Anyone got any PAL issues with VP30+ABT102 and v1.08?

[StooMonster]

Over on AVSforum some people are complaining about PAL / 576i issues with VP30+ABT102 and software v1.08 -- as a beta tester for DVDO I'm trying to help them resolve this, but haven't got any issues myself.

Is anyone experiencing any problems? If so, can you please PM me, or post here, so I can try and replicate and report back to DVDO and get any issues resolved.

Cheers

StooMonster

[Sparky66]

Hi StooMonster,

I live in PAL land (Australia) and did the 1.08 upgrade. After going through all the settings and adjustments, I realised that the output image was degraded to the point that it looked almost interlaced and full of artifacting errors. Image seems darker with black levels in dark scenes taking a step backwards.
(Seems like a compressed pixel cropped image with lack of detail).
Just can't seem to get a clear, very detailed image as I could before, so returned to 1.07 !!
See this thread in OZ for further confirmation and discussion !! http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s...c=27981&st=900

My setup is :
Arcam DV29 dvd player (576i PAL / YUV-Digital Video output via HDMI to VP30
Foxtel Digital satellite (Sky-pace) 576i PAL / YUV output via component to VP30.
DVDO iScan VP30 with ABT-102D de-interlacing card upgrade.
De-interlacing set to Auto
ColourSpace set to YCbCr 422
Format to 720p / 50
Framerate -50 Hz -50Hz locked and 60 Hz -60Hz locked

Toshiba 62" DLP Rptv (720p/1080i 50Hz and 60Hz) connected via HDMI to VP30

[davsdu]

Do all Pal people experience these issues? (I currently have 1.07 installed and am hesitating to update to 1.08)

[davsdu]

anyone?

[The Nightfly]

I've held off updating my VP30 with this release. I'm not really interested in the new 'stretch' features and it doesn't appear, from what I've read, to fix any of the bugs I'm interested in like hdmi auto-switching and pass-through of 5.1 channel LPCM on hdmi inputs. DVDO have stated that there are no picture quality improvements in this release and PAL users are warning of possible issues. I think I'll pass on this one.

Allan

[Sparky66]

My apologies for causing a fracas over the 1.08 firmware upgrade.
It seemed like I had issues even when recalibrating all the picture settings but it seems I needed to hardware reset my VP30. I re-installed the 1.08 firmware and then hardware reset it( Menu + Exit and replugged unit back in). After this I re-adjusted all the settings and the picture quality is exactly as the previous 1.07 setup.
Still has issues with audible sounding short screech when going from PCM audio to Dolby Digital though.

Originally Posted by Sparky66

Hi StooMonster,

I live in PAL land (Australia) and did the 1.08 upgrade. After going through all the settings and adjustments, I realised that the output image was degraded to the point that it looked almost interlaced and full of artifacting errors. Image seems darker with black levels in dark scenes taking a step backwards.
(Seems like a compressed pixel cropped image with lack of detail).
Just can't seem to get a clear, very detailed image as I could before, so returned to 1.07 !!
See this thread in OZ for further confirmation and discussion !! http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s...c=27981&st=900

My setup is :
Arcam DV29 dvd player (576i PAL / YUV-Digital Video output via HDMI to VP30
Foxtel Digital satellite (Sky-pace) 576i PAL / YUV output via component to VP30.
DVDO iScan VP30 with ABT-102D de-interlacing card upgrade.
De-interlacing set to Auto
ColourSpace set to YCbCr 422
Format to 720p / 50
Framerate -50 Hz -50Hz locked and 60 Hz -60Hz locked

Toshiba 62" DLP Rptv (720p/1080i 50Hz and 60Hz) connected via HDMI to VP30

[The Nightfly]

Sparky,

Good to hear that you're not finding any PAL issues following a reset. I was a bit worried that if there had been PAL issues, something useful might come along in a later release that I would have to forego if the PAL issues were still there.

Allan

[StooMonster]

So, there are no PAL issues for me to try and replicate?

I've had v1.08 for quite a while (being an official DVDO beta tester) and haven't had any picture quality issues -- it was getting frustrating trying to make some.

Many audio fixes are done in v1.08, especially the HDMI ones; but there still seem to be a couple of problems.

StooMonster

[The Nightfly]

Stoo,

Do you have a multi-channel LCPM source + processor you could try with the signal passing through the VP30?

Allan

[StooMonster]

I have an Arcam AV8 processor, but don't think I have such a source.

Is that DVD-A or HD DVD / BluRay?

StooMonster

[The Nightfly]

Stoo,

No problem if you havn't. I'm probably going to buy a HD-DVD player before too long and it would be nice to access the advanced audio codecs via HDMI if the VP30 passed the full 5.1 channel LCPM through to the output. If/when the VP30 can do that, I'll also buy an AV amp / processor that supports it.

I'm sure I read on AVS that this worked in vers 1.0 but has been broken since 1.05 with only two channel PCM now appearing at the HDMI output.

Allan

[StooMonster]

I thought the HD DVD audio 5.1 channel LCPM problem was fixed in v1.08 -- via two selectable EDID tables. Mentioned in the v1.08 release notes I believe.

StooMonster

[ailean]

Think someone said they'd tried it (HD-DVD 5.1 PCM) on AVS but it still didn't work.

I've been holding off the 1.08 because of the reported PAL issues as everything I watch goes thru the VP30 but I may give it a go this week and see if I can notice anything.

[StooMonster]

I am still trying to locate these "PAL issues" with v1.08!

So far we have "didn't power-cycle after upgrade" and "my DVD player is doing FRC and messing up pq" examples

Therefore, as per topic of this thread, does anyone have any specific PAL issues with v1.08 that can not be explained by user-error?

StooMonster

[liam_b]

Stoomonster, yes, possibly (because I'm uncertain if its the ABT102 at fault or not).

When I installed 1.08 I did a Menu+Exit+power plug in reset and then reentered my input and output settings.

Over the past few days I been watching a bit of tennis and several times I've seen what I'd call a 'venetian blind' effect when the players move after they've been stationary for a bit, like when they stand still about to serve, this clears quickly, I assume this the ABT102 is incorrectly using film instead of video because it doesn't look the same as combing or jaggies.

On News24 the effect occurs on the prerecorded weather forecast where the weatherperson is superimposed over the panning of the large UK map, normally their hand/arm/face when they move at the same time as the map moving.

Bloomberg has those horizontal tickertapes which usually are ok but occasionally they'll have a bit of something playing the top left box that causes the ABT102 to switch to another cadence, at that moment the tickertape starts to comb and continues until the moving stuff in the top left finishes moving.

Finally the worst looking output I've ever seen from the ABT102 was earlier this evening watching Fifth Gear, I've no idea what was wrong but curves on cars looked very blocked, worse than jaggies, the blocks were bigger, I tried flicking between the deinterlacing modes and the only one that really helped was Game 1 which softens the picture but also lessens the blocks, Video didn't help which is odd because I can't imagine the show not being film or video, there isn't anything else is there?

I checked and the ABT102 is working just fine with the ABT102 NTSC test disk but I'm seeing odd things checking DVE PAL and NTSC Title 15 Chapter 6 the box directly below '4:2:0' that alternates yellow/cyan has pixels of one colour breaking through the other, the SiI504 never did this. Sorry I haven't gotten round to taking a picture of this yet.

The component inputs are giving some weird patterns (Svideo and composite are fine) when viewing DVEs high frequency horizontal multiburst test patterns, Title 13 Chapter 5 both NTSC and PAL show 'wrinkles' at the top right, I've already written to DVDO about this, I would be interested to hear if other people have observed this, if not then my VP30 might be faulty. I'd post some pictures but the files are far too big for the forum, PM if you want to see.

[no matter how many times you reread it there's always some speelong eroar that evades you!]

What DVE PAL Title 13 Chapter 5 should like look-


What my VP30 does to it (cropped picture of top right hand corner) -