Appreciate where you are both coming from. It's just that I don't really expect an awful lot from the camera on my phone. I can't imagine ever just using a phone to take pictures as opposed to a dedicated camera, and would certainly not favour one phone over another purely on the basis of its camera capabilities. Comes down to what you want on the device, and the camera is quite far down the list for me. I want a decent user interface, lots of storage memory and processing power, exchange capabilities with MS apps, gpss and primarily internet browsing at good speeds. Being happy with the WM 6.1 option, this phone ticks the right boxes for me over the iPhone and beats the Diamond because of the superior screen size (though not resolution) and expandable memory. That's why I'm waiting very impatiently for it.