[counterstrike]

I contacted Samsung UK and they said that the HD Ready Slimfit CRT TV they have coming out in May is designated as model WS32Z409T (Not CTV-32Z30)

This model will launch in May in the UK at around £500.

If you do a Google search for WS32Z409T you get a few French web pages that relate to this model number

[bu5ter]

Looks pretty nice too!!!

http://www.materiel.net/details_WS32Z409T.html

[fabbers]

Ooooh looks nice, has this got component in? Any french speakers round here?

EDIT: Google translation http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

Strong points:
Tube flat SlimFit ™ 82cm
HD READY , compatible 720p/1080i
Image processing 100Hz Natural Scan
Connector industry HDMI and component
Characteristics:
Image:
Tube 16/9 SlimFit™: 32 inches (82 cm)
100Hz Natural Scan
Format of the image: 16/9, Zoom and Wide
Numerical reducer of noise.
Presettings image: Dynamic, Standard, Cinema, Personnel
Compatible signals HD: 720p/1080i
Automatic prevention of any deformation of the image
Tuner:
European tuner multinorme
Nb of programs: 100
Function Plug and Play
Automatic installation ATS
Teletext: 750 pages
Audio:
Its: SRS TruSurround
Audio power (RMS): 2 X 10 Watts
Sound presettings: Music, Cinema, Standard, Word, Personnel
Graphic equalizer
Electronics:
System TV: STAKE B/G, D/K, I, I/I' /SECAM B/G, D/K, L/L'
Video reading: NTSC
Connector industries:
EntréeA/V (Cinch - side): 1
Entry Y/C (S-video): 1
Entry Antenna: 1
Component entry: 1
Péritel catch: 2
Entry HDMI: 1
Various:
Graphic posting with the screen: OSD
Clock, timer, programmable day before: 180 min
Power pack: AC 2ÓV, Ö/ÕHz
Consumption marche/veille: 160W/3W
Dimensions (LxHxP): 910 X 570 X 415 mm
Weight: 53,2 kg
Colour: Noir/silver
Operate by remote control: TM86

[shuzzbutt]

Not that its overpriced..... but earlier reports suggested more like £350

[fabbers]

Originally Posted by zaheer86

Not that its overpriced..... but earlier reports suggested more like £350

Even if the end price is £450 i'll be having one, Haha same price as my 24" Panasonic CRT about 5 years ago. How technology shifts.

[Ascari]

http://www.samsung.com/fr/products/t.../ws32z409t.pdf

[Eiji]

The big question is does the new Slimfit model support a 60Hz signal?

Many owners of the older model Slimfit (WS-32Z308P) found out that it doesn't support 60Hz when they tried to play their Xbox 360's at 1080i but couldn't because the 360 only outputs 720p and 1080i at 60Hz.

Originally Posted by fabbers

Ooooh looks nice, has this got component in? Any french speakers round here?

EDIT: Google translation http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

hello everyone i am havin a prob with my samsung slim fit when i switch channel on sky a blue screen comes up and it looks like its flickering but i think i can make out another channel faintly underneath the blue screen and sometimes the picture looks as if especialy on live stuff as if we are gettin trails off the moving images ie when the camera is on football players close up i would be very appreciative on any tips or advice on how to set it up without havin these probs cheers jimmy

[BYF]

Lets hope this TV can display 720p natively rather than converting it to 1080i.

Anyone know the resolution of this set?

[FlyingBig]

A little perk of interest from me and there was me thinking CRT was dead. Any other details appreciated as i have been flirting with buying a new TV for a few months but i have held off and for good reason it seems Hope its the start of May rather than the end of May.

EDIT: Just read the review for the older model and it was pretty crap to say the least. Most notably was the very poor geometry which immediately puts me off not even mentioning the loss of defination at the edges of the screen. Next!

[BYF]

ive read on some american forum that this model seems to have some geometry issues like the last one and only has 525 horizontal lines.

if it can't display a true 720p 1280x720 resolution then im not interested.

will have to be lcd then.

[Eiji]

You won't come across a CRT HDTV which natively displays 720p. Your best bet is a 'monitor' like a Princeton or Monovision. Nearly all CRT HDTVs in the US and around the world display 1080i and scale 720p to 1080i. Older models don't accept 720p at all.

[beardtm]

Ok , this may be a noob question but id like to know the answer.


Can a tv show both interlace and progressive pictures?


If this TV can do 480p and 1080i, why cant it do 1080p?


Cheers, Kev

[NicolasB]

Originally Posted by beardtm

Ok , this may be a noob question but id like to know the answer.


Can a tv show both interlace and progressive pictures?


If this TV can do 480p and 1080i, why cant it do 1080p?

If we assume we're talking about a UK TV, then it might be capable of displaying 576p at 50Hz or 1080i at 50Hz, but not 720p at 50Hz.

576p at 50Hz means 28,800 lines per second. 1080i at 50Hz means 27,000 lines per second, so it's actually slightly easier in some ways. 720p would require 36,000 lines per second. 1080p would be 54,000 lines per second.

In fact, the numbers tend to be based on american or Japanese requirements, so you're looking at 480p rather than 576p, with 60Hz refresh rates. 480p is therefore 28,800 lines per second. 1080i is 32,400 lines per second (pushing it) and 720 is 43,200 lines per second - much harder. TVs are primarily designed for 60Hz areas, which makes 720p even tougher. 1080p would be an impossible 64,800 lines per second.

It's also to do with whether you can adjust the vertical position of the beam accurately enough. In 1080i mode the scanlines from each field will probably overlap slightly with those from the previous field. This isn't a problem in interlaced mode, because each line has already dimmed down almost to zero by the time the next field is drawn, but in 1080p mode each scan-line has to be distinct from the one next to it, otherwise the overlapping area gets excited twice, making it overbright and likely to burn.

Ok, I'm not a techie either but if Samsung says it does 720p then it must do, other than for xbox owners does it matter if it is at 50 or 60hz ?

Anyway I emailed Digiuk the other day, when they get a date for stock they will let me know.

And finally after the issues with poor geometry on their first and short lived HD via component slimfit then one would assume that to release its replacement with the same issues would be unwise on many fronts.

Heres hoping that this model will take the best picture technology which we know CRT can produce coupled with a digital HDMI input and digital technology.

By the way on the american Samsung site indicates that the US model displays a maximum of 800 lines and I guess it must be the same tube that is going into the UK tv.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/S...081WHKXXAA.asp

[BYF]

I hope for the same things too, but i want 720p displayed properly. You never know maybe can do it.

otherwise its gonna be £800 odd for one of them new 32inch toshiba lcds for me

[NicolasB]

Originally Posted by mjr600

Ok, I'm not a techie either but if Samsung says it does 720p then it must do

Not necessarily. The TV may be capable of accepting a 720p input, but that doesn't mean it is actually capable of displaying a picture made up of 1280x720 individually resolvable pixels. It's quite possible that a 720p signal won't look any better on that TV than a regular, standard-definition picture does.

[Eiji]

The Samsung accepts a 720p signal but scales it to 1080i.

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by Eiji83

The Samsung accepts a 720p signal but scales it to 1080i.

I DOUBT IT... if your talking about the new model then it's highly unlikely, the best you will get is 720 lines which i do not believe for one second. if you are talking about the prev model then you are wrong. the input was not compatible with 720p and the screen was sd. the new one is the same, they are even using the same HDTV logo that is not official but means (according to them) the tv will accept various hd signals and then display them on a sd screen.
i slagged the prev model off and i'm sure when i've seen it i'll slag this one off too. the prev one had awful geometry problems... hopefully samsung will have sorted that! that in itself would be worth a new model number!!

[meath man]

id have to agree with a lot of what has been said on this site. if the new samsung does not display skys hd format correctly - whats the point of getting it. there is a very small amount of hd channels going to be offered by sky in the next year of so - so sd material would be of huge importance to me. my experience with 100 htz tvs has not been great. id compare the horrible way it displays soccer,rugby, action scenes etc to a lcd tv.
Yea its slimmer than other crts but its still way bigger than any lcd or plasma on the go.
That leaves only 2 real advantages - the price and the hdmi input. is that enough to buy a new tv? - not for me
after reading the american forum link - i dont like what im hearing about its geometry problems either.
I was very excited when the tv was first announced - but i now have a really bad feeling that its going to turn out as bad as its predecesor.
anyone agree/disagree?

[Leej]

I agree with what your saying. I was quite excited about this tv until i started reading about it. The problem i have is that my 32' 50hz phillips crt is now old and i know there is a lot better now. The wife was dreading me seeing my mates new Samsung LCD, thinking i'd buy one the next day. Wow, was i disappointed, imo the picture was terrible. So seeing this hd crt could be the answer, which only reviews and other peoples experiences will decide.

[Ascari]

Originally Posted by WillBowling

I DOUBT IT... if your talking about the new model then it's highly unlikely, the best you will get is 720 lines which i do not believe for one second. if you are talking about the prev model then you are wrong. the input was not compatible with 720p and the screen was sd. the new one is the same, they are even using the same HDTV logo that is not official but means (according to them) the tv will accept various hd signals and then display them on a sd screen.
i slagged the prev model off and i'm sure when i've seen it i'll slag this one off too. the prev one had awful geometry problems... hopefully samsung will have sorted that! that in itself would be worth a new model number!!

Panasonic Uk, Sony Uk, Hitachi Uk all use the same HD Ready logo as Samsung, what does that mean for their TV’s?

It means the following (extract from this document [PDF] on EICTA website):


(...)


4. Requirements for the label “HD ready”

A display device has to cover the following requirements to be awarded the label “HD ready”:

1. Display, display engine
   
   
   • The minimum native resolution of the display (e.g. LCD, PDP) or display
     engine (e.g. DLP) is 720 physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
   
   
   
2. Video Interfaces
   
   
   • The display device accepts HD input via:
     
     
     • Analogue YPbPr1, and
     • DVI or HDMI
     
     
   • HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
     
     
     • 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and
     • 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
     
     
   • The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)

(...)

[Eiji]

Originally Posted by WillBowling

I DOUBT IT... if your talking about the new model then it's highly unlikely, the best you will get is 720 lines which i do not believe for one second. if you are talking about the prev model then you are wrong. the input was not compatible with 720p and the screen was sd. the new one is the same, they are even using the same HDTV logo that is not official but means (according to them) the tv will accept various hd signals and then display them on a sd screen.
i slagged the prev model off and i'm sure when i've seen it i'll slag this one off too. the prev one had awful geometry problems... hopefully samsung will have sorted that! that in itself would be worth a new model number!!

You are wrong.

I'm not talking about the old model which was NOT labelled HD Ready like the new model and when I mention the new set scales 720p signals to 1080i, I don't mean the tube displays the full 1080i resolution. The only TVs that come close to resolving the full 1080i are Sony's SFP CRT HDTVs which display roughly 1400x900i.

I criticised the older model too, I suggest you do a forum search

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by Eiji83

You are wrong.

I'm not talking about the old model which was NOT labelled HD Ready like the new model and when I mention the new set scales 720p signals to 1080i, I don't mean the tube displays the full 1080i resolution. The only TVs that come close to resolving the full 1080i are Sony's SFP CRT HDTVs which display roughly 1400x900i.


I criticised the older model too, I suggest you do a forum search

i suggest you read my post and do a bit more research before you reply to me again , the older model IS labled HDTV Ready if you dont believe me then look at one and in the top right hand corner of the front facia you can clearly see their effort at decieving the public. As i mentioned in the post you quoted, their HDTV logo is something they use to say the tv can accept some hd inputs. it does not mean the tv has a hd display. the post just before yours by someone else clearly defines the OFFICIAL HD Ready logo. i am well aware of the meaning of the official and unofficial hd logos.

[WillBowling]

Originally Posted by Ascari

Panasonic Uk, Sony Uk, Hitachi Uk all use the same HD Ready logo as Samsung, what does that mean for their TV’s?

No, you are looking at the HD Ready logo which means they are officially HD tv's. i am talking about the HDTV Ready logo which is made up to make people think it is a hi def tv when in actuallity it just accepts some hd inputs and displays them on a standard def screen.

[ash]

Well at least it accepts 1080i and 720p at 50/60.

[Eiji]

Originally Posted by WillBowling

i suggest you read my post and do a bit more research before you reply to me again , the older model IS labled HDTV Ready if you dont believe me then look at one and in the top right hand corner of the front facia you can clearly see their effort at decieving the public. As i mentioned in the post you quoted, their HDTV logo is something they use to say the tv can accept some hd inputs. it does not mean the tv has a hd display. the post just before yours by someone else clearly defines the OFFICIAL HD Ready logo. i am well aware of the meaning of the official and unofficial hd logos.

You should of gone to Specsavers

I said "I'm not talking about the old model which was NOT labelled HD Ready like the new model".

Do you see the difference between "HD Ready" and "HDTV 1080i"

Have you actually seen the HDTV 1080i logo on the WS32Z308P?

[WillBowling]

i think we may be arguing a similar point here, with different angles of aproach! i did go to specsavers but unfortunately they had run out...

I'm interested in this set too. Will it still display a good quality picture over component inputs which are not HD? ie I have a component out Freeview box and component out satellite receiver and DVD player all connected to a Denon 1905 which switches between the three. I currently get a fantastic quality picture from all three into a Toshiba 36ZP48 but I've sold my home cinema set up with the house as we're moving to the Isle of Man soon. I am interested in this tv as it looks like it will give a degree of future proofing.