Project Gotham Racing 3 - Discussion Thread

gandley · 25-07-2005, 1:47 PM

man...i thought i was an old gamer at 30

Malone · 25-07-2005, 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gandley

man...i thought i was an old gamer at 30

9 years will go quickly my young padawan learner.

Matt

gandley · 25-07-2005, 4:13 PM

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Kopite4Ever · 25-07-2005, 4:38 PM

new trailer folks this time showing off.............GothamTV (GTv)

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/7...62/vids_1.html

top left video dated (07/25/2005)

also from the xbox 360 summit in tokyo which was held yesterday FYI

Bizarre reveals details on the launch title

July 24, 2005 - The latest occurrence at the Xbox Summit in Japan was a demonstration hosted by Bizarre Creation's Nick Davies. He showed off the graphically impressive vehicles and environments for Project Gotham Racing 3. The cars will be comprised of 40,000 exterior polygons and 40,000 interior polygons. This is a huge leap when compared to the 10,000 total polygons used on the vehicles of PGR2.

In another example of PGR3's advanced graphics Davies stated that the Brooklyn has the same number of polygons as the entire city of New York in PGR2. Players will be able to customize and create tracks and race 80 different cars. Also, the crowds watching the races are fully polygonal and number in the thousands. No more card board cutouts cheering on the roadside!

*Pooon* · 25-07-2005, 5:35 PM

Good find Kopite.

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Originally Posted by Kopite4Ever

In another example of PGR3's advanced graphics Davies stated that the Brooklyn has the same number of polygons as the entire city of New York in PGR2.

....but there is no New York in PGR2!

Kopite4Ever · 25-07-2005, 5:40 PM

could be a miss print but you get what he is saying

basically visually the game is gonna rock ass compared to PGR2

this is where i got the quotes from http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/636/636132p1.html

CAS FAN · 25-07-2005, 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PooonTang

Good find Kopite.

....but there is no New York in PGR2!

They must have ment Chicago, you would have thought that they would know their own games though

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Still this is looking amazing!! Cars with 8 times the detail and photorealistic cities!

What I found really annoying though was how that video started with "and yes, what you have just seen is real ingame footage!" Show me!!!

Can the 360's launch come quick enough - I think not!!

-Jay- · 25-07-2005, 7:16 PM

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Can the 360's launch come quick enough - I think not!!

No it bloody can't, I want PGR3 and Kameo sooooooo bad.

PGR3 is looking ace, i love getting to see new bits of it and that video is great.

CAS FAN · 25-07-2005, 7:20 PM

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No it bloody can't, I want PGR3 and Kameo sooooooo bad.

PGR3 is looking ace, i love getting to see new bits of it and that video is great.

Definately!! Shouldn't be long before we get video from an actual race I feel! All you will here is the sounds of future 360 owners Jaws dropping!

MacReady · 25-07-2005, 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CAS FAN

.....future 360 owners Jaws dropping!

That will be most of us that has been reading this thread with glee then

clarkwgriswold · 25-07-2005, 9:23 PM

FYI - it's a print mistake. Nick actually said 'all the polygons from NYC in gotham 1', not 2 ...

Tejstar · 26-07-2005, 8:52 AM

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Definately!! Shouldn't be long before we get video from an actual race I feel! All you will here is the sounds of future 360 owners Jaws dropping!

I have to be honest it will take a lot for my jaws to drop. PGR2’s graphics were already pretty damn fine. I can’t see a massive improvement in PGR3, although I’d love to be proved wrong!

*Pooon* · 26-07-2005, 10:53 AM

As some of you are probably aware i'm a massive fan of PGR2, and am looking forward to PGR3, however there are a few things that are starting to worry me:

PGR3 80 cars - PGR2 172cars. one of the things about pgr2 was the variety of cars to race, all handling differently, but with 80 cars all capable of 170mph, where's the variety, the depth?

Tracks - ive not heard to much about the cities in the new one but it's the track customisation the concerns me. imagine joining a room on live that the host is only running tracks that he has created himself, whats gonna happen, first corner you expect it to go left but it goes right, nice

40,000polygons to do the interior - ok it looks good but why? i'm never gonna look at it more than once, this to me is dressing, are they trying to hide something?

race footage - why has none been released yet? i'm an 'in-car' view driver so how pretty the cars look is secondary to me, how 'fast' it feels like i'm going is what i want

Hopefully all the above is paranoia as i'm sure bizarre creations won't let me down, but they have a lot to live up to. It needs to be good and i need to be good at it

CAS FAN · 26-07-2005, 11:00 AM

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I have to be honest it will take a lot for my jaws to drop. PGR2’s graphics were already pretty damn fine. I can’t see a massive improvement in PGR3, although I’d love to be proved wrong!

Surely you have seen the screenshots, which are all ingame shots.

Below is a PGR2 and PGR3 shot for comparison...

PGR2

PGR3

I personally think that there is quite a good improvement.

CAS FAN · 26-07-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PooonTang

As some of you are probably aware i'm a massive fan of PGR2, and am looking forward to PGR3, however there are a few things that are starting to worry me:

PGR3 80 cars - PGR2 172cars. one of the things about pgr2 was the variety of cars to race, all handling differently, but with 80 cars all capable of 170mph, where's the variety, the depth?

Tracks - ive not heard to much about the cities in the new one but it's the track customisation the concerns me. imagine joining a room on live that the host is only running tracks that he has created himself, whats gonna happen, first corner you expect it to go left but it goes right, nice

40,000polygons to do the interior - ok it looks good but why? i'm never gonna look at it more than once, this to me is dressing, are they trying to hide something?

race footage - why has none been released yet? i'm an 'in-car' view driver so how pretty the cars look is secondary to me, how 'fast' it feels like i'm going is what i want

Hopefully all the above is paranoia as i'm sure bizarre creations won't let me down, but they have a lot to live up to. It needs to be good and i need to be good at it

I wouldn't worry Pooon. PGR3 is going to be a different animal but I think for the better. They are clearly aiming for the online "sport" side of things with Gotham TV and although all the cars are fast, it doesn't mean that they won't handle completely different. I just view this as more refinement.

Regarding the interior polygon count - in a game of this graphical quality if you then catch a glimpse of a poor interior, then the illusion of realism is broken. I think that the detail is more for the viewers of Gotham TV so that it looks good when they flick to in car views.

Tracks - i'm sure that they will have this all sorted out. I'm sure it's more an option to give the game more longevity than anything. I guess if someone creates a decent track then everyone will download it and start using it where as the poor track designs won't get used. In time people will settle of a series of the better tracks for each city and thus the community will almost create it's own game. I see this as a plus not a negative and will enjoy learning everyone elses tracks. For serious races i'm sure that standard tracks will be used (at least initially).

Rece footage - they are nicely building the hype with this I feel and are deliberately holding back on race footage. They also have said that they've not finished the game yet and still aren't 100% sure whether they can get 60 fps or not (they almost certainly will but don't want to commit yet until they know 100%). I guess that they just want the wow factor to be as big as possible when they finally release proper race footage and they are probably revelling in the fact that people are discussing the out of car shots that we have seen so far.

I'm sure PGR3 will be an amazing game and I wouldn't worry too much about the negatives that could occur - keep the faith Pooon!

Munkey Boy · 26-07-2005, 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PooonTang

<snip>however there are a few things that are starting to worry me:

PGR3 80 cars - PGR2 172cars. <snip>

Tracks <snip>

40,000 polygons to do the interior <snip>

race footage <snip>

Paranoid city!! Don't panic, Bizarre haven't let us down yet... You can't get too worried about them providing too much detail, you should be worried about the reverse! I don't know, there's just no pleasing some people...! 80 cars I'm sure will be more than enough, after all it's not a simulator, but an arcader...

And I'm sure the track customisation point has been considered, ranked games or whatever will probably have to be on standard layouts, but I'm sure you can run custom games too a la Halo 2. I've not seen anything that's worrying me yet about this one - you've got to remember it's a launch title and so perhaps not have quite as much depth as other already available titles, but you're getting new features to balance this out. The sense of speed you mention is always done well in PGR games, I'm sure they're aware of this

*Pooon* · 26-07-2005, 3:19 PM

I'm sure your right munkey+cas. just minor niggles really, i'm sure the game will be the dogs danglies, i just hope its as hard as PGR2 etc. to be honest i'd of been happy with a graphical update of PGR2!!!!!!!!. After all the hours i've pumped into pgr2, platinum KWS+Kudos Rank 41, i want, no need, pgr3 to be amazing, which i'm sure it will be

CAS FAN · 26-07-2005, 3:51 PM

I'm sure it will be as hard as PGR2 but I feel that they will be focusing more on the online aspects than the single player game this time. The whole "make it a sport" concept is fantastic as if you are say in the top 100 drivers then you will possibly be performing in front of 1000's of other players on GTV! That whole concept is amazingly exciting to me and whilst I feel that PGR2 is a great racer, this moves gaming on to a whole new level for me.

I hope that Gotham TV is just the start of it with the new Live system and that we really see gaming become an online spectator sport as well as a participation sport. I guess you can always say why watch when you can play (ooer

) but it will be great to tune in to race final to see the guy who left you for dust several rounds back crash on the last corner whilst leading by 10 seconds

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For me PGR3 is more a vehicle for this new concept and I can't wait to see if Bizarre can pull this off!

Kopite4Ever · 26-07-2005, 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CAS FAN

I personally think that there is quite a good improvement.

you dont really know the difference untill they are next to one another ! cant believe the world and crowd in PGR3

roll on november

*Pooon* · 26-07-2005, 7:15 PM

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if you are say in the top 100 drivers then you will possibly be performing in front of 1000's of other players on GTV!

...of course I will be

could be pretty cool having you guys watch a master at work!

Kopite4Ever · 26-07-2005, 7:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PooonTang

...of course I will be

could be pretty cool having you guys watch a master at work!

or a pure saddo depending on your stance

*Pooon* · 26-07-2005, 8:03 PM

Thats me!!!!

Kopite4Ever · 26-07-2005, 9:16 PM

pooney i'll make up for that blatently true comment

have some of the latest trailer in 720p

it weighs in at about 100mb but i thought it was worth it

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1534_en.html

CAS FAN · 26-07-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kopite4Ever

pooney i'll make up for that blatently true comment

have some of the latest trailer in 720p

it weighs in at about 100mb but i thought it was worth it

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1534_en.html

Class trailer!! Shows some great footage of the race viewed through GTV. I love the way it brings the driver name up along with car make and the in car shots really are nice!

Tejstar · 27-07-2005, 6:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CAS FAN

Surely you have seen the screenshots, which are all ingame shots.

I have and there is a difference. However, like Steve said I’m waiting for in-car video before I pass ultimate judgement. Although, Bizarra hasn’t let me down before.

-Jay- · 27-07-2005, 8:37 AM

Pooon you'll probably know this one, i've just read a thread on the pgr3 forums that all the cars will be unlocked from the start is that true? hope it is like cos i want to just jump on live with this bad boy lol

CAS FAN · 27-07-2005, 9:50 AM

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Pooon you'll probably know this one, i've just read a thread on the pgr3 forums that all the cars will be unlocked from the start is that true? hope it is like cos i want to just jump on live with this bad boy lol

Yes that is true - you can do the entire game in just one car if you like. They are going for ultimate flexibility with PGR3 so that the gamer can effectively create his/her own game - build own tracks, use what ever car suites etc. I reckon that they will still include a secret Platinum car though for the likes of Steve to go for

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-Jay- · 27-07-2005, 9:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CAS FAN

Yes that is true - you can do the entire game in just one car if you like. They are going for ultimate flexibility with PGR3 so that the gamer can effectively create his/her own game - build own tracks, use what ever car suites etc. I reckon that they will still include a secret Platinum car though for the likes of Steve to go for

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Great news that mate

Much better to be able to just go straight online with it, I'm getting Kameo so trying to unlock cars and play online while trying to have a go of Kameo would have left me no time.

CAS FAN · 27-07-2005, 10:07 AM

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Great news that mate

Much better to be able to just go straight online with it, I'm getting Kameo so trying to unlock cars and play online while trying to have a go of Kameo would have left me no time.

Yeah, I agree - I hate having to unlock cars in these games and developers seem to have got caught in the trap. You can still have a challenging and rewarding 1 player game without having to start off Daihatsu Move, gradually unlocking slightly better cars as you go along. Personally i'm for the give me 80 supercars right now senario!

Kopite4Ever · 27-07-2005, 11:39 AM

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Personally i'm for the give me 80 supercars right now senario!

i much prefer games like this nowaday simply because with other things i dont get the time to spend hours upon hours trying to unlock things. i can see a great satisfaction for gamers who do like it but its abit unfair not to put everyone on a level playing field for the online mode. i remember the first day i got PGR2 and had ago online (not much of a car buff) so i chose like a decentish car in a 1 on 1 race and lets just say i only seen the Ferrari Enzo's tail for about 5 seconds