[brandondanger]

is this correct? ive got a sharp p50e, the hd looks great on it but when im watching normal tv (through hdmi) it wont output at standard def. now my tv is having to downscale the picture. my tv is optimised for sd but the only option it gives me is 720 or 1080.

[WillBowling]

no.
if you are watching through the hdmi connector and that is set to 720 or 1080 then that is the screen resolution of the pic and the panel will display it as such. your tv does not know that you have switched to sd programs because the telewest box ONLY outputs the set resolution through the hdmi cable. if it changed with the pic you would have problems. your telewest box upscales the pic.

[brandondanger]

so the tvdrive is upscaling standard def to 720 and because my screen isnt hd (although it looks great on it) its having to downscale? 2 lots of scaling? cant be doing the picture any good.

[ijd]

Originally Posted by brandondanger

(although it looks great on it)

YOUR WORDS !!!

[WillBowling]

well, the tv will be constantly downscalling everything you put through the hdmi lead from telewest. no it is not good for the pic but then it is designed for a hd tv.

[choddo2006]

The Sharp is designed to handle 720p very well though (3/4 line filtering)

Not ideal of course.

[brandondanger]

actually im very impressed with the picture, given it a bit of a tweeking and its great now. seems more stable than scart, if thats the right word. hd is amazing on the set.... have i said that before? im blown away, glad i only spent £700 on this now, could have spent twice that for a slightly better hidef picture and a much worse sd picture. it hurts being this good!


ouch!

[WillBowling]

so if its so great and your really pleased with the pic, wot are you on about?

[brandondanger]

like i said, im pleased with the pic now. after ive tweeked it a bit.....

[choddo2006]

Now, 40 minutes later?

[Daddy k]

stop picking!
he only asked a bloody question and hes happy with his current setup, its just nice to know if u can get better, u know a bit like ur happy with a porsche gt3 but ud still be interested if you can get it chipped.

what are u guys tv salesmen?

[WillBowling]

enjoy your viewing!

[brandondanger]

yes, 40 minutes. i found my tv has a full, underscan 1 or underscan 2 setting. changed it to full from underscan 1 and now its a lot better.

you doubt me?

[Rizza]

Brandondanger, I'm glad you posted this thread, I'm a big fan of that telly since I saw a demo of it with 2 other HD ready TV's and saw no difference in all 3. I hope people with small budgets will wise up to this bargain, and realise a good HD capable TV doesn't have to cost the earth.

Rizza

[ijd]

Truth is we are never happy, always looking for that little bit extra.if your happy with it ....stick with it...until you see better....thats what upgrading is all about.
enjoy it.
remember how your car seems slower after a few months of driving, yet nothing has changed but your own perception...

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by Rizza

Brandondanger, I'm glad you posted this thread, I'm a big fan of that telly since I saw a demo of it with 2 other HD ready TV's and saw no difference in all 3. I hope people with small budgets will wise up to this bargain, and realise a good HD capable TV doesn't have to cost the earth.

Rizza

but it's not hd...
it accepts a hd signal and puts it on a sd screen. it can look as nice as you like but if you put it next to a hd screen with the same hd input on both then definition will be better on the hd screen. if you think you havent seen a difference in a fair test then the quality of the hd screens was not very good, the set up was wrong or the video source was bad.

if its sd its sd.

[brandondanger]

ha ha, yu
ou sound like youve just spent a lot on a hd set...
it was sitting next to s v series sony 32. both sets were displaying pride on telewest hd, hdmi. i tweeked both sets and the difference was marginal. Dont get me wrong i know how much better the hd set should be, lots of extra pixels etc... but it wasnt...

[shaithis]

and it took you 40 minutes to find a setting to make your screen look better.

What had been done to the setups of the screens you looked at?

While the difference between SD and HD screens displaying HD content isn't a quantum-leap forward, it is quite noticable - if things are setup correctly and the screen is of sufficient size.

[brandondanger]

its not a quantum leap forward no, but youd think that when your paying twice as much for a screen with a hd logo it would be. just my opinion anyway. and as has been said before, its individual tastes that count, if people think its worth spending so much more on a hd screen when they have compared them to non hd screens then good on them. but i couldnt justify the extra expense.

[Giblets2]

Originally Posted by brandondanger

but youd think that when your paying twice as much for a screen with a hd logo it would be

My 32" HD Ready TV was £860, how much was your SD Ready one again?

[blakey1]

In theroy unless you have a 1080i panel then no one will be watching true HD if the comments are correct that most Sky HD will be 1080i and the engineers are being told to set the box to output at 1080i

Also it would seem that a fair few LCD's simply take the 1080i signal turn into 540p and scale it to 768. Therefore a scaled Sharp picture. Remember theres more to a TV than simply how pixels it has. The size of the TV how far from the TV you sit all comes into account. I own the Sharp also and have seen it running against a number of HD ready sets and saw little or no difference.

At the end of the day though does it matter who has the best set? Who has more lines? All that matters are that people are happy with their sets. Seems like the guy in question is more than happy with his Sharp and thats what counts.

Of course what are all those with 720/768 panels going to say when people who start buying 1080i panel start coming on the forum telling everyone how much better their panels are and how 768 panels are not true HD panels etc.

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by brandondanger

ha ha, yu
ou sound like youve just spent a lot on a hd set...
it was sitting next to s v series sony 32. both sets were displaying pride on telewest hd, hdmi. i tweeked both sets and the difference was marginal. Dont get me wrong i know how much better the hd set should be, lots of extra pixels etc... but it wasnt...

nope, i've had mine for 8 months and got it at a very special £725.00 beat that,
the pic quality is great through intergrated digital tuner, componant @ 720p and 1080i, vga at 1360 x 768 (1:1 ratio), even scart is good. i can see the difference when i use different inputs, i am GOOD at setting these things up because its what i do for a living and it still took me hours to set the best pic settings individually for the different inputs. you need to adjust to the set, you need to tweak to get the best from different program types (indoor, outdoor, night, day...) it takes time. maybe you need to spend a little more time looking at different sets instead of writing posts about how your sd is comparable to any hd... i think you missed something...

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by shaithis

and it took you 40 minutes to find a setting to make your screen look better.

What had been done to the setups of the screens you looked at?

While the difference between SD and HD screens displaying HD content isn't a quantum-leap forward, it is quite noticable - if things are setup correctly and the screen is of sufficient size.

finally! someone talking sense!!!

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by shaithis

and it took you 40 minutes to find a setting to make your screen look better.

sorry, just couldnt resist quoting that twice!

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by blakey1

Of course what are all those with 720/768 panels going to say when people who start buying 1080i panel start coming on the forum telling everyone how much better their panels are and how 768 panels are not true HD panels etc.

no one with a 720 has said their tv looks as good as a 1080.
besides 1080i will not be the next big thing, 1080p will be better. i've seen 1080i with hd input and it does look good, almost like a window but then so does 720 when its done right.
it is true that there are a lot of inferior processing chips in a lot of good lcd and plasma panels causing lack of resolution but this is one of the pitfalls of unscrupillous manufacturers making cheap equipment. buyers beware, thats why these forums exist.

[blakey1]

Originally Posted by WillBowling

finally! someone talking sense!!!

Is thats because hes agreeing with you? And is he? Whats a suitable sized screen? doubt hes saying its a 32 inch.

[bobsplace]

Originally Posted by WillBowling

sorry, just couldnt resist quoting that twice!

Got my vote, cant wait for hidef on my plasma.

Maybe there should be a seperate forum for hidef naysayers.

So many saying its going to be hopeless and cancelling, what happened to a glass being half full

Its a monumental step in the av world, for enthusiasts anyway, i sometimes think ive landed on the wrong forum

[blakey1]

Originally Posted by WillBowling

no one with a 720 has said their tv looks as good as a 1080.
besides 1080i will not be the next big thing, 1080p will be better. i've seen 1080i with hd input and it does look good, almost like a window but then so does 720 when its done right.
it is true that there are a lot of inferior processing chips in a lot of good lcd and plasma panels causing lack of resolution but this is one of the pitfalls of unscrupillous manufacturers making cheap equipment. buyers beware, thats why these forums exist.

So if the person in question saw 1080i HD running on a HD ready lcd which was not very good at deinterlacing as it seems a fair few are not. Would there be any real difference as the HD ready set could be simply scaling 540p

In reality until HDTV is launched and people can to side by side comparisons no one can say how much better a HD ready set will be at running HD than the Sharp on a 32-37 inch set

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by blakey1

In theroy unless you have a 1080i panel then no one will be watching true HD if the comments are correct that most Sky HD will be 1080i and the engineers are being told to set the box to output at 1080i

Also it would seem that a fair few LCD's simply take the 1080i signal turn into 540p and scale it to 768. Therefore a scaled Sharp picture. Remember theres more to a TV than simply how pixels it has. The size of the TV how far from the TV you sit all comes into account. I own the Sharp also and have seen it running against a number of HD ready sets and saw little or no difference.

it has always been said that you should set the resolution of your source to that of your screens native resolution. the way you have described changing 1080i to 720 is correct in many (if not all) cases and seems perfectly reasonable to me. if your sky engineer sets the box to 1080 even though you have a 720 then change it back or get him to do it. you will still get all your programs but the ones that are actually in 720 will be native and the ones that are 1080 will be downscaled by the sky box, why would you take a mix of 720 and 1080 and make them all 1080 just for your tv to downscale them all again when you could save processing of some and transmit them all in a format that is native to your display? most people understand that any processing of picture is detrimental and so USE COMMON SENSE.
Why would sky tell their installers to set the boxes to 1080 when very few people have a 1080 native resolution? i'm not saying that they are not doing that, just that with a little thought you can see how silly it is.

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by blakey1

So if the person in question saw 1080i HD running on a HD ready lcd which was not very good at deinterlacing as it seems a fair few are not. Would there be any real difference as the HD ready set could be simply scaling 540p

In reality until HDTV is launched and people can to side by side comparisons no one can say how much better a HD ready set will be at running HD than the Sharp on a 32-37 inch set

the whole thread is about how he has seen hd on hd sets and his sd set and he doesnt see much (if any) differance... start on page one and read down from there. + notice all the stuff about how it could not have been set up properly etc... and other peoples comments about seeing them side by side.