[Jake79]

Greetings from Poland

Ad meritum at once...How to get to "service menu" in Samsung CW29Z508T?

To cut a long story short I'd like to display some settings in order to eliminate/correct some abnormalities, among others, in a scope of screen geometry (the term of "abnormalities" means: 1) darker places in the corners of a screen (they are noticeable especially on a homogeneous background - white, green, blue red etc.) 2.) noticeable SINUATION/WAVINESS of the corners and of the verges of the screen that appears especially under the component cable (4 example during playing the games on PS2).

Do all the slim-crt causes similar problems?

There is no need to note that there is nothing to help in "user menu" ( with such kind of anomalies).

I'M ASKING 4 HELP.

THANKS AWFULLY 4 any good advices.


My TV

[Mofoman]

I am an expert on the slimfit series, well I class myself as one now,lol.

Your set is faulty, and samsung released some better tubes for replacement, that are far superior to the original tube's, so if your Tv is still in warranty, call your local samsung and get it repaired, as the problem's you are seeing are common with alot of the set's that came off the production line's, but would be classed as faulty tubes by a decent engineer.

I had similar problems with a 419d HD set, and I got my tube replaced by Samsung free of charge and my tube is the newer tubes they now use for replacement, and the difference is astounding, no more geometry problem's, the brightness issue is so minimal you would have to be constantly looking for it, and te only issue that remains is minor, and I mean minor blurring in one corner.and it's so extremely in the corner, it is only visible with the first letter of a banner.

Overall if you have a set, with way out of whack geometry and serious convergence issues or buzzing, or colour purity problems such as a stained corner purple, then the tube must be replaced, as it's faulty and is not just because it's a slimfit. A proper slimift set up with a good working tube in the condition it should be in, and set up properly by the engineer, doing things like turning off the the scan velocity modulation, is an outstanding picture, imo, since the tube is so narrow. It doesn't come near the quality of a Super fine pitch trintron, but it's nowhere near the price either, but they are better than LCD, and Ultra slimfit has actually cured alot of the ealier slimfit problem's, because it now has the correct depth for the way the tube is designed.

Ultra Slimfits should be available in europe in Hd in the first quarter of 2008.

[onkeh]

Originally Posted by KyoDash

The new "Ultra" slim TV's Mofoman spoke of have just been released in India. They are not the same as the UK models or the gimped US TX-309, but feature a new tube with none of the issues as the last model. No 1080p, but 480p/720p/1080i native support in 4:3.

There are some reviews of them out there on the net, and are stated as to be much better than the older models. The US does not have these sets, and neither do many other territories.

I'm sorry Jake, basically all the previous Samsung slimfit ranges suffer from these sort of problems and it doesn't surprise me at all to find the new range exactly the same. I'm positive your model is exactly the same as the new and "improved" range currently available in Korea and India and by all accounts they're basically no improvement. It's 4:3 and HD ready is it not?

[Jake79]

Originally Posted by Mofoman

I am an expert on the slimfit series, well I class myself as one now,lol.

Your set is faulty, and samsung released some better tubes for replacement, that are far superior to the original tube's, so if your Tv is still in warranty, call your local samsung and get it repaired, as the problem's you are seeing are common with alot of the set's that came off the production line's, but would be classed as faulty tubes by a decent engineer.

I had similar problems with a 419d HD set, and I got my tube replaced by Samsung free of charge and my tube is the newer tubes they now use for replacement, and the difference is astounding, no more geometry problem's, the brightness issue is so minimal you would have to be constantly looking for it, and te only issue that remains is minor, and I mean minor blurring in one corner.and it's so extremely in the corner, it is only visible with the first letter of a banner.

Overall if you have a set, with way out of whack geometry and serious convergence issues or buzzing, or colour purity problems such as a stained corner purple, then the tube must be replaced, as it's faulty and is not just because it's a slimfit. A proper slimift set up with a good working tube in the condition it should be in, and set up properly by the engineer, doing things like turning off the the scan velocity modulation, is an outstanding picture, imo, since the tube is so narrow. It doesn't come near the quality of a Super fine pitch trintron, but it's nowhere near the price either, but they are better than LCD, and Ultra slimfit has actually cured alot of the ealier slimfit problem's, because it now has the correct depth for the way the tube is designed.

Ultra Slimfits should be available in europe in Hd in the first quarter of 2008.

Flowers 4 expert
To tell the truth, however my tv is only 3 weeks old and it is still in warranty, I'm not sure whether its abnormalities woluld be enough to obtain some better tube for replacement. (Abnoramalities I have written before are noticeable especially on component cable and they are not easy to note during watching tv or a dvd via scart).
On the other hand they say that samsung tv service is very rigorous in this scope. Ergo - is tehere any "home-made" way to check out whether my tv woluld be categorized to replecement? (Look at the attached picture please).

Btw, one more time, how to get to service menu in this kind of samsung crt-slim tv? (Is there any possibility to get in there? I've tried a following combination in standby option (on the remote control): info => menu => mute => power on. I've repeated this sequence few times without any result;(().

Thx for any good advice

Originally Posted by onkeh

I'm sorry Jake, basically all the previous Samsung slimfit ranges suffer from these sort of problems and it doesn't surprise me at all to find the new range exactly the same. I'm positive your model is exactly the same as the new and "improved" range currently available in Korea and India and by all accounts they're basically no improvement. It's 4:3 and HD ready is it not?

I am not an expert but - in general - may be 4:3 screen format categorized as a HD-ready? Besides this my tv model is able to receive a video signal in a range of 480p -1080i; however the higher resolutions may be refreshed on 50/60Hz level (and it is a main flaw of this crt serie).

[onkeh]

Yep that's the one, you have one of the new generation slimfits that has been trumpeted by certain people on this forum (without seeing one first-hand) as having none of the problems of its predecessors. It's patently clear that this is not the case.

Unfortunately for you, although your set is showing a host of obvious problems, they're nowhere near as bad as some of the worse cases from the earlier models, so I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung told you there's nothing wrong with it.

For the love of god, take it back as soon as possible and pray that they let you exchange it for something else.

[Jake79]

Originally Posted by onkeh

Unfortunately for you, although your set is showing a host of obvious problems, they're nowhere near as bad as some of the worse cases from the earlier models, so I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung told you there's nothing wrong with it.

For the love of god, take it back as soon as possible and pray that they let you exchange it for something else.

That's right. As you can see my tv anomalies are not horrible, especially at first sight. They are noticeable with component cable mainly (It is worth to note that attached pictures were made on the component cable). On the other hand even small flaw is a flaw, isn't it?

At first I will try to exchange my tv at the seller. (btw, last week, I checked out another model of this tv and I found out very similar flaws on it And thus I didn't exchange it. So i will try one more time this week; I count on the seller's understanding).

After all I will try to obtain some better tube for replacement at the samsung service. But still I do not know whether such kind of anomalies "is enough" 4 samsung service to obtain an exchange?

All in all, the questions I've asked before are still up-to-date.

So - how to get to service-menu of this tv model? (Is it possible at all?).
Is there any possibility to correct my tv flaws in a scope of service menu? (look at the attached pictures, please).
Is there any "home-made" way to check out whether my tv woluld be categorized to replecement at the samsung service?

I'M ASKING 4 HELP.

Traditionally - THANKS AWFULLY 4 any good advices.

[onkeh]

OK sorry I'll try to answer your questions more specifically

1) I'm sure it's possible, but because it's new and only been released in non-english speaking countries, I don't think anybody here knows what the code is.

2) There are many settings you can fiddle with in the service menu to improve the geometry however bear in mind you'll never be able to get it perfect.

3) I'm not sure what Samsung are like Poland, but here in the UK there were some shocking accounts from people with really horrible sets that were refused service by Samsung because they were "in tolerance". From looking at your pictures it's my guess that they won't do anything, but you may get lucky.

[Jake79]

Finally I found out that indicated abnormalities (this goes to darker places of the screen) propably ensue from flawed fastening of the deflecting coils of the dispaly tube.

And so the professional service is needed Paradoxically samsung servis propably will not consider such kind of anomalies. Additionally there is no way to correct all the flaws via "home made" methods. By all accounts only vertical anomalies may be correct by means of service menu; there is also another side of the story - still I do not know how to get in service menu

All in all thx a lot 4 help...I am opened to further comments.

[Eiji]

So, this is the fabled Z50 series Ultra Slimfit?

Horrible considering everything that has been touted about them

[Jake79]

Originally Posted by Eiji83

So, this is the fabled Z50 series Ultra Slimfit?

Horrible considering everything that has been touted about them

This is "average" slim-fit. But in a range of screen flaws this is as good as fabled Z50 series Ultra Slimfit

One more time - ANY IDEAS HOW TO GET TO SERVICE MENU??? (Is there anyone able to find a samsung-pdf file describeing a process of dispalying this tv model via service menu? I tried many times but I couldn't find anythig on the web).

[AceAceFlyer]

Have you tried the code for the older slimfits.

I believe it is:

Info
Menu
Mute
Power

The problems you have with your set appear to be worse than what I have with my 409.

I think this basically proves that Samsung can't get slimfit right, I wanted to believe, but now I am seeing this is a dud concept.

Return your TV and get an LCD or Plasma, then you should have no Geo issues and SD isn't as bad as some make out.

[Mofoman]

The Tv is faulty, the geometry is not that bad, it's got some issue's but I think you need an engineer to look at it to determine the cause of the problem's.

You have flaw's which are not acceptable, and just refuse to take no for an answer, you want your tv fixed, it's three week's old, and was not sold to you as a new tv should be.

Those line's on the tv, are normally related to a power issue. But it's hard to tell from CRt screenshot's, as it's very hard to take screen's of a CRT.

What to do is get an engineer out, and have him have a look, I sus[ect he will take the set away right away and fix the fault's. Samsung themselves are pretty rigirous here in the Uk now with Slimfit after all the complaint's and if there is any fault , they take them away to be fixed now, whereas, when slimfit was first released, there was so many issue's with the new technology, they were a bit out of order, saying there was nothing that could be done, and this was due to the design of the set.

Now they at least repair faulty unit's, and people like Gixxerman and myself know what a good slimfit picture can look like.
Fault's I see in your unit are:

1.The corner issue, should not be as pronounced as you describe, especially on the 4;3 models. All slimfit's so far have had the darker corner's. but newer better tube's, and a brightness uniformity chip has allieviated this problem, though I don't know the tech inside your model, I thiink your's is not based on the more advanced Z57 sseries tv. But if it hinder's viewing, it's a fault.

2. Both the upper and lower screen geometry is slightly out. I think adjusting the pincushion setting's will solve this, but leave this to the engineer, as they have tools to tell them what the geometry error's are and in which order to fix them. It can be done by eye, but it's a pain in the ass, and the enginner's job is to do it for you when the set is serviced.

3. The setting's for your Horizontal width are wrong, as the picture does not seem to be filling the complete screen. Once again, this is a fault, and in the factory, the component 720p/1080i geometry setting's have been set wrong. This is making the corner geometry problem's glaringly obvious, and once again, a fault.

4. Is your Tv displaying fly lines?? By that I mean, can you see wavy line's when the picture is on component, or at a certain resolution?? These usually appear on the left and right sides of the screen, about a couple of inches in around the centre of the tv. If so, that is a fault if it is annoying your viewing pleasure.

Hope this helps. Get an enbginner out, it's free, and he can tell you the score right away.

[Jake79]

At first I will try to exchange my tv at the seller; I go to the market on Friday.
But to tell the truth I am afraid that almost all tv models of this set is flawed in a scope of screen geometry. All in all I will ascertain soon. After all if the visit at the seller won't help I am gonna try to execute the elimination of the flaws with the help of samsung-service.

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ad. 1) Btw I didn't know that the corner issue concerning all slimfit's so far, except of the newest series. So my tv corner issue is a standard issue, taht goes to the whole set of this tv? In other words - does every slim-fit tv, 4:3 format, has got the darker places in the corners of a screen?

2.) By "engineer" you mean - samsung-service-engineer;-)?

3.) Also I didn't realize that the picture should completely fill the screen. This issue goes to higher resolutions, gaining with component cable. (During watching a "normal" video signal, using an euro cable, the screen is completely filled.).

4.) I'm not sure,I didn't notice taht kind of anomalies. (But look at the pictures, please).

I decided to attach additionally pictures, that had been made during watching cable television. It will help to analyse the problem more precisely. (The first and the second picture bring to light the most noticeable anomalies that can be found while watching an average tv. However the last one photo indicates that considering abnormalities are not easy to find out at first sight, without well-defined, striaght, vertical or horizontal lines on the screen).

ad. AceAceFlyer)

I've already tried out this combination - but without any result (look at the fourth post in this topic).

Ergo, the question - HOW TO DISPALY this tv model by means of SERVICE MENU is still up to date.

I am waiting 4 further comments

Thx awfully 4 any good advice

[Jake79]

I was at the seller last week. Unfortunately I have returned empty-handed; the market-director suggested me to call the samsung's service.

However I know my rights in a scope of disagreement between the article and the contract, because of practical considerations I am gonna call the samsung's service (I hope the service solve the problem faster than the seller, who does not have any samsung crt models at the moment).

Beside this...IS THERE ANYBODY, WHO KNOWS HOW TO GET TO SERVICE MENU OF Samsung CW29Z508T? I'll be very grateful for any help (especially for any link to pdf file, containing properly display settings).

After all have a nice New Year's Eve party friends

I have the same type of TV.
Be sure, the "info => menu => mute => power on" method works.
Press the buttons with 0.5-1 sec identical interval, and you will get the service menu.

Good luck!

[Jake79]

Originally Posted by reale

I have the same type of TV.
Be sure, the "info => menu => mute => power on" method works.
Press the buttons with 0.5-1 sec identical interval, and you will get the service menu.

Good luck!

That is a good information

But there is also another side of the story - how to display settings to eliminate flaws? (any samsung's pdf file??

After all does your tv cause similar flaws as main? Ewentually - how did you manage with its bugs in a field of screen geometry?

Hi Jake79,

Fortunately, my TV was adjusted by a conscientious factory wo(man), so I'm absolutely satisfied with the picture quality and geometry of my TV. It's perfect.
(I saw pictures of your screen, those are really terrible and could be far better...it means incomparable better corners, parabola, linearity, trapez, angle, bow, etc.)
I was just interested in reaching service menu and tried it, succeeded.
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The rule of thumb: first of all describe or take a picture on your default settings of service menu, afterwards you are able to make experiments.
Samsung WSZ32419D Slimfit CRT settings
Please, see these pictures and notices.
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+ Listen to Mofoman's advice. Call your "friend's friend" who is an expert/engineer in CRT adjusting, I'm afraid that self-made tuning may result in worse picture quality than before.
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Cheer up!

[Jake79]

Welcome back.

My tv has been just taken to the samsung service. Soon we will check out its usefulness

I tell you more as soon as my tv will be given back.

Greetings...

[Jake79]

Hallo.

My tv has been just given back from samsung service. All in all it is hard to note any goodly improvement.

Boys from samsung told my they had done their best; they said there was no possibility to correct the tv flaws in a full range.

Take a look yourself please. (The effects of service engineer's work is almost out of sight).

Any comments...?

Greetings.