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MotoGP 2011...Aragon

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  1. MarkyPancake

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    With the first test for 2011 completed after the Valencia race it's time to start thinking about the 2011 season.

    Three of the most intriguing things for me was Rossi on the Ducati, Stoner on the Honda and Elbowz on the factory Yam. Rossi got on as I suspected and suffered the same problem with the front that seemed to plague the Duc throughout 2010. It was awesome seeing The Doctor on the Ducati nonetheless. Hopefully they can sort out the front so he can ride the bike the way he wants and without his bad shoulder, which the doctors said was worse than they expected once they began operating. The crew are currently in Italy building the Ducs. I expected Stoner to be quick on the Honda, but not as high up as he was in the first test. Spies was also looking good on the factory M1, which didn't surprise me.

    I really hope all the top riders can remain injury free next season, so we can see them battle each other at each round.
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    Spies said the one thing he was afraid of this season was Stoner on a Honda. Rossi will take time to make the Duc to his liking, pedrosa will probably fall off half a dozen times over the season or get injured, same as always. IMO it'll be between Lorenzo and Stoner for the championships.
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    With the feedback that Rossi will give Ducati, you can only expect to see more Ducati's up the sharp end. They've got a better rider line up (across all of their bikes) than the season just gone. The next test will be very interesting.
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    I thought Crutchlow went well too, but forget to mention him.
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    Crutchlow went very well.:thumbsup:
    The trouble is, so did Toseland until he had a massive test crash in Sepang.
    He didn't know why it happened, so never fully recovered from it.:(
    I'm hoping Crutchlow stays on, or is able to psychlogically recover from being spat off.
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    This might sound strange, but I think the worse thing Crutchlow could possibly do is have a brilliant first race at Qatar, as then it would put even more pressure on him to get the right results. In my mind, that's what happened to Toseland. Had a brillaint first race, and then expectations of him rose.

    And as we all know, he lost his ride, lost his Yamaha WSBK ride and is now on a BMW.
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    The Toseland thing was a bit strange in some respects as it did seem to finish his progression off completely.

    Perhaps he was a bit more psychologically fragile than expected or whatever,but as we've seen with Spies and especially Lorenzo,some of these guys really are as tough as old boots,and just get back on it,and keep learning until they've got it hacked.

    Hopefully Crutchlow will be from that group.
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    IIRC, reports actually said Toseland's Sepang crash was horrific, with many observers fearing the worst.
    He called it the "biggest crash of his life", and this is a guy that broke both ankles in one BSB crash.:eek:
    Many think he just lost a little faith in the bike/team after that.
    Even the hardest of the hard (Schwantz/Doohan etc.) are only one crash away from thinking "sod this".
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    Doohan nearly did call time after is Assen crash in '92.
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    He was nearly forced to, as leg amputation was only minutes away from happening before Dr.Costa intervened.:eek:
    But he wasn't ready to give up then.
    His crash at Jerez in 1999 was the one where he decided "Enough's enough".
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    Aye I remember that one. Back in the day when those 500cc two-stroke beasts would spit you off without any warning.

    Chris Walker had a lucky escape (at Assen again) when riding the Shell NSR 500. Helmet saved his life there. Think it was similar to Doohan's in that the rear tyre spun up on the white line and it spat him off. Had a tough time of it that year did the Stalker.
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    He did indeed.
    Was on a hiding to nothing when he found out the team weren't even allowed to change handlebars/footrests to suit him.
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    The ride was doomed from the start. And a (very) young Leon Haslam didn't get on any better with the bike when Walker left halfway through the season. The best I've seen Walker ride was back in BSBK. Must have been year 2000, with him on the Suzuki and Hodgson on the orange GCSE Ducati. Best season of BSBK ever in my mind.

    Going back onto MotoGP, what would people have as their 'race of the year'?
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    Mine would be Estoril.
    Rossi looked like he had that race sewn up by a country mile.
    Lorenzo pulled off the mother of all comebacks.
    Incredible.
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    I don't think Lorenzo will dominate as much as he did this season. Rossi will be fit by the time the season starts, Spies isn't wanting to prove that he is a works rider, Stoner on the Honda will want to show to HRC that he is the No.1 Honda rider.

    Going to be a cracking season.
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    The battle for bragging rights at HRC should be interesting...Pedrosa and Puig regard it as their turf,and having Stoner in there should be quite a twist for the little guy.

    I don't think Lorenzo will run away with it as he did this year,as he will have Rossi,Stoner,Pedrosa and Spies to contend with.
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    Edwards will want to go out with a bang, as this will be his last season I think.

    Be interesting to see how Bradley Smith does in Moto2.
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    Be nice to see him try, for a change.
    He's done nothing of note for years.
    Waste of a seat/wage, IMO.
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    I don't think it's down to the fact that he's not trying at every race, I just think it was down to the fact that having Spies as a team mate, who was easily quicker than Colin at pretty much every race wasn't something new to him. He was beaten Toseland on a regualr basis, and I din't think he'd realised how quickly Spies would get to grips with MotoGP.

    Edwards, Spies, Nicky Hayden and Bayliss are proof that Superbike riders can make that change from Superbike to MotoGP.
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    I think Edwards is one of those riders only willing to push 100% if the bike is 100%.
    Hence the fact he's 12th one week (Aragon) and 5th the next (Japan).
    His average position over the season has been 9th.
    Not great at all.:thumbsdow
    IMO, and I've said it before on here, he's extremely lucky to get another paid year out of MotoGP.
    As far as I'm concerned, he's one of the many riders MotoGP need to ship out.
    If factories think he's worth keeping on a test rider, make him a test rider.
    But get him off the grid.
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    He's a great character to have around the paddock. I was lucky enough to meet him a few years ago (back in his Honda RC45 WSBK days...or when he had hair) and he's a sound chap. I wonder if he'll go down to route of being a team manager?
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    Capirossi is great with the fans too.
    I've got photos of us with him as far back as the early 90s.
    All of us sporting dodgy hairdos.:D

    But, nice guy aside, I'm afraid Capirossi is another I'd like to see booted out of MotoGP.:(
    The grid needs freshening up like you wouldn't believe.
    Edwards and Capirossi are not the way forward.

    It's nothing personal at all.
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    Agreed. Capirossi is a legend, and his wife is pretty easy on the eye also. I'd say Capirossi has a couple of more season's left in him at best. I think he's one of those riders who will always be in and around the MotoGP paddock long after he's finished riding.
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    I reckon Edwards was more motivated in 2009 after the crew chief switch and then last year he had a team mate from the same State - Spies was actually born in Tennessee, but he refers to himself as Texan - so probably didn't mind the younger team mate this time around.
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    Having Edwards as a team mate will do Crutchlow the world of good. My question is when Edwards does retire, will Tech 3 either;

    A) Expect Crutchlow to lead the team?
    B) Move one of their Moto2 riders up to the MotoGP team?
    C) Or will Yamaha get someone else in to lead the Tech 3 MotoGP team?
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    Just yesterday, Edwards said "Crutchlow is no Spies". :rolleyes:

    Racers-Republic | Edwards: Cal Crutchlow is no Ben Spies

    Strange comments from someone supposed to helping Crutchlow.:facepalm:
    Could have been more diplomatic, at the very least.

    Or perhaps Edwards is a bit miffed Crutchlow was only 0.158 seconds slower than Edwards in the Valencia test.;)
    Complete rookie with the same shoulder injury as Rossi (now operated upon).

    To answer your question as to what Tech3 will do once Edwards retires.
    Entirely depends on how Crutchlow does.:thumbsup:
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    The advantage Spies had over Crutchlow was that he'd ridden a MotoGP bike before (Suzuki at Donnington and the Yamaha at Valencia), and had a faint idea on how to set up a MotoGP bike and what to expect. Judging by what Edwards as said there, I get the impression that he feels Cal is more of a threat to him than Spies ever was. Which just seems odd to me.
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    Edwards can be a bit of a dick, I think.
    One of those vehement Amer'cuns.
    If you ain't Amer'cun, you ain't sheeeeeeeeeeeit (spit.....TING! )

    Hopefully Crutchlow will make him eat his words.
    Or squeal like a piggee.
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    I've been thinking about what Edwards said a bit more, and maybe it's his way of telling Crutchlow to prove himself, and that he's now racing in the big league. Not that Crutchlow needs reminding of this.
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    Correct.
    The first rule of racing has always been 'beat your team-mate'.
    In Crutchlow's case 'put Edwards on his backside' might apply.
    :laugh:

    I'll certainly raise a little smile every time he goes past Edwards (I would have anyway)
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