[mattclarkie]

As good ol' Yahtzee would say, shades or poo brown, mud brown and more brown.

[markgodley]

how about 3D Technology?
IGN: Microsoft to Use 3D Tech in Next Xbox?

[mattclarkie]

This 3D stuff is getting out of control.


3D TVs cost a fortune, the only way to get it to properly work is with polarised lenses, and they do still give people headaches.

Yes there is glasses free 3D, but it doesn't really work as you have about a 1ft square tolerence.

Yes it no longer gives headaches the way it used to, but after a 3hour gaming session chances are you would feel ropey.

[Sniper Ash6]

it just wouldnt catch on or work, its something id expect from sony

[Joystik]

Originally Posted by kavanf1

I second this. I want my main games console for killing stuff, not for social gaming. If they can retain the killing element without sacrificing my favoured game types for Wii-type remakes, then fair enough. But if they start making FPS's where you have no option but to leap around your living room to play them, I will be most displeased...

And I'm not bashing the Wii, just in case anyone thinks this is the case. I just don't want the more "hardcore" gametypes getting softened up in some sort of half-arsed appeal to the casual gamer, and alienating me and others in the process.

Sorry I'm a bit late catching up with this...

To me it seems blatantly obvious that motion sensor technology will be included in the next-next gen consoles. After all it is a business and the impact of motion sensor technology in a game and/or games console has lead to good business, well for Nintendo anyway (sorry Sony ). That doesn't necessarily mean I like it or support it though. One thing to take into consideration is that the Wii's core is built around this technology, so every game is likely to be OTT with this. If they didn't it would be considered a waste of the machines resources by the industry no doubt. With the Wii it just seems as though they go on a mission to find a way to replace every ordinary action with a motion movement or a way of at least merging the two.

If it were too be introduced subtly as a nice touch or for added affect in games for ps3/4 xbx 360/720 or otherwise I don't think it'll be that bad. As long as it's not OVERdone. Situations in games where your forced to shake someone off you or similar would be good coupled with force feedback, like the scenarios in Resi Evil 5. Once again though as long as it's subtle, I can imagine if you had to do it every two mins we'd all get pretty p'd off as gamers.

[mattclarkie]

I remember playing Heavenly Sword on the PS3, you could at points direct a cannon ball or arrow to the enemie, by default it used the sixaxis, and it sucked, you couldn't do it, waving your arms around and not moving an inch.

Go to the menu, turn off motion controls, use the sticks and it become really fine arrowing a dude in the eye or neck.

[Joystik]

Originally Posted by Hillskill

BUT.........If Nintendo were to bring out a Wii (lets call it the Wii Wii......

Lol, top stuff the Wii Wii..

Originally Posted by BenchyUK

If Microsoft or SONY want me to buy their games via download then they would have to half the price of current game prices. No way would i pay £40 for a download of Killzone 3 or Gears of War 3. £20 max because i am not able to trade/ sell on afterwards.

Plus people buy loads of games for birthdays/ christmas so i think the need for games on a disc will always be around.

Knowing that you can sell your game on after completion is definitely something I imagine all gamers appreciate new, veterans, casual and so on. At times after picking up the odd bargain on eBay it's nice to know I can rid of it afterwards for the same or equal price. I admit I am a game horder and I'm still sitting here with the previous two PES games and about 30 xbox games (even after selling 54 of them ). Admittedly this is probably due to the fact that some games such as PES rarely hold their value and the Xbox has left out some of my fav games of the BC list such as SVC Chaos and Kung Fu Chaos.

Also if games really did ever go digital only, it would simply be a case of buying vouhers or prepaid points from stores in the instance where family/friends want to buy a gift.

[shagaboopon]

Originally Posted by mattclarkie

I remember playing Heavenly Sword on the PS3, you could at points direct a cannon ball or arrow to the enemie, by default it used the sixaxis, and it sucked, you couldn't do it, waving your arms around and not moving an inch.

Go to the menu, turn off motion controls, use the sticks and it become really fine arrowing a dude in the eye or neck.

It actually worked quite well did the sixaxis controls in those sections if you got used to them. I completed the game with sixaxis controls enabled and didn't struggle too hard on the shooting sections.

It would be a shame if Microsoft collapse into the copying Nintendo route for the next generation.

[mattclarkie]

Originally Posted by shagaboopon

It actually worked quite well did the sixaxis controls in those sections if you got used to them. I completed the game with sixaxis controls enabled and didn't struggle too hard on the shooting sections.

It would be a shame if Microsoft collapse into the copying Nintendo route for the next generation.

Well;
Either my six-axis is broken;
You are amazing at motion-sensitivity;
Your idea of 'worked well' differs from mine;
Or you missed out on the fun using the sticks.

Because for me it was 100% useless, unresponsive and tedious.

[Dinky Dragon]

haha owned.

2018, Im 19!

NINETEEN!

One 1 Nine 9

Ill be dead by the time that date arrives!

I want it 2011, we all know the world is ending in 2012...

Plus theyd have had 2 years to fiddle around with silicon chips for use in the next Sexbox.

Ya know a small team went to the drawing board with the next Sexbox the day the 360 was done with?

[Codehead]

This 2012 stuff is getting crazy. If we're all gonna die, would you be happy to hand over all your worldly possessions to charity on Dec 20th 2012? You won't need them any more.

[cunnas]

have read through a few people's posts on here and agree with what people are saying. I've had the 360 since launch, although upgraded to an Elite a year or so ago.

I am not a heavy games user by any means. I get to play about an hour a night but on average just 3 hours per week.

I would like to see another media centre approach from Microsoft as that seems to be the way things are going in the home.

As much as I use my 360 for gaming, I also use it a hell of a lot for streaming movies, photos and music to my TV/stereo system. For that reason alone I love it, the games are a bonus.

I'm not sure how this can be improved as it works flawlessly for me.

I have no doubt they could stick more memory in, a better GFX processor and a faster CPU but will there be *much* difference as we are in HD land anyway? I don't know - that kind of techie stuff goes above me.

I would be all for a silent console and the introduction of Blu Ray would be ideal.

[mattclarkie]

Originally Posted by cunnas

have read through a few people's posts on here and agree with what people are saying. I've had the 360 since launch, although upgraded to an Elite a year or so ago.

I am not a heavy games user by any means. I get to play about an hour a night but on average just 3 hours per week.

I would like to see another media centre approach from Microsoft as that seems to be the way things are going in the home.

As much as I use my 360 for gaming, I also use it a hell of a lot for streaming movies, photos and music to my TV/stereo system. For that reason alone I love it, the games are a bonus.

I'm not sure how this can be improved as it works flawlessly for me.

I have no doubt they could stick more memory in, a better GFX processor and a faster CPU but will there be *much* difference as we are in HD land anyway? I don't know - that kind of techie stuff goes above me.

I would be all for a silent console and the introduction of Blu Ray would be ideal.

There is a difference between HD and graphics power. You can render a SNES game in HD if you want, it doesn't make the graphics any better does it.


Graphics are nowhere near perfect, HD is just a buzz word to mean our textures aren't blurry, just unrealistic, although on many games they are still bloody blurry.

[Phill1978]

Originally Posted by Kahled

-built in wi-fi

No. I would rather not pay for something I would never use and for gaming I would go hardwired any day rather than wireless.

hmm. 360 is 2.4ghz at 54mbs (reality is 22 each way with overheads your looking at about 19mbs per sec) which is mbs not megabytes so thats to the power of 8 hence 2.5-3megabytes a sec the average broadband speed, also 2.4 is noisy and 3 non overlapping channels.

N radio is dual radio with TCP / DFS as stock with 108 channels and potencial link layer throughput of 475 mbps i.e as fast as ethernet.....

but thats on 1 AP / Router so with 3 devices it divides by 3. most homes there will be 1 active streaming device with almost zero interference so bascially the next xbox (pending the router supporting mimo dual radio N spec) will be considerably faster than any current broadband speed with no drop outs.

... of course there will be added security and this can actually delay stuff by a small ammount hence lag maybe a % less on ethernet, chips evolve to cut this loss.


just for info

[dannius]

Oh that old chestnut about not wanting to pay for wifi if you won't use it. Come on, we all know that the 360 not having wifi built in was a mistake by MS, and that the wireless adaptor is a complete rip off.

Having wifi built in would cost pence more to MS and wouldn't put the price of the console up at all.

Think about it, Wii has got wifi, PS3 has got it, PSP has got it, iPhone has got it... I'd be surprised if my microwave hasn't got it to be honest!

The next Xbox WILL have wifi built in for definate.

[Codehead]

The 360 is the oldest console of this generation. WiFi wasn't that common when it was released, and was more expensive back then.
Also, an external WiFi adaptor means that you can upgrade the unit easily if better tech comes along.

However, I do agree that later models should have had it built-in, or at least bundle the adaptor in the retail box.

[chewyx]

Id like to see a nextbox that is completely BC. Having spent over £1k on guitars, drums, DLC etc for Rock band in order for me to purchase a new xbox, ALL of my DLC would have to carry over and my drums in particular would have to work otherwise i would not buy a new one.

It would be nice if all of the games i have accumulated would work too as would 1080p games as standard and the ability to instal whatever hard drive I want without having to pay MS £120 for a 120 gig hard drive when i can buy a 1.5 tb drive for the same money.

Id also like to see some way of playing the games direct from the hard drive where I dont have to change the disc. Surely that cant be that hard to implement.

[Dinky Dragon]

Originally Posted by chewyx

Id like to see a nextbox that is completely BC. Having spent over £1k on guitars, drums, DLC etc for Rock band in order for me to purchase a new xbox, ALL of my DLC would have to carry over and my drums in particular would have to work otherwise i would not buy a new one.

It would be nice if all of the games i have accumulated would work too as would 1080p games as standard and the ability to instal whatever hard drive I want without having to pay MS £120 for a 120 gig hard drive when i can buy a 1.5 tb drive for the same money.

Id also like to see some way of playing the games direct from the hard drive where I dont have to change the disc. Surely that cant be that hard to implement.

To spend that much ...

Get some better friends that chip in.

If you play it alone... Do this and send me ya stuff.





PS Dont do that last bit.

[Sniper Ash6]

Originally Posted by chewyx
Id like to see a nextbox that is completely BC. Having spent over £1k on guitars, drums, DLC etc for Rock band in order for me to purchase a new xbox, ALL of my DLC would have to carry over and my drums in particular would have to work otherwise i would not buy a new one.

It would be nice if all of the games i have accumulated would work too as would 1080p games as standard and the ability to instal whatever hard drive I want without having to pay MS £120 for a 120 gig hard drive when i can buy a 1.5 tb drive for the same money.

Id also like to see some way of playing the games direct from the hard drive where I dont have to change the disc. Surely that cant be that hard to implement.

i have to say i agree with that

though i do not have nor have i spent that much money on the Xb

[chewyx]

Originally Posted by Fei Long Dero

To spend that much ...

Get some better friends that chip in.

If you play it alone... Do this and send me ya stuff.





PS Dont do that last bit.

lol, I do play it alone during the week but with friends at weekends and ive probably saved at least half that figure in beer costs from not going to the pub.

back on topic. .mkv support would be nice too. save me having to re-encode half my files.

[theINSKIP]

When are the updates due this year ??

Im sure i read that there was going to be small updates throughout the year instead of 2 big ones.


....... and yeah mkv (with DTS) does need to be included !! !!

[Captain Speedy]

Originally Posted by theINSKIP

When are the updates due this year ??

Im sure i read that there was going to be small updates throughout the year instead of 2 big ones.

....... and yeah mkv (with DTS) does need to be included !! !!

You have answered your own question, with the NXE MS are meant to be able to add updates whenever they want without the need for any big changes so the 2 big updates in spring and autumn are effectively gone.

[theINSKIP]

Thought i was right, i was just after confirmation really.

Im going to miss those big lists of updates to trawl through.

[arthurdentpc]

Before getting carried with away with 1080p, downloads and Blu-Ray, etc, imo MS need to get reliability nailed. There are an awful lot of people who have been burned by the 360, maybe getting 3 or 4 or more replacements. I'm currently on my 4th 360 (got it last week), they've all lasted a year give or take.

Yes, MS are fixing RROD for free, but that's not the point. When I go into a store and buy a TV or laptop, I expect that TV or laptop to last me 5 years minimum. I don't want to have to wonder if it's going to break every time I switch it on, nor do I expect to have to parcel it up and wait a couple of weeks on a new delivery every year. Personally I'll be waiting at least a year after the "Xbox 720" is released, and if there's the faintest wiff of overheating or hardware issues, I'll be looking at the PS4.

As for the Wii, there's nothing wrong with motion sensors. It works well and has brought a whole new group of people into gaming. There's a place in this world for both, and if 1 single console can nail both hardcore gaming with traditional controllers AND family gaming with motion sensors, then I don't see the problem.

[curveball]

Originally Posted by arthurdentpc

Before getting carried with away with 1080p, downloads and Blu-Ray, etc, imo MS need to get reliability nailed. There are an awful lot of people who have been burned by the 360, maybe getting 3 or 4 or more replacements. I'm currently on my 4th 360 (got it last week), they've all lasted a year give or take.

Yes, MS are fixing RROD for free, but that's not the point. When I go into a store and buy a TV or laptop, I expect that TV or laptop to last me 5 years minimum. I don't want to have to wonder if it's going to break every time I switch it on, nor do I expect to have to parcel it up and wait a couple of weeks on a new delivery every year. Personally I'll be waiting at least a year after the "Xbox 720" is released, and if there's the faintest wiff of overheating or hardware issues, I'll be looking at the PS4.

As for the Wii, there's nothing wrong with motion sensors. It works well and has brought a whole new group of people into gaming. There's a place in this world for both, and if 1 single console can nail both hardcore gaming with traditional controllers AND family gaming with motion sensors, then I don't see the problem.

And whilst we are at it please can the next console be quiet? My Elite sounds like it is about to take off!

[Codehead]

I was having a thunk about this today. I think we might see more dedicated custom hardware in the NextBox™.

The PS3 is very versatile with it's seven cores, but another approach is to use dedicated custom hardware like a GPU (already widely used) and PhyX physics processing units (PPU). This enables a system to be very efficient at specific tasks (ie 3d gaming) without needing huge CPU grunt, therefore keeping the price down.

The old Amiga with a weedy 12Mhz CPU used to stomp all over 60Mhz PCs of the day because it had dedicated hardware for blitting, memory transfer, sound, etc. Of course, when the 3D revolution came, the Amiga's 2D hardware couldn't cope and the rest is history.

Maybe a NextBox™ with a dedicated PPU, ToE (Network processor) and other bits would be a possibility?

The only problem with this approach is if something new and huge in gaming comes along in the console's lifetime that it's not designed to handle, it is dead in the water.

I rambled a bit there, but you get the idea.

[mattclarkie]

GPUs are always more powerful than a general purpose CPU, so a good GPU is key.

I'm not sure a physics unit is really needed, but MS would need to invest as much as possible in a good GPU (that doesn't overheat).



Oh, and apparantly the PS3 doesn't have 7 cores (but it does).

[ricflairandy]

Originally Posted by Tokoloshe Man

and with the growing emergence of the PS3, ..

Was that a joke?

[Codehead]

Originally Posted by mattclarkie

GPUs are always more powerful than a general purpose CPU, so a good GPU is key.

I'm not sure a physics unit is really needed, but MS would need to invest as much as possible in a good GPU (that doesn't overheat).

Have you seen the Ageia demos? Bucket loads of physics goodness and all handled off the CPU.

YouTube - PhysX Soft bodies

YouTube - New havok physics with nvidia.

[mattclarkie]

Of course a physics processor is good to have, but I would sooner not have one and have a better GPU and build quality than MS try to save money and cram more into the box.


After the 360 I think MS will want to save money but not by cutting corners.


If you have a good CPU, GPU and PPU then MS would cut corners on something unless they were willing to take an even bigger hit on hardware costs. I think Sony have shown MS that you need to really, really, subsidise hardware costs, and Sony were selling at a 50% loss or greater, I'm not sure MS are willing to make a 50% or greater loss on every console for atleast 18months.