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Job Seekers Allowance Debate 2011-2012 GAZBEROTTEN

Discussion in 'Politics & Economy Forum' started by GAZBEROTTEN, Jan 12, 2012.

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Are the current Job Seekers Allowance Single Rates To High

  1. Yes To High

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  2. Yes but cut them down a tiny bit

    6.4%
  3. No they are a joke

    27.7%
  4. They are fine as they are

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  1. GAZBEROTTEN

    GAZBEROTTEN Member

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    So do you think the Basic State Rate for Single persons Job Seekers Allowance which is what those claim who are unemployed is to high.

    I myself think its to low and to be honest it should be raised a bit more since the price of things has sky rocketed to the point where it will soon be unsustainable to survive in the future on JSA.

    The current rates can be found directly of the Direct Gov Website

    Benefit Rates for 2011-2012 in the UK from the DWP - Page 2

    Vote away and lets see what people think about the current rates if they find them acceptable or not:smashin:

    The poll has no time limit for fairness to allow people who see this thread in the future of search engines to also vote.
  2. Rasczak

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    For people who have been out of work for 1 year I think the rates of JSA are about right. For people who have been out of work for longer the rate is far, far too high.
  3. la gran siete

    la gran siete Active Member

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    defo a joke .How someone is supposed to survive on 67.50 pw is beyond me, unless they dont use water electricity or gas of course ,ie live like filthy mole and die of hypothermia.That amount needs to be increased to £100
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    How are you going to pay for this?
    :confused:
    Sidicks
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    la gran siete Active Member

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    how is anyone supposed to live on £67.50 pw?

    one way round it would be to set up charities specifically for donating food .We already have one here where i live but it only collects once a month , which isnt enough IMO.If sufficient food can be donated then recipients only need worry about paying their energy water bills and at least live some kind of life
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    Aren't benefits going up by 5.6% this year in line with inflation?

    Individually not much I know but it all adds up
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    Difficult but it's better than nothing
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    Do people have JSA without any other form of benefit ?
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    well obviously they get housing benefit dont they. Thats not the issue,Its whether one has to make choices between eating and freezing to death or being warm and clean and starving instead.£67.50 does not cover both things ,hence the need for food donations
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    Single unemployed people asked Dazza
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    I'd be happy to seem them raised IF the money could only be spent on certain items like food, electricity, gas, etc. rather than TV, Sky, Cigarettes, Alcohol, etc. If people really need an increase just to live then I don't have a problem but if it's just so they can enjoy themselves some more then tough. On the flip side, how is this going to be paid for?

    Obviously this then opens up a whole other can of worms with it's own thread.
  12. la gran siete

    la gran siete Active Member

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    i really dont have any problem with them enjoying a few little luxuries like freeview.Maybe not Sky but they have to do something with all that freetime on their hands and Tv offers an escape from terminable boredom.i have given some of my old av gear to charities specifically set up to help those out of work:thumbsup:
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    I have a simple solution to the boredom, it's known as "a job".

    Anyone who has been out of work for over a year either isn't really trying or needs to take stock of their skill set and adjust accordingly.

    Perhaps if someone can live on JSA for a year it's not low enough.
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    Not your fault if you can't find a job or there aren't enough jobs

    Look at youth unemployment at an all time high
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    If I had no job I think I'd have to volunteer somewhere as I'd go insane sitting at home doing nothing.

    I appreciate that in this day and age, everybody is entitled to some kind of entertainment whether that be a radio, TV or whatever. But if people can afford consoles, TV's, Sky, mobile phones, etc. then they obviously have more than enough money. I know that's not what everybody has or manages with but enough seem to.
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    You can buy a lot of this stuff second hand cheap on places like ebay
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    A few posts ago you were arguing that a person on JSA would have to choose between eating and heating...

    As well as looking for jobs, free time could be spent at the local library improving education etc!

    Sidicks
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    Who's is it then?

    Perhaps a bit of personal responsibility wouldn't go amiss? Perhaps if we weren't so eager to molly coddle the "youth" and others with such an entitlement culture they'd be more inclined to get a job.

    As for no jobs, a cursory search on the job centre website shows 250 jobs within a 5 mile radius of my house.

    As I said, personal responsibility is lacking in much of this discussion.
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    Perhaps rather than employers looking for experience they should look at potential

    You often hear young people complain that employers want experience, but how can you get experience without getting a job

    There should be a lot more apprentice schemes but there aren't
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    yup no probs with that.:thumbsup:maybe a kindle might help as well and a pc
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    Is that what JSA is for then, buying second hand consoles on ebay?

    Personal responsibility doesn't seem to exist any more - everyone seems to look to the government of the day to "fix" everything...

    Seriously? What's wrong with actual books, instead of spending £100 on a device to store books on? £20 will buy a bookshelf from Argos!
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    I assume you're paying for these too??
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    450k jobs nationwide into 2.5 million unemployed dont quite go if my maths are right
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    If i had one going free i would donate it
    apart from that quite happy of some of my taxes go to paying fior them
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    God knows all I am pointing out mass produced stuff like this is cheap on the secondhand market
  26. la gran siete

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    nothing but kindles are a good alternative option .Lots of free books on there
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    Well by maths if you were correct that figure should only read 2.05million unemployed.

    There are clearly a lot of people who have no wish to be employed, trust me I meet a lot of them on a daily basis.
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    You know where there are lots of free books? The library!

    Your "alternative" is the option to "waste loads of money" as opposed to "not waste loads of money"... Typical...
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    Job Seekers Allowance should be around the level where you can comfortably survive, without any luxuries. Otherwise there is no motivation to improve your standard of living and therefore no motivation to get a job/improve your education in order to get a job.
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    :rotfl:

    Perhaps if it's so boring to be unemployed a day spent perusing the local library would be of great benefit.

    Some of the arguments here really are absolutely absurd, freeview to stop boredom.:eek:
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