Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players' started by IanW, Feb 26, 2011.
A stock line ?
sorry mate, dont understand what you mean?
That is the shop's standard "patter" to customers, a poor excuse if ever I heard one...
I have just spent an informative 30 minutes or so digesting this whole thread. I currently have (and enjoy using) a Sony BDP-S350 and wondered if the Denon 2012 would be a good buy and subsequent a better upgrade especially as it can be found for less than £500.00. The What HiFi review in April's issue I can take or leave. It's the operational woes plaguing a £500.00 machine that has me aghast especially as Blu-ray can no longer be classed as new technology (in my view). My 350 has been a superb buy from Richer Sounds in Milton Keynes, playing EVERY disc thrown at it with aplomb - I paid around £185.00 for it. My number one priority is picture quality; I am not that interested in superb audio as I am happy with a simple SoundBar. What do you guys think?
What's your criteria for defining picture quality and what aspect of your current players performance doesn't meet this criteria ?
Smooth motion, extra detail, clear sharp pictures and good DVD upscaling... I am not expecting a night and day experience, moreover better smoother operational characteristics.
Do you mean the illusion of "extra detail" and "sharp pictures" as provided by image manipulation ?
If so the ABT solution used in the Denon may meet your criteria. Its scaling routine has a tendency to create of exaggerate halo artefacts that can create the illusion of detail/sharpness. Denon didn't implement the appropriate ABT cadence modes for optimum PAL film deinterlacing and the auto mode isn't a good as some.
I have bought many Denon items over the years from the same company and this is the only item I have ever had that was faulty. I dont believe they were spinning me a yarn or trying to make some excuse as the machine defo was faulty as I tried it in my own home and it would not output an image or sound.
Gotcha - just explaining what a "stock line" meant...
I upgraded from a £100 pana 110 blu ray to a £750 2012 (bought when they were still new). Definitely not worth 7.5 times the pana to me.
I admit my opinion of this player has been tainted by it breaking when almost new. And subsequently not playing some discs like a new DVD of Rio.
But IMO the problems go deeper than that. The GUI is woeful. Both my 100 quid Pana and Sony bd players knock it into touch for user interface. Also factor in how long it takes to respond. Not just loading discs but responding to remote commands like play or pause. Mine is also blinded by the 3d ir signal from my 3d projector so I have to stand in front of it to get it to respond.
The picture. To be honest I have not been impressed. I did a back to back test with the same disc (for some reason I have two copies of I am Legend) started at the same scene (vertical pan of manhattan) into my VT55. The only difference was the hdmi. Both good cables but one Wireworld and one Chord. The result ? Vertical motion was better handled (smoother) with the Pana. I was gutted.
Then went to play ripped cd's from my NAS. Not a prime function but had assumed I would use the Denon to avoid buying a dedicated streamer. Won't play FLACs yet Denons AVRs do ? Go figure.
On the plus side colours are excellent and sound is great.
Many people are happy with theirs but if I were you I would demo a few others. My search will continue.
Hey Hepps great comments and in line with my way of thinking - I'll save my money (for the time being, you know what I mean when you fancy a spend! )
Anyone have any idea when Denon will be shipping silver units to the UK? Bought one at Peter Tyson almost two months ago now, promised denon were delivering to europe for mid=Feb......still no sign of it.....problem is, its on a payment plan so I dont want to cancel, but I also kinda of want the player for my two weeks annual leave in early April....been setting up the whole year for this....two box sets and a half dozen reference films waiting to go.....
Why would Denon limit LPCM at 48kHz? The player has all the technology to make that even more trouble than to just "play it thru"... Is this info even accurate??
As for DSD to LPCM: In it's manual it's printed that "If the connected HDMI device does not support DSD, the signal is output as Linear PCM", which is desirable.
Please, is it really necessary to always select type of source you are intend to listen prior to, let's say - listen to a CD?
I don't know why. Maybe related to how Denon interpret SACD copy protection requirements and I don't know if it varies by model or has been changed on more recent models. With regard to SACD it can't "play it thru" with LPCM because the source is native DSD not LPCM.
Just ask the owners of Denon's flagship A1UD player what LPCM word length/sample rate is output via HDMI when using SACD.
If the sink doesn't support DSD and you wish to use a digital interface then LCPM will be a necessity. The question is really what is the resulting LPCM sample rate/word length output following DSD decimation.
Never thought of it... thanks.
I will look for further info, as I am seriously interested in 2012UD.
Actualy, what is the LPCM sample rate/word on 2012 with SACDs? Anyone?
I guess that receiver would display info? But, I guess, for the right answer we need someone with reveiver that does not support DSD over HDMI... My Yamaha displays that for DD and DTS whatever the case.
One more, what's it's DSD sample rate/word?
I've been trying to find a DVD region hack for the DBP-2012. Does anyone know of one?
This player can now be had for £470 or lower.
I wonder if a replacement is coming soon. Any info anyone ?
It had a horrible user interface but the HD audio was very good. I wasn't nuts about the video, looked too cleaned up to me.
Any idea whats going on with my new replacement machine, this is what happened last night
Sat down to watch War of the Worlds, got to 45 min and 15 sec through film and it locked up
Disc ejected and tried to re load, came up unknown disc, did this again and same happened
Turned unit off from front of machine and tried again, same thing happened
Disconnected power from rear of machine, left for minute and tried again
Disc in, machine spins for approx 3 to 5 secs then stops, does this about 5 times then comes up with disc unknown
Tried again with 3 different discs, all exactly the same, comes up disc unknown
Switched off overnight, turned back on today and with different disc did exactly the same thing
Still doesnt work
I have been searching for the same hack for a while (months) with no success.
I have seen that some were sold as multi region for DVD a while back, so maybe there is a hack out there somewhere that will turn up.
Sounds similar to my problem. See my earlier posts.
I called my dealer, they told me how to do a full factory reset. Which did not work and 2012 ended up going back to Denon to be fixed. Took about a month.
The only other thing you could try before you box it up and send it back is to upgrade the firmware even if you have the latest version.
How old is your player ? If less that a month suggest you reject it.
One query - did you leave it on pause at all before it went wrong ?
Cheers for the response, machine is about a month old and is my second one as the first had no HDMI output at all! It was not on pause as we were sitting enjoying the film. To be honest Im getting pretty fed up with it now, could have gone and bought some cheap player that would probably have been fine
Update following my phone callto the dealer this morning, I am getting another new machine, this will be my third !!!, and last as if this one fails I will be asking for a refund and finding something else
At least your dealer has not quibbled and you are getting a(nother !) new machine. I was gutted to get mine back "repaired" (even though only about a month old) with a box/packaging that had been very knocked about. And hope you did not pay £750 as I did when first released
Mine has behaved generally ok since repair except a few glitches like it wont play a brand new DVD of Rio that plays fine on a cheap portable DVD player and fine on a £100 sony blu ray.
I have lost faith in the DBP-2012 and I keep a £100 Pana 110 handy (which this replaced) as I just dont trust the DBP-2012 not to play up/freeze again...
If you do give up and move to a new player send me a PM to say which one
I found the display of media files on my USB Hard drive connected to 2012 are in random order.
Is there a setting to make them display alphabetically?
I would go straight to Denon with your experiences and demand redress from them - if their customer service is sound you will soon find out.
Just stumbled over a problem with my Denon 2012UD.
I have been playing Blu-ray discs successfully since purchasing the machine in early March. (Early problems of discs hanging have thankfully never re-occurred). However, I have no tried popping in some regular DVD discs and I am getting video but no audio. I've scanned through this thread quickly and couldn't see any similar reports. But could this be something in the settings that I haven't got right, or something requiring a firmware update, or might this be a fault?
Any ideas would be warmly welcomed.
i am having problems playing 3d discs and blurays in master audio always comes up pcm on pioneer amp switched hdmi to bitstream on player menu any ideas anyone?????
Assuming you haven't changed any particular settings try a firmware update. Or try a "reinitialise" - with no disc in and it saying no disc on the display push and hold down both the "disc layer" button on the left and the "stop" button on the right. Hold them down until it says "reinitilizing" and let go. Then it should say "reinitialized".
Pop a disc in and try again.
Can anyone offer any insight into this thread?
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