Discussion in 'Sport' started by Venu44, May 3, 2011.
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Please name one British boxer that has come close, to fighting at the level that Froch has, in your life time?
Sad news about Paul Williams.
In my lifetime or EVER?
In my lifetime: Joe Calzaghe.
Very sad - used to like watching him fight - how he used to make welterweight is beyond me, bit sad when Martinez ironed him out too.
I'm sure we've been over this before
We have, but Froch... really?
All about opinions mate
Everyone will have their favorites, people like Froch because it would appear that he likes to take on the elite of his division.
SMW is always a particular favorite of UK fans, due to (in particular) the Eubank/Benn era.
JC was quality, that is without question - it's down to the individual fan to decide if he was top of their tree
just take a look at Frochs last 8 opponents and lets not forget brian magee ,and tell me which british boxer has fought the same level of opponent consecutively,yes theres 2 losses in there ,but its the sign of a champion to come back from defeat
But pound for pound... the quality of the fights he has had don't make a pound for pound fighter. We've had British boxers take on some great fighters - some of the best around in their division. I agree Froch is a great fighter but I just don't thin he can be touted as the best pound for pound British boxer ever.
who in your opinion is the best then
Pound for pound?
Personally I think Calzaghe, given his unbeaten record and his KO %
I would have to say Calzaghe too if I'm honest.
i have to disagree ,purely because of the quality of his opponents
Sod the quality of opponents. He can only beat what was in front of him. Froch wouldn't have got near Calzaghe. Joe was way too classy and had a cast iron jaw. He went down once or twice but was never hurt and basically caught with sucker punches. He beat a better Kessler than what Froch lost to aswell.
You have to remember there were a lot of good middleweights who never stepped up the weight to fight or call Joe out...
this isn't about Froch fighting Calzaghe,it IS about who these guys fought
I realise that but Joe would still have whooped him and also would have beaten Bute and the others Froch has fought. Froch isn't in Joe's league.
It's all if's and all that and we will never actually know but it's just my opinion. Froch is full of himself and ATM its not justified as he hasn't beaten many great fighters anyway.
Quality of opponents doesn't matter??? - that's a new one on me
That works both ways too - a fighter will always say that someone is ducking them. You could say JC could've upped a weight to light heavy
Cleverly is treading down the Frank Warren tried & tested routine of reasonably boring WBO title defences - sound familiar?
Would've been interesting to see some of the much fabled US fighters fight abroad a bit more (but, being boxing, it always comes down to the $)
Lennox Lewis is right up there for me - despite his Canadian connection
Of course the quality matters but you know what I'm getting at. JC beat everyone put in front of him and there was some tough buggers. JC was quality. I'm amazed Froch is being talked about in the same breath as him and all the others ATM. That might change in years to come and I wish Froch the best.
The reason why Froch is respected, is the fact that he has taken on the elite of his division & also boxed a large percentage of them on their own turf - something that is quite rare nowadays in boxing.
His first fight after the Super 6 was against the other SMW champion - to be fair to him, that is to be commended. I actually thought Bute would outbox him!
We're so used to seeing a title fight, followed by 2-3 meaningless defences/fights, so you have to give the fella credit for that.
If it is Kessler next, then that's another thing to congratulate him on
Froch isn't my choice for greatest british fighter, but i really respect the way he has gone about his business, if other fighters followed his lead, we'd have better fights
I agree with that fella. The Super 6 was a good idea and these boxers should be forced to fight the best ranked fighters or get stripped of their titles. It's a farce really. I respect anybody who gets in the ring though. Froch is a tough SOB in all fairness and has do e brilliantly to come back after his losses. Still not in others league yet though but hats off to him.
Isn't that what pound for pound rankings are about?
To fight who? RJJ wouldn't have taken a fight with him early on.
A lot of people on boxing forums claim he avoided Tarver, but he didn't. Tarver missed his chance as he lost to B-Hop and Joe said he would fight the winner of the two (and earlier on he was 2 divisions apart). You have to remember Joe was an unknown entity in the states to most, he was not a money fight and he was a great boxer - why would anyone want to fight such a risk when they're not going to get a big payday. He tried to get B-Hop early on, he tried to get Meyer and Ottke... but everyone refused or wanted to much money.
I understand it works both ways and that's why I said there were management issues that could have been sorted. But I still think he took on the best he could.
Agree, there are a number of names that can be thrown in for contention for it for different reasons.
I still think Amir Khan could one day be up there if he sorts his head out.
I always liked Froch but it was only really when the threw himself in to the S6 that my respect for him really increased. Absolutely agree more of our fighters need to take him as an example and follow suit.
He may have tried to get certain fights, but the fact is, it didn't come off & you'd be a bit naive to think it was always the opponent who was at fault.
Home advantage/money plays a big factor & like i said, his old promoter seems to favor those nice little WBO home title defences (it's not new, the US fighters love a bit of home advantage!!)
I agree JC was a class boxer, you can't deny it.
Carl deserves his place among the upper tier of the SMW fighters.
I hope he fights Kessler next, that'll be another good scrap
He's given us some good moments over the last couple of years
The Pascal scap was great & his last round knockout of Jermain Taylor was memorable. His totally dominant performance against Abraham & his old style beating of Bute were all cool
When it comes to Don King, I have no doubts that it was King/Bhop that were the problem
I'd love a Froch rematch with Kessler, I think Froch could take him if he plays it right, but it's not going to be easy.
Its great to see people talking about boxing again, I think we have Carl Froch to thank for that.
Regardless of who you think is the better fight JC vs CF. Carl Froch is a breath of fresh air in boxing, if only their was more like him?
Mma has become popular because the best fight the best. I know this has a lot to do with the fact that they are one organization. I for one just cant get in to Mma (Its just not boxing)
I would be nice if we could list our top 5 British boxers.(Recent boxers)
Depends what you mean by top 5?
Talent? Entertainment? Personal preference?
For me they do vary. I was never much a fan of Hatton but he'd be in the top 5 for talent in recent boxers.
Either way, my top 5 based on a mix of the above:
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Lloyd Honeyghan
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Nigel Benn
5. Naseem Hamed
I'd Swap Nas out for Froch if we're not talking about enjoyment as a factor.
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Nigel Benn
3. Chris Eubank
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Carl Froch
A mention for big Frank who's victory over Oliver McCall @ Wembley was memorable
Hamed was a great entertainer - he just ran into the juggernaut that was Barrera, which seemed to derail his express B-I-G time
Collins was a tough fella
I can only go on the fighters i regularly watched - wasn't really that into it when people like McGuigan was around etc
I often wonder how good Michael Watson could have been (what a remarkable chap he is!!!!)
I remember the Honeyghan victory over Don Curry & everyone was going mental about it.
On a general note, i was always a fan of the big punchers - people like Julian Jackson & Terry Norris - murderous power, with the susceptibility they could get KO'd themselves
Gerald McClellan absolutely mullered Julian Jackson (twice i think)
Jackson absolutely mullered Terry Norris
Terry Norris absolutely mullered John Mugabi
And Julian Jackson put our own Herol Graham to sleep with a real one punch KO after boxing really nicely!
Good to see Eubank get a mention.
Not saying he was the best but I loved the guy as a teenager when everyone else i knew hated him and was in the benn camp.
If only he more of an engine!
Eubank was tough as nails & beat Michael Watson twice (no mean feat)
He did fight a few low quality opponents - but his 1st fight with Benn was a classic & he had a pretty great chin (as does Froch)
He was also very complimentary about Calzaghe after he lost to him.
He was a bit of a character too
Benn, Eubank & Collins were tough as they come
one boxer paralysed in paul williams
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