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Nicola Edgington

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  1. stayingsane

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    I bumped into this forum while trying to find out about the incident at Bexleyheath. A close friend of mine committed suicide while waiting for treatment from this NHS trust. So I don't have anything good to say about this NHS trust.

    Shocking to find out that this lady killed her mother only 6 years ago when she was mentally disturbed.

    Daughter admits killing her own mother | News

    Criminal sentence - Nicola Edgington - court: Lewes

    So you do not need a rocket scientist to know that this lady will kill somebody when she is very unwell. Sun newspaper reported she was pleading to be admitted into hospital and stated that she will kill somebody.

    Section me now or I’ll go and do something | The Sun |News


    She herself went into hospital. She was sent from A&E to the mental health unit. She must have been kept waiting at the mental health unit. She was under the care of this NHS trust and they should be know that this lady is going to kill somebody. Why was she not admitted straightaway. Do you expect somebody who is that disturbed to wait patient in corridors for hours in A&E and at the door of psychiatric wards patiently waiting. This lady must have been requesting to get herself admitted for several hours!!

    If you had an accident with life threatening injuries, do you expect to wait for several hours and be send from one unit to the other without any observation for the treatment to start???

    What will happen to you if you are asked to wait for several hours in spite of asking for help while suffering from chest pain due to a heart attack???

    After my friend died, I have heard several stories of serious negligence from this NHS trust.

    Oxleas slammed over deaths in Green Parks House and Ivy Willis House (From News Shopper)


    If this happens with a private company, CEO will be kicked out.

    Why somebody senior in this trust not being charged for manslaughter???

    Are they not responsible for these deaths???

    Why are they hiding behind enquiries and waiting for these deaths to be forgotten???

    I will never forget my friend who killed herself while waiting for some help and her pleas for help being ignored by this NHS trust.
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    Don't worry. Everyone involved in the case will say "lessons have been learned" and other such crap statements and soon all will be forgiven and forgotten.
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    And the Oxleas NHS Trust will continue to claim they are the best in spite of several dying.
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    I have a relative close to me who suffers from mental illness and I shudder to think what state they might be in if left without proper care and someone ensuring they take their medication. We need to face the fact that there is no such thing as care in the community, this is a result of the government cuts. A lovely woman died needlessly, a family has been robbed of a wife; sister; mother; grandmother. The woman who killed her should never have been out of the secure hospital unit and serious questions have to be asked about the staff who are responsible for discharging her and what precautions were in place for her care after release. It smacks of the most dire negligence I have ever seen. There are of course 2 sides to every story but this is sad for both - the "killer" was very needy and had been released and left to her own devices when severely ill. The woman killed was simply amazing, by her own family and friends' descriptions - always cheerful, smiling, loving, kind and would do anything for anyone. Dearly loved and will be truly missed, as will be seen by the turnout at her funeral. Mental health services are diabolical and this is another tragic example of how they are failing both the people in their care and those of us lucky enough not to be in their care but to be living amongst those who are mentally ill and living with their conditions.
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    Please look at the Daily Mail report. According to the mental health unit, she was fit enough to be discharged from her hostel to a flat to live on her own. It is shocking to read that the hostel iteself has not much support. The office is open only from 9AM to 5PM Monday to Friday. So nobody to monitor her nor support her on weekends. So this poor woman must have been begging for some help over the weekend. The mental health unit completely ignored her and let her to wait for a bed with no supervision.

    Stab-killing mental health patient was preparing to live on her own before 'random attack' on strangers | Mail Online

    Yes diabolical.

    Who should be charged for the murder for a total stranger? HOSPITAL, HOSPITAL, HOSPITAL.

    Unless hospital authorities and those responsible for her care are charged for murder, similar incidents will continue.
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    A suggestion so deranged one would be forced to question the sanity of whoever told you it was sensible to post it.
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    I was talking to a member of the press last Weds and mentioned the 'stabbing in Bexleyheath, by the girl that murdered her Mum'.

    He stated that there is so much more to this story, but they can't report on any of it in case she pleads not guilty when it goes to trial.

    Strange world we live in, where you can murder a relative and be back living amoungst the community in 5 years. Passage from Daily Mail article back in 2005:-

    'On the night of the killing on 4 November last year, she had been to a pub with her brother Tom but had been thrown out because of her bizarre behaviour, which included doing karate chops and punches.
    Her brother noticed she had a notebook in which she had scribbled the names Bin Laden, George Bush and Reggie Kray.
    Once inside her mother?s cottage in rural Forest Row, East Sussex, she attacked her with a knife. She stabbed Mrs Edgington nine times and left her body on the fold-up bed she slept in, with the bloodied knife lying on her chest.
    Judge Anthony Scott-Gall told her: "Your attack was irrational as it was horrific."
    Prosecutor Philip Katz, QC, said: "This defendant stabbed her own mother to death with a large kitchen knife.
    "Marion Edgington was a regular churchgoer, a caring woman, a much-loved lady who had been in fear of her wayward daughter."
    "This followed years of hostility and aggression. Leading up to the death, the defendant had voiced hostility quite freely to her mother and other people.
    "The defendant may well have found out she had recently been cut out of her mother?s will."
    Mr Katz described how Nicola had been living rough in London before deciding to return to the family home for the get together.
    "She sought to blame her mother for all her woes," he said.
    After the attack Nicola went on the run. Her sister Sara, 20, appeared on television begging her to give herself up to police.
    Asked to describe her sister, she replied: "The only way to describe her is a chav."Read more: Daughter admits killing her own mother | Mail Online
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    Gleision mine manager arrested | UK news | The Guardian

    I don't know all the details this mining accident, but the manager of the mine was arrested for questioning for possible charge of manslaughter.

    Why is it so different when it comes to mental health care?? Why are mental health care authorities being protected from police??

    So many vulnerable patients kill themselves because of irresponsible behaviour by some hospital authorities. There will be investigations and lessons learned!! But nothing changes!!

    People are still being killed, and vulnerable mentally ill kill themselves. And nobody is being held responsible.

    Am I mad becoming mad about this?
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    It is clear that you have no remote experience of the mental health services in this country, otherwise you would have read that quote and silently agreed, shaking your head at the shameful truth. The NHS in this area is completely underfunded and plans put forward by this coalition government mean that it will only get worse. One example being the Edale House unit (part of the Manchester Royal Infirmary) - a relatively new block built for psychiatric care which is due to be closed later this year and the services it offers moved to the North Manchester Hospital, several miles away. Mental health services have not improved for several decades and the sad fact is that unless something is done to address and publicise these issues the situation will get worse, with far more vulnerable people in effect ignored, receiving poor if any care.
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    It is completely infuriating. Some people completely miss the point and talk about "knife crime" when in actual fact this is gross negligence by hospital staff. They should be held responsible for vicarious liability. Utter neglect by medical staff led to the stabbing of one woman and tragic death of another. Why isn't this in the headlines? It is unbelievable that something so horrendous catches our attention for a day or so and is then banished to a microscopic article on page 17 or later, talking about the fact that actually nobody waited with this seriously mentally ill woman, they just expected someone agitated and recognising she was in need of help, to sit and wait in a dingy A&E waiting room for hours on end while someone tried to find her a bed for the night. Disgusting. If my mother had been killed by Nicola Edgington I would go and find those medical staff and make them feel the pain I was feeling and ensure they saw the errors of their ways and the fact they should feel truly responsible and guilty for the loss of life that resulted from their actions (or lack of).
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    It is completely infuriating. Some people completely miss the point and talk about "knife crime" when in actual fact this is gross negligence by hospital staff. They should be held responsible for vicarious liability. Utter neglect by medical staff led to the stabbing of one woman and tragic death of another.

    Why isn't this still in the headlines?

    It is unbelievable that something so horrendous catches our attention for a day or so and is then banished to a microscopic article on page 17 or later, talking about the fact that actually nobody waited with this seriously mentally ill woman, they just expected someone agitated and recognising she was in need of help, to sit and wait in a dingy A&E waiting room for hours on end while someone tried to find her a bed for the night. Disgraceful.

    If my mother had been killed by Nicola Edgington I would go and find those medical staff and make them feel the pain I was feeling and ensure they saw the errors of their ways and the fact they should feel truly responsible and guilty for the loss of life that resulted from their actions (or lack of).
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    i hear what everyone is saying and you all have valid points , but without the facts you should not judge her, I sympathise with the families of the murdered woman its so sad, But nobody could have known what was going to happen,
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    what is the point, that you are trying to make??
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    there was only ONE persone responsible for these murders -

    the one holding the knife,
    the one who said " admit me or ill kill some one" .....(sounds like a threat rather then a cry for help)
    the one who after stabbing someone calmly walked up to somebody else and said "i think ive just killed someone"

    There has to be Waaaay more to this story than is being reported at the moment as none of it adds up in the slightest.

    and to go screaming for managers and nurses to be charged with manslaughter is ridiculous without knowing the full facts.
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    From the trust website

    Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust

    Total income of the trust is £159 Million. So a lot of money is paid to this trust to look after the vulnerable patients!!!

    According to annual review

    http://www.oxleas.nhs.uk/site-media/cms-downloads/Oxleas_Review_for_website.pdf

    "The Monitor (the independent regulator of NHS foundation trusts) risk ratings gives us a rating of 4.1 (5 is the highest) so financially we are a stable, viable organisation. The Balance Sheet shows that our Income and Expenditure Reserve increased to £10m and our cash reserves to £56.8m"

    So it is all about saving money and making the organisation stable and viable.

    Poor patients remain unstable and non viable!!!

    See the number of directors and board members.

    Board members

    Chief Executive
    Chairman
    Deputy Chief Executive and Director of Service Delivery
    Medical Director
    Director of Nursing and Governance
    Director of Human Resources and Organisational Development
    Director of Finance
    Deputy Chair
    Non Executive Director
    Non Executive Director
    Non Executive Director
    Non Executive Director

    The list goes on!!

    Executive Directors
    Director Adult Complex Needs and Recovery Mental Health Services
    Director Adult Acute Mental Health Services
    Director Forensic and Prison Services
    Director Director of Estates and Facilities
    Director Older People Mental Health Services
    Director Bexley Community Health Services
    Director Greenwich Community Health Services
    Director Child & Adolescent Mental Health and Learning Disability Services

    Chief Executive and Deputy Chief Executive!!!
    Chairman and Deputy Chairman
    And all these directors!!!

    No mention at all the amount they get paid. It should be a few millions.

    Look at this news story

    BBC News - London councils share chief executive to save money

    London councils share chief executive to save money

    The opposite happens with this trust, they save money by not propery looking after their vulnerable patients and fat cats at the top gets paid more for saving money!!
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    As Oxleas covers Bexley, Bromley & Greenwich are they not already cutting costs by having one set of directors instead of three.

    If not maybe those of that live in the boroughs covered by the trust are being misled
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    Yes, the trust website reveal that they spend a lot of money on misleading the general public. Money which should be used to look after their patients.
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    BBC News - Killings in Swindon by mental health patients 'avoidable'

    When is somebody going to listen?

    Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust, All the Executives, Chairmen and Directors

    How many more people should die and how many more reports do you need before you start thinking about looking after your mentally ill people?

    Do you not see blood in your hands?
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    Once again the people who made these mistakes seem to think it's OK if they apologise for deaths. No doubt the old cliché "lessons will be learned" will be making an appearance too.
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    Going to try and put a slightly different viewpoint on this and try and address some of the things that people have posted, some of what I say may or may not be relevant to different areas in the country.

    I work in mental health, on a busy acute admissions ward for the NHS. Have done for the last 15 years or so in 2 different settings, the current one being 10 years.

    I cant comment on the cases mentioned here as I dont have the facts/knowledge to do so but will try and clear some misconceptions on hospital care.

    First off the comment on a patient being detained for 72 hours and not allowed to leave is not strictly true. If a patient has been admitted informally in my unit they are subject to a 72 hour assessment period where we ask they dont leave the ward, however this has no legal standing within the mental health act as it is a local policy and not law. We are not allowed by law/guidelines set out by Nice, Nimhe etc to lock our ward doors without good reason too. Although to be fair our doors are locked most of the time but as I say this should not be the norm as we are classed as a open ward and not secure, this will be the same for all admission wards up and down the country unless they are a low to medium secure unit.

    Suicides on inpatient units have decreased over the last 8 years across the country, cant give figures for the community.

    As little as 10 years ago when a sectioned patient was deeemed well enough to be discharged, often they would move onto a NHS rehab unit in the community, staffed 24/7 with a doctor on call etc. This would provide longer term treatment to try and encourage compliance with medication, learning new life skills etc. Due to cutbacks from the last govt alot of these units have now closed, my own trust now only has one which is based 60 miles away and is always full due to covering the whole trust.

    Quite often now a patient is discharged into the community into private care or supported living where there is often no 24 hour cover and staffed by people on a low income with poor working conditions who are unable to give the time required to care for these people. I often wonder wether or not long term care of the chronically mentall ill should be a profit led service?

    Another problem is that once people are discharged to the community often they are looked after by a community team called AOT(Asseretive Outreach Team), this team tries to engage with the long term chronic mentally ill clients who have a history of non-compliance with medication. Problem for this team is staffing, the last govt and the current govt have squezzed budgets so that team is manned by 5 or 6 people covering over 50 clients. It used to be a 24/7 service but is now only mon-fri office hours, some trusts are closing this service.

    There was a post earlier in the thread about giving mecication in the community by CPN, this cannot be done against patients will, If they are on a community treatment order they can be forcibly brought back to hospital for treatment.

    Also earlier in the thread wasa post about untreatable personality disorder, this a difficult one as there is some evidence to suggest that therapy can help but again this is mainly provided by the private sector and is costly, clients have to be assessed by a panel for funding and with money being tight this is often turned down.


    As was pointed out earlier you have more chance being run over than being murdered by a person suffering mental health problems. Do we round up drunks on a saturday night and jail them as they or may not commit a crime/murder whilst drunk?

    All in all I think that NHS inpatient services have improved compared to the dark days of the 70's and 80's but I do realise that community services need more work, although they too are improved compared to 20 years ago, problem is with budgets being cut the way they are than these services will not improve.

    I do also accept though that if mistakes are made(of neglet) then people should have to answer to this.
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    Its not just the UK,
    I don't know if its a lack of resources as such, or if to do it properly would be prohibitively expensive so its a balance between the two, but.....

    School murder scandal shocks France


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    Just heard that two nurses who were on duty on the day of the incident have now been suspended. after investigations:mad::mad:

    All the fatcat directors continue to earn big money and retain their jobs :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    It is an often repeated story. Poorly paid overworked nurses get the blame while the senior managers get the bonuses and pay rises :mad::mad:
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    10 Horrifying thoughts about Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust


    1. Responsible for deaths of several of their patients in and outside their hospitals and the killings of innocents in South East London. Their hospital have become death camps.
    'Lack of care' blamed for 'suicides' in mental health units (From News Shopper)
    Mental patient Nicola Edgington made 21 calls for help before killing granny - Crime - News - London Evening Standard


    2. Ruled by the dictatorial royalty (chief executive, deputy chief executive and directors) from Pinewood PALACE (trust headquarters).

    Board of Directors - Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust

    3. Responsible for diverting much needed cash from the cash strapped health authorities of Greenwich, Bexley and Bromley. They do have more than 70 million pounds in their coffers! Is this theft or profiteering?

    http://www.oxleas.nhs.uk/site-media...ANNUAL_REPORT_2011-12_for_website_27.6.12.pdf




    4. Partly responsible for the closing down of essential hospital services in Lewisham and Sidcup while trying to expand their empires around South East London. Essential hospital services in South East London including A&Es and ambulance services are not able to cope with the patient they neglect and thrown into the streets. Patients have killed themselves in Princess Royal University Hospital after being denied much needed mental health care in the mental health units. Bexleyheath stabbing in another good example to patients going to A&E departments or having to ring the police or ambulance to seek mental health care.

    BBC News - Bexleyheath knife killer Nicola Edgington guilty of murder
    Save Lewisham Hospital campaign




    5. The Pinewood PALACE (trust headquaters) have more staff than any hospital or health center sites. Patients are not allowed anywhere near the PALACE. The directors do not want their pristine five star facilities to be spoiled by their patients. So the palace is located farthest away from the subjects they exhort money from.


    6. There is a rumour that the Medial Director of the trust only does private practice. He does not see any NHS patients. He makes his money by taking patients from the NHS hospital. If this is true, why is he being paid a performance related bonus of £40, 000 on top of his regular salary of more than £150,000

    http://www.oxleas.nhs.uk/site-media...ANNUAL_REPORT_2011-12_for_website_27.6.12.pdf


    7. Quick to blame poorly paid nurses gets fired while the top managers gets big bonuses.
    Bexleyheath knife murder: Nurses fired for lying how they chased killer Nicola Edgington (From News Shopper)

    Nicola Edgington: Schizophrenic who decapitated innocent grandmother in the street with 12in butcher's knife is found guilty of murder | Mail Online

    "The recommendation for her conditional release was made by a team led by Dr Janet Parrott, an eminent psychiatrist. Edgington’s own family warned against her release. In March 2011, Edgington was allowed to stop her mood stabiliser drugs after she claimed she was pregnant. She later said she had miscarried but was never restarted on the drugs.In September 2011, she told her care team she had suffered a second miscarriage and had been threatened by an ex-boyfriend.Despite this, medical notes from Edgington’s care team show they believed she was ‘coping well’." (from the daily mail news article)

    8. The number of managers keep increasing while the number of doctors and nurses keep decreasing. There is not enough room at Pinewood PALACE and they want to move to bigger offices. Doctors, nurses and patient will be kicked out to make room for more managers.



    9. They spend a huge amount of money on propaganda and meeting the targets and their propaganda department goes into overdrive if there are any awards on offer in the country. They receive several awards and their rating are always excellent. But they don't care about their patients.

    CQC gives Bracton Centre a good report - News - Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust

    Bracton Centre wins 13 Koestler Awards - News - Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust

    http://www.oxleas.nhs.uk/site-media/cms-downloads/Issue_18_-_November_2009.pdf


    10. Spend the huge amounts of money on IT department for big-brother activity to bully and intimidate staff. Trust is not concerned about patients killing themselves or killing others. Mantra is "documentation, documentation, documentation" so that Chief Executive can claim that the decisions were "sound". Ignore the poor patients, worship the computer. Nurses are not able to think about the patients, they worry all the time about getting all the forms completed.

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