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LCD -matrices,differences and what models are placed

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by hristoslav2, Oct 31, 2009.

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  1. orientalmed

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    Thank you hristoslav ...I do not understand your reasons..but I accept them ..
    But why the blur for the pixels is extend only on horizontal, and is almost double the size of the initial pixel..This make the vertical lines...double and blurred..

    And why only on vertical lines?

    I have at home another 22 inch TN monitor and it does not show this phenomena. the black pixels are clearly delimited..on every colored surface ..

    Thank you
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  2. ed71

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    Hi ed71
    Greetings from Bulgaria :thumbsup:
    Look at the sticker that is glued to the bottom of the hull of the TV.
    There is a written code of three digits.
    http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:62:12718:5251:1
    Compare this code with those listed in this table. So you will see model matrix-paste it into your TV.

    Philips Display Code
    http://www.uploadarchief.net/files/download/display code overview.pdf


    Olá ed71
    Saudações da Bulgária.
    Olha o adesivo que é colado na parte inferior do casco da TV.
    Existe um código escrito de três dígitos.
    Compare esse código com os listados nesta tabela. Então você vai ver modelo cole-matriz-lo em sua TV.
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  4. orientalmed

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    Sorry Hristoslav because I insist to you .
    So you affirm that my TV is not defective with those blurred pixels on horizontal ?
    I am very sad...:lease: Hope that in the summer when I will be at Golden sand at Black sea, I will offers you an traditional wine and cheers..
  5. ed71

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    ola hristoslav2 :thumbsup: Greetings from Brazil
    thank you so much for the help and attention, my tv does not have that sticker with the code, I looked across the back.
    Yesterday I finished reading all your posts and links that you posted, and in post # 64 this topic, I found the code to access the service menu and used the table that you passed.


    [​IMG]



    Now I know that the panel is sharp, but i dont know what kind, or ASV UV2A?

    thanks and congratulations for the information and knowledge.
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    Hi, ed71 :)
    Your panel is Sharp UV2A RGB 8 bit type.
    :)
  7. hristoslav2

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    I did not know that it will use the TV as a monitor, with programs for photo and video editing .... In this case, take your laptop and go to test in-store television who will perform best. Most programmers prefer Monitor AS-IPS and TW-IPS Panel.


    The reason for the effect of the photographs is the work of a videoprocessor and a second color filter /horizontal polarizer film/ which is glued to the outside of the LCD panel.

    Each LCD panel has two colored polarizing filters. The first is vertical polarization, the second with horizontal polarization.

    /polarizer film in this picture/
    http://www.auo.com/upload/media/gfs/tech/_20101014091344_56896.jpg
    AUO - TFT-LCD Process Slide Show TFT-LCD Proce

    AUO - TFT-LCD Process

    Video
    AUO - TFT-LCD Process Flash
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
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  8. orientalmed

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    ola adtomov,,Thank you. :thumbsup:

    a picture of my panel, my camera can only that.

    [​IMG]
  10. Kevin Ar18

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    I wasn't sure if I should ask here or start a new thread.

    I'm considering the Toshiba 40E200U and would like to figure out the panel type. Is the Toshiba info still accurate for such a new model? (The info says after 2008 and does not tell how to detect TN panels.)

    If the info is not relevant, let's say I find out the display model has a very good viewing angle, what numbers should I then look for on the display model so I can find a box that has a similar panel type?
  11. Kevin Ar18

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    I actually have a similar issue to orientalmed (I saw it after I made my post and was rather surprised).

    I figured I might as well ask about it on the off chance you know, since I have to decide to return a TV tomorrow.


    Here's the problem:
    [​IMG]
    Basically, If you mix a black line with a while area, it will create a white shadow 2 pixels above and below the black line.

    Black line on all white background - no problems.
    Black line on all grey background - no problems.
    No horizonal issues.
    If I make the background white and the inside of the box grey (the reverse of the image), I see the shadow inside the box instead of outside.

    Notes:
    Image sharpening off, computer set to same res as tv, overscan off.
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    Far as I know Toshiba 40E200U-model is designed for North America-United States and Canada / last letter - U /. I do not have information on the American model - but I'm pretty sure that puts LCD panel in this model is a type S-PVA.

    Toshiba info is still accurate


    Toshiba 40XF350PG - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40XF356DG - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba Regza 52Z3030DG - LTA520HE04 - S-PVA WCG (10bit) - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 37XV500PG,37XV635DG, 37C350, 37X3031DG,37XV550 - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 42XV500 - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 40RV525R - LTA400HA11 S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40RV525R - LTA400HA11,07 S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 32AV635DR - H-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 32AV615DG --H-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 32AV605PG - H-IPS
    Toshiba 32RV635DB - LTF320HA09 S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40, 46, 52XV645U,640U - S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 32RV635DB - LTF320HA09 S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 42ZV635DG - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 42RV635DG - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 42XV635DG - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 37XV635DR - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 40,46,52XV645U,640U - S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 46SV685 - S-PVA Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 55SV685 - LTA550HF01 - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40LV685DG - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40LV655PR - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 46ZV555DR - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 32AV605,32AV615,32AV625,32AV635 - G8LGD32V4, LC320WXN-SBB1 , LK315T3LA51
    Toshiba 22AV605PG - TN
    Toshiba 37AV615 - LC370WXN-SBB1 - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 32RV625,32RV635 - LTA320HA04 - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 55ZV635DG - S-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 32AV635 - H-IPS - LG Dispay (LGD)
    Toshiba 32LV655P - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)

    Toshiba 40WL768 - LTA400HL06 - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40RV753 - LTA400HM02 - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 40XV733G - LTA400HF11 - Samsung (S-LCD) http://www.yslcd.com.tw/docs/product/LTA400HF11.pdf
    Toshiba 37XV733G - LC370WUD-SCG1. - LG Display
    Toshiba 40VL733 - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 32LV733G - A-MVA3 - AUOptronics
    Toshiba 40SL733G - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 46XV733G - S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD)
    Toshiba 42SL738G - LG Display


    Toshiba 19AV733.19AV734 - M185B1-L03-CMO
    Toshiba 22AV703,22AV733,22AV734 - V216B1-L02-CMO
    Toshiba 26AV703,26AV733 - V260B3-L04-CMO

    32AV733-LTA320AP12 SAMSUNG
    32AV734-LC320WXN-SCC1 LG
    32LV733-T315HW04 V4 AUO
    32LV703-LTA320HA04-T01 SAMSUNG
    32RV733,32RV743,32RV753-T315HW04 V4 AUO
    32XV733,32XV743-LC320WUD-SCG1 LG
    32VL733,32VL743-LTA320HF02 SAMSUNG
    32SL733,32SL753-LTA320HF02 SAMSUNG
    32YL743-LTA320HF02 SAMSUNG
    32ZV743-LC320WUD-SCG1 LG
    32KV731,32TV743-T315HW04 V4 AUO

    37RV733,37RV743,37RV753,37TV743-T370HW03 VJ AUO
    37XV733,37XV743-LC370WUD-SCG1 LG

    40LV703,40LV733-LTA400HM02 SAMSUNG
    40XV733-LTA400HF11 SAMSUNG
    40RV733,40RV743-LTA400HM02 SAMSUNG
    40VL733-LTA400HF12 SAMSUNG
    40WL753-LTA400HL01 SAMSUNG
    40ZV743-LTA400HF11 SAMSUNG
    40SL753-LTA400HF12 SAMSUNG
    42XV635-LC420WUD-SBG1 LG

    46XV733-LTA460HJ04 SAMSUNG
    46SL733,46SL736,46SL753-LTA460HJ05 SAMSUNG
    46WL753- LTA460HQ01 SAMSUNG
    46VL733,46VL743-LTA460HJ05 SAMSUNG
    46ZV743- LTA460HJ04 SAMSUNG

    55WL753-LTA550HQ01 SAMSUNG
  13. Kevin Ar18

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    Thanks.
    You list a panel beside many of the models in that list (S-IPS, S-PVA, etc...). Does this mean that all versions of that model use that panel type and I am pretty safe to buy that model (don't need to check box)? Or are all Toshibas still a panel lottery and require checking serial numbers or box info like you mention in your earlier post?
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    hristoslav2, is there an easier list of TVs that tells which ones have IPS panels?

    I'm having a very difficulty time trying to find something definitive.

    So, far about all I know is that if I get a Panasonic that says IPS on their website, it will be. However, for all other brands:

    * I can't tell whether I need to check the box/serial or if I can check for specific models.
    * On some of the brands, I don't know how to tell if it is IPS.


    Other than getting a Panasonic that specifically says IPS, are there any other easy to know models/brands that won't require digging through lots of serial numbers and boxes?
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    Here's what I got. Can you confirm any of this hristoslav2?

    Toshiba:
    Some Toshibas you can tell by their model number (so you just buy that model) but others are a "panel lottery" and you have to look for a special number on the box. Although, I'm not 100% confident that I would pick which ones are by model and which are by serial correctly.

    Philips
    According to this page: http://www.avforums.com/forums/10708671-post2.html
    every single Philips is a "panel lottery" and you can't be sure unless you check for a specific number on the box.

    Samsung
    The only way to tell it to look at the sticker on the actual TV itself (no box and definitely not by model).

    Sharp
    No idea. Can you tell? How?

    LG
    No idea. Can you tell? How?

    Sony
    The only way to tell is to look on back of TV (no box and definitely not by model)?

    Panasonc
    It will say IPS on the product page/Panasonic website for that model.
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    It appears that even with Panasonic now you cannot be certain of the origin of the IPS panel as it appears they now use LG originated IPS panels in some 32" and 37" models. IMHO the in-house IPS -alpha panels are still the best in this technology. The 42" Panasonics use LG H-IPS panels (I think!)

    I have seen suggestions that IPS-alpha are about to launch 42" and 47" panels, but I find it surprising that they are outsourcing IPS panels for their 32" and 37" models.
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    Do you have any more info about this? What was the source of the info?

    Now that is a very bothersome thought.

    First off, thank you very much for bringing it up. Second, I really could use more info on this.

    I want to get a 40" or 42" IPS panel with good viewing angles (this means no H-IPS).

    I was considering this Panasonic 42": TC-L42U25 - All VIERA® Flat-Panel HDTVs - Shop and Compare at Panasonic

    But if it is H-IPS, that would be very bad. I need the good viewing angle. Panasonic was the only brand I could figure out a way to find an IPS, and now you are suggestion even that options is no good. :(


    BTW, are IPS-Pro, IPS Alpha, and AS-IPS the same thing?
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    Hi Kevin Ar18
    In various diagonals of the same model used a different type matrices.
    This is conditioned by the fact that none of the manufacturers do not make molds for all diagonals.

    For example, S-PVA - Samsung (S-LCD) does not produce matrices at 37", 42" and 47" size.
    For example LG Display does not produce matrices in 40" and 46" size.


    Toshiba:
    In the same model and diagonally-set the same type of matrix. Model of the covers can be seen in the designation of the sticker affixed to the rear.
    Model of the covers can be seen behind bars in the top right.

    Philips:
    Applies the same as Toshiba. In some rare cases / where did a model videopaneli in storage but it needs the production of a model TV / urgently deliver videopaneli from other producers who postyavyat in TVs. Watch the designation of the little sticker.

    Samsung:
    Here we have two lotteries, one with matrices, the other with setting chassis. In the same model / diagonal can put two types of matrices comes different chassis / videoprocessors/. The model depends on the imposed chassis good work of built-in USB player and speed of switching programs.
    For matrix-Watch the designation of the little sticker.
    Attention! Downloading the firmware version keep track of the exact name of your model / sales suffix.
    Often found identical models with different chassis and processors for example-LE32C530J1W and LE32C530F1W. Observe the suffix of your model to match the model you're downloading firmware. Monitor letter by letter and digit by digit!
    Models beginning with LA are for the U.S. market, those beginning with LE are for European market / by us.
    In the name of the firmware can understand how a videoprocessor is placed in your TV model.
    (T-VAL * DEUC_ ****.*. exe) videoprocessor Valencia
    (T-CHL * DEUC_ ****.*. exe) videoprocessor Chelsi
    (T-ARS * DEUC_ ****.*. exe) videoprocessor Arsenal
    (T-TDT * DEUC_ ****.*. exe) videoprocessor Trident
    (T-MSX * DEUC_ ****.*. exe) videoprocessor MStar

    Sharp
    Place mainly their videopanels. In small diagonals put panels and other manufacturers. Model of the covers can be seen behind bars in the top right.
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  19. lalihifi

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    Hi!
    I have not found anywhere that panels are equipped with:
    Sony KDL-40 WE5
    Sony KDL-46 WE5
    Maybe someone knows these panels. (LCDs have not here)
    ?
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    Hi lalihifi
    SONY KDL-40WE5500 - LTY400HF05A02 S-PVA (S-LCD)
    Sony KDL-46 WE5 - Samsung S-PVA or panel A-MVA from AUO
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    LTY400HF05A02 I knew that this is the KDL-40W5500 not for KDL-40WE5500.
    WE Series has less power consumption (30% .. 40%).
    I knew that the lamps are different.
    It would be nice if they would fit even t-cone and the front (LCD)
    I could mount the old stand lamps (lamps with drivers of course)
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    KDL-40W5500 - CCFL Cold Catode Fuorescent Lamp
    KDL-40WE5500 - HCFL Hot Catode Fuorescent Lamp





    These are manufacturers of safety glazing in your TV screens.
    Nippon Electric Glass Co., Ltd.
    http://www.scp.samsung.com/
    Corning Incorporated | Home
    Asahi Glass
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    I agree that different light (and inverter power).
    I think the T-CON and front panel are the same.
    Tv's have the same chassis.:)
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    I am wondering several things about your Panasonic information.


    1. You list TX- models (meaning for Europe and not the US). Could US models (aka TC-) not have the same panels?

    2. You mention that Panasonic have either: S-IPS from LG, AS-IPS, IPS-Pro, or IPS-Alpha. Can you give some explanation of the differences between these? You have S-IPS and AS-IPS listed, but I'm vague on what the IPS-Pro and ISP Alpha mean. In particular how do they rate in terms of viewing angle?

    3. Someone mentioned Panasonic may be switching to panel lottery with the possibility some may have H-IPS. Do you have any info on this?
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    Both W5500 and WE5500 are based on the same chassis and matrix. The only differences are in the design of housing and type of lamps in the backlight. WE5500 is an ecological version of W5500.

    How to decipher Sony model 2009? instance - SONY KDL-32E5510
    K - abbreviation for television
    D - Display means
    L - LCD (Sony does not make plasma TVs for several years so that now means TV KDL)
    32 - size in inches
    E - Series, series increasing as grade / G, B, L, U, P, S, D, V, W, WE, E, EX, Z, ZX, X / (Down - X, Z, WE, ZX, E , W, V, S, U, L)
    * W -
    * E - Environmental
    * WE - Ecological variation of W with backlight HCFL
    * EX - green variant of X with WCG-CCFL backlight
    * Z - with 200Hz
    * ZX - 200Hz with Egge-led backlight
    * X - Led Local Dimming backlight / 46 "up /
    5 - means model
    * 5 -
    * 4 -
    * 3 -
    * 2 -
    5 - functions in addition
    * 0 - only DVB-T tuner
    * 5 - DVB-T and DVB-C tuners
    * 7 - CI + slot + black speaker grille
    * 8 - DVB-T, DVB-C and DVB-S2 tuners
    10 - color / design of the model (zero at the end is part of the name of the color / design)
    * 00 - black frame
    * 10 - colored walnut
    * 20 - Aluminum Frame
    * 30 - white
    * 40 - purple
    * 50 - Dark Walnut
    * 60 -
    * 70 - pink / - for various different series
    Finally, the letter of the model indicates the region which is intended to model.
    * U - area code for the UK / accept BG-PAL-I /
    * AEP - means The Europe model / All Europian Produkt /
    * K - means the Central and Eastern Europe
    * E - area code for Europe
    * R - area code for Russia

    1. I have no observations on the requisite matrix in the U.S.models.
    2. Panasonic put in their European models 4 types of matrices
    TN - purchased from different manufacturers
    S-IPS or AS-IPS - from LG in 42 inch models
    AS-IPS - own production at the factory they called IPS-Alpha
    IPS-Pro - own production at the factory they called IPS-Alpha

    Since March last year the factory in Japan produces 42-inch molds IPS-Pro. Output if only to cover the Japanese market and partly the U.S. market.
    http://www.hitachi-displays.com/en/news/2016473_18571.html
    http://www.vieraexperience.com/html/en_GB/tv-specifications/viewing-angle/ips-alpha

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD
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    I'm not sure what to make of this, but I emailed Panasonic asking them what panel was in the TC-L42U25. Get this, they say the following:
    "Thank you for your inquiry. All Panasonic LCD TVs use the IPS Alpha panel"

    I'm not sure what to make of that. :) I'm guessing someone actually saw an LG panel in some of the TVs ... hmm guess I should email them back. :)
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    hello again, if the TV series philips 7000, 8000, has the same processors (PNX8550x (TV550).

    Why does the 7000 series do not have the perfect natural motion and 3d ready? The reason is the software or hardware? I can enable perfect natural motion on HD 7000 series?
    Thank you for your attention
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    Hi ed71
    58PFL9955H, 32-46PFL9705M, 32-52PFL8605M - chassis Q551.1E (TV550 200 Hz)
    32-46PFL9705H(K), 32-52PFL86X5H(K) - chassis Q551.1E (TV550 200 Hz)
    42PFL6805H - chassis Q55X.XX (TV550 Xxxx, SDRAM XXXMB)
    32-46PFL76X5M/08, 32-42PFL7605C/08, 32-52PFL5605M/08 - chassis Q552.1E (TV550 Basic + Extension, SDRAM 512MB)
    32-46PFL76X5H(K), 32-42PFL7605С/12, 40PFL6605H, 40PFL5605K - chassis Q552.1E (TV550 Basic + Extension, SDRAM 512MB)
    32-52PFL5XX5H, 32PFL6605H, 32PFL3805H, 32PFL3705H - chassis Q552.1E (TV550 Basic, SDRAM 256MB)
    32-47PFL3605H, 32PFL3205H, 42PFL3405H - chassis TPM5.1E Video Processor MediaTek MT5363H
    19-26PFL3405H, 22PFL3415H, 19,26PFL3205H - chassis TPM5.2E Video Processor MediaTek MT5363H
    22PFL3805H - chassis TPM5.3E Video Processor MediaTek MT5363
    32-42PFL3605 - chassis TPM4.1E Video Processor
    32PFL3205 - chassis TPM4.1E Video Processor MediaTek MT8222
    32PFL3615 - chassis RAM1.0R Video Processor
    19-26PFL3405 - chassis TPN1.1E Video Processor NovaTek NT72626

    LCD

    In 9000 and 8000 unless the processor NXP / Trident PNX85500 has added two processors NXP / Trident PNX5120
    http://www.tridentmicro.com/producttree/tv/dtv/pnx/tv550-pnx8550x/
    http://www.tridentmicro.com/producttree/tv/dtv/pnx/pnx5120/
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2011
  30. adtomov

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    Hi, Kevin Ar18 :)
    I've personally seen many Panasonic CLD TV sets with S-IPS panel. All 42" and some of the 37" last year Panasonic LCD TV sets for EU were supplied with this type of panel.

    Here is the difference between Panasonic S-IPS panel:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/atta...fferences-what-models-placed-tx-l42v20e_s.jpg

    and Panasonic IPS-Pro (vectus) panel:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/atta...models-placed-ips-pro-samsung_le37b530-_s.jpg

    The difference is clearly seen under a 20x magnifying glass...
    ;)
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2011
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