[JohnTres]

Just returning my second JVC AV28R25 Pro Logic set
because the centre speaker buzzes and the menus and teletext where out of focus. The centre speaker on the first set also buzzed - even on mute.

I'm not that keen on getting a third AV28R25.

So what should I go for now?

I'm thinking:

1. Toshiba 28Z07B, but it's ugly.
2. The new 28" 50 Hz Toshiba Strata Pro Logic. Don't know the model number - out some time in September. Unknown quantity though - no reviews.
2. Panasonic 28PL4 but it and the PL1 get a panning on here!

Or should I forget the Pro Logic fascination (don't want to bother with rear speakers and wires but want better sound than NICAM) and go for the SONY KV28LS35 which seems to suffer less in posts on here!

Budget is probably 600-700 pounds credit at local specialist (going to swap the JVC remember)

Any help is much appreciated.

John

[MartinImber]

Forget TV based Poo logic

if you want surround of any type you need an decoder & amp

[browellm]

Agreed, the built-in speakers and processing are more often than not bobbins. Just find the best possible picture quality you can for the money.

1. Forget the new Toshiba 28Z23B/26B which I think you were refering too. It's pants and the stand is absolutely crap.
2. Check out the thread on 'what to buy JVC/Philips'. The philips PW6515 has very good Virtual Dolby. I have also added a £35 Creative Labs 2:1 unit to the AV output of this TV and the sound from the subwoofer is 'awesome'.

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by JohnTres
Or should I forget the Pro Logic fascination (don't want to bother with rear speakers and wires but want better sound than NICAM) and go for the SONY KV28LS35 which seems to suffer less in posts on here!

Budget is probably 600-700 pounds credit at local specialist (going to swap the JVC remember)

KV28LS35 is well worthy of your consideration. Also worth considering is the KV28LS60, which I have had for a few months now after getting rid of the JVC AV28R25 as well - I'm very happy with it (do a search for "KV28LS60" and you'll find my review) and I think the sound is better than on the JVC (less bass, but no speaker buzz and crystal clear dialogue). The LS60 also comes with Virtual Dolby and BBE sound (like you, I don't really want extra speakers around the place).

I agree with the previous post that Philips sets also have great Virtual Dolby - just be careful which model you choose.

[JohnTres]

Originally posted by Squirrel God

KV28LS35 is well worthy of your consideration. Also worth considering is the KV28LS60, ...
... and I think the sound is better than on the JVC (less bass, but no speaker buzz and crystal clear dialogue).

What are the differences between the LS35 and LS60, I know the LS60 is 100Hz? I know the LS60 has tilt correction, do you know if the LS35 has that too? Is the sound any different?

Interesting that you say the sound is better on the Sony LS60 compared to the JVC - I thought I would have to compromise on sound if I went for another make at this price.
I too noticed that the dialogue on a couple of DVDs (especially Lord Of The Rings) was unclear - I thought I was going deaf. Ended up watching the films in NICAM.

thanks for the help

John

Originally posted by JohnTres
What are the differences between the LS35 and LS60, I know the LS60 is 100Hz? I know the LS60 has tilt correction, do you know if the LS35 has that too? Is the sound any different?

You've highlighted the main differences yourself. In terms of sound, the LS60 has BBE sound as well as Virtual Dolby, whereas the LS35 only has Virtual Dolby, so you can have a choice! The LS60 is louder and has a more powerful subwoofer than the LS35 (more watts). The LS60 has a slightly updated design as well (both to the set and the cabinet). Don't worry about the LS60 being 100Hz either - it's "plain 100Hz" (no extra digital processing). You'd be hard pushed to tell it was a 100Hz set when watching it (apart from fast, horizontal scrolling text being a little blurry - a minor price to pay if you ask me).

Originally posted by JohnTres
Interesting that you say the sound is better on the Sony LS60 compared to the JVC - I thought I would have to compromise on sound if I went for another make at this price.
I too noticed that the dialogue on a couple of DVDs (especially Lord Of The Rings) was unclear - I thought I was going deaf. Ended up watching the films in NICAM.

Yes, I had that problem with a few DVDs on the JVC as well. Obviously, the JVC had a hell of a subwoofer and the Sony can't compete with that, but there is still decent bass given out by the Sony's subwoofer (you'll get the most bass when watching with BBE Sound rather than Virtual Dolby). If you want more, your best bet is to go for an AV receiver and speakers anyway. I find it's just right for me though

Small point - You can't watch DVDs in NICAM. NICAM is the standard for analogue broadcast television only. You watched them in Stereo