of my TV is Sony KV-28LS35U
    it was made in 2002 :mad:

    it got a great review from all top magazines in its time, he he

    Connections
    Connector Type:

    1 x composite video/audio input ( RCA phono x 3 ) - front
    2 x SCART ( 21 PIN SCART ) - rear
    1 x RF input ( IEC connector ) - rear
    1 x S-Video input ( 4 PIN mini-DIN ) - front
    1 x headphones ( mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm ) - front
    1 x SmartLink - rear
    1 x variable audio output ( RCA phono x 2 ) - rear




    HERES THE FULL SPEC


    Manufacturer's product description
    The Sony 28LS35 is another 16:9 flat-screen television in the illustrious Wega line, which offers Virtual Dolby, Nicam Stereo sound. On-screen displays make it easy to adjust more picture, sound, and convenience features. Convenience features include a sleep timer, Auto Labeling/Auto Sorting and 1 button tuning. Smart Link synchronizes the tuning of the TV set and suitably equipped video recorders. Turn on the tube and enjoy the brilliant sights and sounds the Sony WEGA brings home.
    Audio system
    Sound Output Mode: Stereo

    Surround Sound Effects: Virtual Dolby Surround

    Digital Sound Processor (DSP): Yes

    Speakers Included: 2 speakers, subwoofer

    Output Power / Total: 24 Watt

    Features: AVLS

    Speaker(s):

    2 x right/left channel speaker - built-in - 7 Watt
    1 x subwoofer - built-in - 10 Watt

    Driver Details:

    Right/left channel speaker : 2 x high/midrange driver
    Subwoofer : 1 x woofer driver

    Connections
    Connector Type:

    1 x composite video/audio input ( RCA phono x 3 ) - front
    2 x SCART ( 21 PIN SCART ) - rear
    1 x RF input ( IEC connector ) - rear
    1 x S-Video input ( 4 PIN mini-DIN ) - front
    1 x headphones ( mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm ) - front
    1 x SmartLink - rear
    1 x variable audio output ( RCA phono x 2 ) - rear

    Miscellaneous
    AV Furniture: Cabinet unit

    Furniture Destination: TV and VCR

    Colour / Material: Grey

    Shelf Qty: 1

    Power
    Power Device: Power supply - integrated

    Manufacturer warranty
    Service & Support: 1 year warranty

    Service & Support Details: Limited warranty - 1 year

    Ciao
    Listed on Ciao since : 20/10/2002
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    Right, having looked at the Sony DVD Recorder manual again, I am of the opinion that it will be too much hassle to connect your VHS to the DVD recorder because the Scart input for recording has to be manually switched in a menu to either record RGB (Preference for Sky) or composite for the video. Also copy protected tapes would NOT play through the DVD recorder so you'd have to connect the VHS directly to the TV AV2 anyway, which means you cannot hook up the TOsh, VHS, Sky, DVD Recorder and TV because the VHS would need three scarts (1 to SKy 1 to AV2 and 1 from TOSH). Without a Scart switcher like I have (B-TEch Quintro), your connection options for viewing/recording etc are somewhat limited.

    So this is how I'd connect them up:

    SCART lead : Toshiba Scart (RGB output) to SKY VCR Scart connection.
    SCART lead : Sky TV Scart (RGB) to DVD Recorder (LINE 1 Decoder Scart - set DVD to accept RGB)
    SCART lead : DVD Recorder (LINE 3) to TV AV1
    SCART lead : VHS to TV AV2

    If you record infrequently from Tape to DVD, the best bet would be to unplug the Scart from the Sky connection on the DVD recorder and just plug in your VHS Scart output and change the DVD recorder to Video input (not RGB). Remember the DVD recorder won't record copy protected (i.e. pre-recorded films).

    Does this make sense?
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    AS a furhter note/observation, it is not clear whether the DVD recorder has to be off to view Sky / Or Toshiba, or whether recording on the DVD will preclude you watching anything else but the DVD recorder. There are usually buttons (like the TV/Sky button on the Sky handset) to switch between source materials. But I've found them a little difficult to understand how they'd all work linked together.

    I find my Scart switch box much easier (automatic) and you can select one source to record from and yet watch another .
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    Hi Bob

    thanks so very much for your help

    just 1 point, im only going to record about 10 VHS Tapes onto my DVD Recorder and thats it, thereafter its just going to be used to watch stuff on through the TV

    what do you think about plugging my VHS Player using S-Video into my TV`s S-Video sockets after i have backed up my VHS Tapes? will that give me a better picture instead of the way you suggested?
    that say freeing up and uncomplicating the SCART problems.....or lack of?

    that way i can simply have my setup simplified

    thoughts?
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    If your VHS can output S-Video, that would be better than Scart (Composite) on AV2. S-Vid is far superior to composite video. So, get your tapes transcribed, and by the sound of it as per a previosu post, set to record over Scart and make it S-Video as the Sony DVD can accept a S-Video over the Scart connection.
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    see my above post Bob, just edited it slightly
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    what cables do i need exactly my friend

    all i have now is a S-Video cable going from my S-VHS Player into my TV at the side, then a left and right AUDIO cable to hear the audio through the TV set

    i just tried it, and i can see my vhs tapes playing beautifully through my TV just using the s-video cable, so i take it that it must be working by outputting from the S-VHS player to the TV ?
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    Does your VHS have separate S-Video (mini Din) sockets as well as Scart or is it 2 x Scarts only over which S-Video is transmitted? Alos, can both of the VHS Scarts output S-Video over both Scarts or is one Scart an INPUT only and one and OUTPUT only?

    EDIT

    Ignore above as your post explains that you have just a S-Vid cable connected.

    So if you want to get the best transcribing to the DVD recorder, use a S-Vid to Scart lead and plug into the recorder and record off a S-Vid signal. Then just use a plain S-vid to S-vid cable as per your "test" between the VHS and TV. Then back to RGB scarts for the other connections.
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    Bob - how do i get your email address?


    i will Email you a picture to show you the back of my S-VHS Player

    all this is double dutch to me my friend
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    You can upload a picture in here. Click on the "Go advanced " and then "Manage attachments" and load a JPG up to the forum.
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    i cant add the picture as its just too big in file size


    at the back of the S-VHS player, there are 2 x Scart sockets and to the left of them is a S-Video socket and a left and right for Audio

    does that sound right, if so.... what does that mean

    also, the configuration you said earlier, will that now change IF i go through setting the S-VHS player using this method?
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    Mr Incredible Well-Known Member

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    If you want the best transcribing of tape to DVD you can use one of these:
    http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=35931&doy=1m2&C=SO&U=strat15
    to connect your S-video lead from the VHS to the DVD recorder.
    A lead like this (I presume you already have):
    http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=28795&criteria=s-video&doy=1m2

    AND a pair of Stereo phono leads to carry the sound (S-Video is picture only). Like this
    http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=35898&C=Maplin&U=SearchTop&T=stereo phono&doy=1m2

    Both the S-Vid and Phonos can be used to connect the VHS to the TV AFTER transcribing the tapes to DVD. The adapter is then put away for a rainy day as you won't need it again unless you want to record off your VHS via the S-Vid output.

    Then you need three of these:
    http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/t...d_group/se=Scart Leads/op=eq.html?id=vCcxTbnm

    1 x TOSHIBA to "VCR" on Sky
    1 x SKY "TV" to DVD Recorder (topmost Scart connection)
    1 x DVD recorder (bottom Scart) to AV1 on TV

    then of course S-Vid to S-Vid and stereo phonos from the VHS to the S-Vid and sound inputs on the TV.

    This lead can then be use to your TV
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    i think this is OK


    heres a rear view of whats on my S-VHS Player

    file is attached

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