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Bose Wave vs Bose Wave II?? Differences?

Discussion in 'Hi Fi Systems & Separates' started by penguinpaul, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. penguinpaul

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    Hey,
    Has anyone owned or heard both the older Wave radio (the top loading CD model) and the Wave II (the slot loading model) - how do they compare?
    Is there a big sound difference between the two, or is it mainly looks and features?
    Am I right in thinking that the older one has a small sub in one side thus making it mono, and the wave II is stereo, or is this just internet nonsense?

    Any info on these would be appreciated - I am fed up trying to find a nice looking (that bose sorta design) from brands such as Ixos etc, and was looking and can see that a Bose wave CD (top loading) goes on the bay for £270 ish on a buy it now, and less on auctions, but if it's inferier to the Wave II I probs wont bother, and will keep on perservering with other brands...
    Had an Ixos Harmoni arrive today, sounds awful, I guess they should stick to making cables :rolleyes:
    It was only £25 on amazon haha, but I was hoping for something better. I was trying to find a <£50 ipod clock radio, but if I was gonna go for the Bose I would wait until payday and lash out on something which I could pay CDs on, and maybe has an aux in for ipod on rare occasions.

    So yeh, any info on the comparison of top loading Bose and the slot loading Bose would be great!

    Thanks,
    Paul :D
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  3. penguinpaul

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    Hey, I know they have a generally bad reputation, but I really do want something of a similar style, and everything I've tried so far doesn't seem to be right. I've had an Ixos Harmony, and while it was cheap, and functioned brilliantly, the sound just wasn't what I was hoping for from a company who makes very decent cables.
    I've looked at the Logic3 I-Station clock/radio which is meant to sound great, but if you unplug it, you have to leave it off for 24 hours because of something to do with the screen :)confused:) and it has no back-up battery etc...

    I was hoping that someone could tell me what the older Bose units were like, as they go for reasonable money on ebay (£190 for radio, £270ish for CD version) but at least it would be something I could just buy and be done with.
    Had a listen to a Roberts one today in Currys (puke ;)) and it sounded not great... massive separation between the bass and everything else... I really am not greatly fussed about amazing sound, but I do want something that is listenable to...

    I might end up with the Roberts, but it is sorta 2nd hand Bose money...

    Any thoughts on alternatives?? :lease:

    -Paul
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    As much as I really want to like the Roberts ones, I listened to the 43 in Currys and the bass is really separated from the rest of the sound.
    What I'll probably do is go to ETS in the next few days and listen to the slot loaders from Roberts, Teac and Yamaha, and see if I can find anything...
    I'll probs go to the other ETS at some point (a bose specialist store) and listen to the wave radio.
    I just wanted to know if anyone had previously owned the older Wave radio, as its substantially cheaper than the new one.

    I'm also looking at a Sony ICF-C1IPMK2 Dream Machine which I heard in Currys and it's sounds nice, and is extremely cheap at £39.99 on amazon! (£70 in currys)

    -Paul


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    Hi Paul, I have both Wave Radios at home. The series II is in the kitchen and the series I is next to the bed.

    One thing to note is that both of them do not keep time very well. So you will need to adjust the clock from time to time (excuse the pun). The other thing to note is that the Series II has no buttons. You can only control it with a remote or purchase the extra "button pack". That's why I put the series I next to the bed - because you can more easily roll over and hit the big "snooze" button on top.

    From a sound performance point of view - the Series II has more bass. It is not stereo vs. mono - but just a bit stronger. The bass comes from a port only, so it is a bit "woofy" and sounds a bit delayed. This is typical of most bose systems. But this is of course only my opinon - you should certainly go and check it out for yourself. Take your own CD that you know well.

    I am happy with my units as they sound just OK - and certainly you are right about the style and form.

    Good luck with your decision.
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    Hey,
    Firstly, thanks matchewee - that was exactly the comparison I was after :D:smashin:

    I've heard about the Creative 740 but they don't seem to be at all common in the UK :confused::confused:

    Anyway, after a nice amount of time in ETS today, I've decided to go for the Teac SR3 / SR3DAB, as it has CD, iPod, DAB and lots of other things such as USB and SD slot.
    It has a quite warm sound, although not as much detail as the Yamaha model I also heard.
    However, they do the Teac for £179.99 so I'm probably going to buy it from them within the next week or so.

    Thanks for all of the replies everyone!

    - Paul :)
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    Just a follow up:

    Bought the Teac a week ago... it's been great apart from the touch buttons on the top (play, stop, back, forward) were totally dead :(
    Sound quality was pretty good, and in terms of features its a nice unit. There was a little bit of port noise, and the sound is a bit better with socks in the ports :D but it was overall a good unit.
    However, the dimmer won't dim the backlight far enough in standby, and will actually dim further when its on than when it's off :/

    Anyway, got a replacement today... Different touch buttons are dead :/
    So a big worry about reliability and quality control :confused:

    Anyway, I'm gonna take it back tomorrow and get a refund, and buy the Roberts MP43 from Amazon at £176.99 :D
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    Went through a very similar process as you penguinpaul, and couldn't go ahead with the Bose after all I'd found on the net about them - strong evidence of style over design, it seemed to me. In the end I went with a Yamaha MCR140. This is a similar size and to my eye looks really neat. The speakers are in fact separate but are exactly the same height as the main box so when next to it it looks like a single unit (but with the option of moving the speakers for wider stereo separation). It has (single) CD, DAB (excellent sound), FM (needs a strong signal to be effective), iPod dock, and "floating" iPod port (wireless dock for transmitting from iPod without direct connection), USB and aux in. I think the sound quality is very good for the size. It also has treble and bass adjustment; during my research I was stunned to discover that the Bose models - even at their inflated price - have no tone controls. :eek:
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    Hey, Just a follow up, I never did get the Roberts... I just left it.
    However, about a month or so ago a cheap Series 1 Bose popped up (the top loading one) and I have to say, I have been delighted with it.
    When I first got it, it sounded very average, but then I repositioned it, and after a few days of use (it hadn't been used much and not for a while) it really started to shine. I have always been a bit doubtful about Bose, but the price this came up at (£90) I couldn't say no.
    I am chuffed to bits with it, and it does sound better than the Teac. With the Teac, it always sounded like it was forcing the little speakers to pump out bass using EQ, but the Bose puts out bass very naturally... it sounds effortless... I guess due to the waveguide. It has a very detailed sound and acoustic guitar sounds amazing... Again, positioning can really vary the sound.
    Functions wise, no problems at all.
    Only thing is that you only get the amazing sound when you are centre on at it, or to the right of it. If you wonder to the left of it, it goes all lifeless and loses the bass. This must be because it is single ported, and the port is beside the right speaker. I guess the waveguide technology is a little directional.
    While the series 2 has twin waveguides, I have never heard it, so cannot say whether it sounds as beautiful and detailed as the series 1.

    Overall, I'm mighty happy with it, and see no reason to upgrade to the series 2
    :)
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    This has been a really helpful thread for me - looking for a decent sounding desktop DAB radio/CD with Sleep function and minimal brightness from the display.

    Bose Wave has mixed reviews and expensive
    Vita R4 beautiful but awkward remote and bright display
    Boston Trio good sound but awkward sleep/alarm controls
    Roberts no control over display brightness
    Yamaha MCR-140 seems to be the answer only for the fact that none of the manuals available via the uk yamaha site mention DAB - no DAB symbol on any pictures of the product - no references to DAB tuning in the manual. Can you confirm that this product is a DAB radio? too much conflicting information! Stigga:lease:



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    Hi Stigga

    I did actually mention DAB in the very post of mine that you quote. :)

    Not sure what manual you're looking at but pages 10 and 11 of mine are entirely about DAB settings. The 140 also has sleep function and dimmable display. The sleep button on the remote switches between 30, 60, 90, 120 mins, and off.
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    Just had a look at the Yamaha site and as you say the manuals available there do not mention DAB. This may be because Yamaha doubtless sells the 140 throughout the world and in most sizeable places (including the USA) there is no DAB radio, and the models there are presumably shipped without the DAB function. In fact as far as I can tell the only places that have committed to DAB are the UK, Australia, Spain, China, Norway, and a few others.
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    I recall seeing the cutaway view of Bose's waveguide 'technology' in the adverts for (I assume) the series 1. What struck me was;

    The waveguide appeared to be merely an implementation of either horn loading or transmission line technology (or a mix of the two), so nothing new there.

    The horn or waveguide was merely a plastic moulding, an extension of the plastic case.

    Although the speakers were intended to be a stereo pair, the waveguides weren't symmetrical ..... can you imagine the ridicule that any speaker manufacturer would face if they produced a stereo pair that weren't the same size as each other?
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    Well I don't think I'd be very impressed if I bought L & R speakers and found they weren't a matching pair! I suppose it's possible that they've experimented and found that despite the odd appearance, it works. There's no money in making two different designs if you can get away with using the same one twice.
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    Well on the top-loading model which I have, the speakers aren't even the same!
    The left speaker has a much thicker surround and a paper dust cover, and the material looks thicker, whereas the right speaker has a plastic dust cover, a much smaller surround and they look slightly different sizes. The left one visible moves a lot more, and I think on this model of wave, the waveguide works on this speaker and ports out beside the right speaker.

    I do believe however that the newer slot loader model has a waveguide on both

    :)
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    The Bose has an ambient light detector and will adjust the brightness accordingly. In darkness it's very very dim. However, you can turn the display off completely if you wish which is what I do. :)

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