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LCD/LED TV Console Gaming Input Lag list/chart

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by ClassicRyu, Dec 28, 2010.

  1. ClassicRyu

    ClassicRyu Member

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    Hi all, I am a dedicated console gamer (PS3/360/PS2/etc.) who is on the hunt for a 40" LCD/LED TV that is relatively low on input lag via a HDMI Input. My bread and butter games are the likes of Street Fighter 4, Tekken 6, BlazBlue, etc. which require fast reflexes and instant response in order to enjoy and play these games well.

    I know that input lag on these current LCD/LEDs have certainly become an issue for console gamers.

    Therefore I've created this thread to help gamers who are looking for a low input lag TV. I will start with some officially reported input lags for specific LCD/LED TVs, along with the source of the information (if known). It would be great if other users can post their LCD/LED TV input lag findings of their own - research, reports or even owner self-tests. Anything will be appreciated!

    Let's begin...

    - 40" Sony Bravia KDL40EX703 - 31ms - 35ms (Game Mode ON)
    Sony KDL40EX703/ KDL40EX703U Review

    - 40" Sony Bravia KDL40EX503 - 60ms (Game Mode ON)
    Sony KDL40EX503/ KDL40EX503U/ KDL-40EX503 Review

    - 32" Sony Bravia KDL32EX403 - 40ms (Mode not specified, but assumed Game Mode ON)
    Sony KDL32EX403/KDL32EX403U/KDL40EX403/KDL40EX403U Review

    - 40" Sony Bravia KDL40EX713/EX40EX710 - average 71ms (specified Game Mode ON)
    Reported from an owners thread after doing his/her own test, I forgot which forum it was, possibly this one

    - 40" Samsung LE40C650/C652/C654 - 45ms (Game Mode ON)
    Samsung LE40C650/ LE40C652/ LE40C654/ LE40C630 Review

    - 32" Samsung LE32C530 - 14ms (Calibrated Movie Mode!)
    Samsung LE32C530/ LE40C530 Review: Full HD 1080p LCD TV

    - 40" Samsung LE40C750 - 41ms (Game Mode ON) / 103ms (Game Mode and Motion Plus OFF)
    Samsung LE40C750/ LE46C750 3D TV Review: 200Hz LCD HDTV

    - 40" Samsung LE40C580 - 35ms (Game Mode ON)
    Samsung LE40C580/ LE32C580 Review: Freeview HD LCD TV

    - 40" Toshiba 40RV753 - around 35ms (Game Mode ON)

    If we were to go by the above statistics, then generally speaking the Samsung 32" C530 (14ms) and the Sony 40" EX703 (31ms) would be good choices.

    The reason for the Sony EX703's low(ish) input lag is due to them using the Sharp panels. However this model has been discontinued and replaced with the EX713 (uses a different panel) - which from the thread I remember reading, produced an awful input lag of 71ms average.

    Anyway, post your input lag contributions, thanks!
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  2. Nielo TM

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    You've missed 40C580 and 40RV753:)

    Both have around 35ms in Game Mode
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  3. CaptainChaos85

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    how do you work out the lag? :confused:

    be interesting to know what my 32" r88bd puts out ;).
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    You don't have to worry about the R88
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    Thanks for that, added the 40C580 to the list for now. :)

    Hmm, a 40" Samsung around 35ms, that's pretty good.
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    how so? about the R88.
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    Samsung 40C580 and Toshiba 40RV753 are the best 40" LCD for gaming atm

    The C580 also has the best blacks for a static LCD and the Tosh has 10-bit dithered panel and processor
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    Because it an older model ;)

    Only the 2009+ models have serious lag issues.
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    ha fair point ;)..

    so how would the lg ld450 rack up? 42" & 47" if there would be any difference at all..
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    Low-end LGs have very good latency. So its not a problem.
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    What about the LG 47LD690?

    I am thinking of getting that but would avoid if it has input lag with gaming...
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    That I don't know

    :(
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    I'm not sure on that one either, doesn't seem to be any documented info regarding input lag on it.

    However I think the general rule is (correct me if I'm wrong on this), the larger the screen and the more advanced/complex it is, the more chances of a higher input lag.
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    Do you think this is the start of a trend? Looking for a 32" for similar reasons as OP but with PC monitor requirements and so far Im seeing similar input lag results too. Was thinking maybe I should wait til April for the new models to come out to hope for something better suited...

    @OP - have you considered things like ghosting/response rate? It still appears to be an issue dependent on the electronics and nearly as distracting as high input lag IMO

    Also whats consider a good/bad time for input lag? Looking at that list on the Samsung 530 would initially interest me - but Im used to lowish times coming from monitors...

    ps3ud0 :cool:
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    I'm not a total expert on this, but from the research I done, regarding household LCD/LEDs (NOT PC Monitors), I would say:

    - A good input lag time for a 32" LCD/LED would be 30ms and under.

    - A good input lag time for a 40" LCD/LED would be 35ms and under.

    - A bad input lag time for a 32" LCD/LED would be anything over 35ms.

    - A bad input lag time for a 40" LCD/LED would be anything over 40ms.

    The Sony KDL40EX503 is reported to give around 60ms of input lag in Game Mode, and the Sony KDL40EX713 is said to give around 70ms of input lag in Game Mode - both lags awful. If anyone here has a 40EX713 I wouldn't mind you testing the Input Lag in Game mode on that set, for a second opinion!

    Originally before I researched I wanted a 100hz/120hz set to make the PS3 games look better - but it seems that the 100hz/120hz technology serves no benefit to gaming, in fact it seems it produces a higher input lag. :(

    So for now, it seems the Samsung LE40C580 is the one to go for console gaming. It doesn't have 100hz/120hz, but that's not required for gaming right? It's cheap too, so maybe get this one to last you for about 2-3 years, then go for an OLED set - which apparently can produce low input lags.

    If you want an LED-LCD, the Sony KDL40EX703 (NOT the EX713) is one to consider, as the review suggests this one has 31ms - 35ms. Reason being is because it uses the Sharp panel. It's also 100hz/120hz too, so that's quite impressive.
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    The panasonic plasma TX-P50VT20B has reported input lag of 16ms in game mode. If anyone knows of a 3D TV with less, can you let me know !
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    Aren't Samsung 0.0001ms?

    PS50C650

    Think they do 3D Models....
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    No

    TBH, I don't know where that number came from. PDP's charge and discharge latency is high than that.
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    Came from the Samsung website :blush:
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    I know Samsung, LG and Panasonic use that number to promote Plasma, but I don't know how they got in the first place or what it signifies.

    PDPs have hold-time and the phosphors have charge and discharge time and they are all different
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    In its standard modes, the amount of input lag present on the sharp LC40LE821E makes most games all but unplayable, but fortunately, changing the [AV Mode] to “GAME” results in the polar opposite: lag of only 19ms, which makes games absolutely excellent fun to play on this screen. Most 2010 LCD displays lag around 30-40ms, so Sharp's figure of just under 20ms is a remarkable achievement.....

    this sharp is a 40" LED lcd tv... around £650, ive been hunting for around a month now, and keep being drawn back to this range for the gaming side only... i rarely use my bedroom tv for anything other than gaming (other than bed time viewing with the lady) so this is a big deal! 19ms for a 40"....need i say more
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    sharp TVs do have low lag, but their over-all quality leaves a lot to be desired.

    If you want a quality Sharp mode, you'll have to import one from Japan.
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    this is true, but i have read alot of reviews from people who have bought them and everyone seems to be ok! that model is £630, for a 40" led tv isnt too bad, and it comes with (which is also a factor in me wanting it) a 5 year guarantee! which is pretty good!

    i still am not 100% on if i will buy this tv, just cant find anything else that beats it for that money at the mo.
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    My Samsung LCD TV 40" from 3/4 years ago is quoted as 8ms ..... I'm not sure how true that is though! I can give the model number if needed?

    I've been after a 46-52 inch TV Plasma or LED for ages which is 90% gaming but I can't decide as I don't know their true lag/response time if their advertising isn't correct (moans - not sexually!)
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    That's 8ms applies to gray to gray pixel response time
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    Where are you getting this 5 year guarantee from? I can't find anywhere that offers this, I'm very interested in this TV!

    Cheers
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    Thanks but not sure what this means....

    Could you please help :lesson: The new Samsung range quotes 0.0001ms response time but if this isn't true or the wrong calculation for lag when it comes to gaming what do we look for :lease:

    I'm looking for a 50" basically with or without 3D Plasma as it's cheaper and better for lag I think!! Panasonic seems to be a favourite but what model are the more expensive ones that much better? LG specs for the money are very good but what's the lag like same for Samsung?! :suicide:
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    That's the quoted pixel response of the pixel, but it's a useless value as it doesn't state if it's the charge or discharge value.

    Also, it has nothing to do with input lag.

    Lag on Samsung and LG varies, and both aren't as resilient as the Panasonic PDP with it comes to Image Retention and Burn-In. So you have to be more careful.

    I think PS50C550 may fit your bill and it can easily be turned into 50C580 via the service menu.

    TBH, when it comes to PDP, I would stick with Panasonic's NeoPDP range.
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    As stated in another thread.

    I used Guitar Hero: Metallica to determine my input lag (may not be as accurate as official tests) but it states my

    40" Sony Bravia KDL40NX713 with Game selected in "Scene" had a Video Input Lag of just 2ms.

    If that is true that is crazily the best LED LCD out there, so i am sure official tests would reveal a worse result.

    Just posting what i found.
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    I have this model and can confirm that it is excellent on game mode with my Xbox 360

    As for this comment
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    Nielo TM - sharp TVs do have low lag, but their over-all quality leaves a lot to be desired.

    If you want a quality Sharp mode, you'll have to import one from Japan.
    uquote

    Initial results with the 821e can be dissapointing as the pre-configured settings - Auto, Standard, Film, PC, Game, User, etc are way off,but if you let the panel settle down and then tweak away at the settings the quality of the images produced by this tv is outstanding so I have no idea what Nielo TM is basing his comment on, but in my experience that is just not the case. I have had intermittant issue with audio sync on Sky HD but have got round this by adjusting the delay on the dolby settings on the Sky box via optical to my Pioneer VSX-1017AV, so not a big deal and I have not experienced any in the last 2 days.
    However, one other member has had audio sync on all his input sources and Freeview which he has fixed via a firmware update from Sharp UK - this update is not yet available for download and was sent to the user to beta test and advise Sharp if it worked, which it does so it is now a case of waiting for them to provide the firmware download on their site.

    This tv is not for the faint-hearted, you need to put some time into this to get the settings correct, if you do then you will love it, if you dont then you will no doubt be dissapointed.
    Dynamic mode on this tv is bright and colourful and not something I would use a great deal of time but I watched 'Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon' on Sky HD moves in Dynamic mode and was blown away with the image, seems to have more depth to the image. I can also recommend watching 'Alice in Wonderland' on this setting.

    Sorry I have gone a bit off topic and rambled on a bit !

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