[inchindown]

I'm thinking of replacing my 60 inch Bravia with a 3D TV. This would mean I have to also get a new amp and a new bluray player. I would end up spending around 2 to 2.5K on the kit and a lot of hassle changing over the amp as it is built in to my AV system.

So my question is this. Is 3D, as it is currently constituted, here for the long term? I really don't want to be forking out for a new 3D system only for it to become obsolete in the near future. Is there something in the pipeline coming along to replace 3D. Or is it that 3D will never really grab a big enough part of the market that it will just die a death anyway. Or am I worrying unnecessarily and 3D is the best thing since sliced bread?

Any insight will be much appreciated.

Thanks.

[JamesP1701]

I guess it's more a question of do you like 3D?

I bought a Panasonic VT30 last year. The top model came with 3D but that was an added extra. I have never sat and watched a full film in 3D. It jut doesn't add anything for me.

[logiciel]

It's just another feature and you can take it or leave it, but there's no point in avoiding it.
You don't need to change any other device just because you've got a 3D TV, certainly not the amp, and they often come with a 3D BR player thrown in anyway.

[Frozencat]

Yea, it is here to stay. It won't be obsolete. It might not take off, in the way they want, but its there. And I think its only going to grow, slowly that is. Sports in 3d is pretty rad.

Make sure you test active versus passive for yourself at some shop. If you're interested in 3d gaming, its very cool.

[inchindown]

Originally Posted by logiciel

It's just another feature and you can take it or leave it, but there's no point in avoiding it.
You don't need to change any other device just because you've got a 3D TV, certainly not the amp, and they often come with a 3D BR player thrown in anyway.

My Amp does not support HDMi 1.4. That is why I thought I would need a new Amp. Are you saying that my older Amp will still be able to pass 3D data through to the TV?

The 3D player is not such an issue at the moment as I have a PS3. But I prefer to have a dedicated 3D Player. They tend to have more features and I don't have to keep swapping discs between games and movies.

[postmaster]

I have a 3d tv and a non 3d amplifier. I bought a 3d blu-ray player that has two HDMI connections. One of these is an audio return channel (ARC) so I can relay 3d sound and vision to the tv through the amplifier.

[coops233]

Originally Posted by inchindown

My Amp does not support HDMi 1.4. That is why I thought I would need a new Amp. Are you saying that my older Amp will still be able to pass 3D data through to the TV?

The 3D player is not such an issue at the moment as I have a PS3. But I prefer to have a dedicated 3D Player. They tend to have more features and I don't have to keep swapping discs between games and movies.

Your old Amp will not support 3D, you will have to connect direct to TV. I had the same problem, I can't justify replacing my Amp as it cost a bomb.

[logiciel]

Originally Posted by inchindown

My Amp does not support HDMi 1.4. That is why I thought I would need a new Amp. Are you saying that my older Amp will still be able to pass 3D data through to the TV?

No, that doesn't make a new amp necessary. Some 3D sources will pass through the video, others won't, but it doesn't matter as you can always put the video direct to the TV.

[Frozencat]

3d is here to stay the same reason it here to stay in the cinemas, they can charge a premium for it.

Only problem is, theres not TV that has gotten 3d right. LG comes the closest with their passive tech, but their TV's are fatally flawed, and their 3d doesn't handle 3d blu rays very well on a consistent basis.

The rest is active, and mostly pointless. So 3d might be here, but best to wait for TV set that can do it without annoying you, and right now that TV doesn't exist. As much as I like 3d, mostly for gaming, its not the right time to buy a 3d set, since they're all very flawed. Maybe the new sharp or another brand will remedy this, but I don't know if a good 3d LED will come out anytime this year.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by Frozencat

LG comes the closest with their passive tech, but their TV's are fatally flawed, and their 3d doesn't handle 3d blu rays very well on a consistent basis.

That's a rather strong statement isn't it!

What do you mean they're "fatally flawed"

..and what does "their 3d doesn't handle 3d blu rays very well on a consistent basis" mean

[postmaster]

My active shutter 3d tv is anything but pointless and flawed. It provides a superb picture. Whether watching sport,Wimbledon was great, tv or blu-rays 3d has added a fascinating extra dimension to my viewing. Agreed it is not yet perfect but it is improving all the time and with Toshiba showing that glasses free 3d is possible I think there are exciting times head for the technology.

[daredevill]

Well I like 3D thats why I have a 3D plasma and a 3D projector for BIG movies ! I hope it stays.

[paulmcp2403]

it now seen as an industry standard along the same lines as 1080p, and freeview DVT tuners etc...I think I agree with most comments...it here to stay but NO ONE will force you to use it....it simply another gadget on your tv....I think that is what annoys so many of us....we cant understand the hatred for 3d.....as I said to my mate...if you dont like it....dont watch it....easy as that.

For instance my wife mentioned in her work to a group of people we had a bought a new 3d projector….she said the reaction was almost pure hatred from some people….one person actually leaned over to her and shouted “I F’ing hate 3D”…sad but true. She said it was interesting to note that many of them had actually never seen a 3d movie…but they hated it ????

[Goooner]

Originally Posted by postmaster

My active shutter 3d tv is anything but pointless and flawed. It provides a superb picture. Whether watching sport,Wimbledon was great, tv or blu-rays 3d has added a fascinating extra dimension to my viewing. Agreed it is not yet perfect but it is improving all the time and with Toshiba showing that glasses free 3d is possible I think there are exciting times head for the technology.

This. I can take or leave 3D to be honest, but I can't fault the way my TV handles it when I do watch it, either TV or BD.

[Frozencat]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

That's a rather strong statement isn't it!

What do you mean they're "fatally flawed"

..and what does "their 3d doesn't handle 3d blu rays very well on a consistent basis" mean

Well, just read the forums man. There's page after page, of people spelling out all the problems with the LM line, with both the 2d picture, the 3d picture, and problems with gaming.

And yes, LG's passive 3d doesn't handle certain 3d blu rays that well at all. If i'm not mistaken its down to certain format types, certainly it doesn't handle 24p well at all, according to everyone who owns it. There have been topics, on these forums btw, that every single LM owner was returning their set, and every single LM owner was in agreement that the LM line is generally garbage.

Just got in the LG forum page, right here, and check it out. Hell, they even have a topic called something to the effect of " No doubt about it, LG is garbage".

So if you want a passive TV set, LG provides a good solution with the LM line, but its too bad this line is a complete failure in so many other regards.

So you have to choose between good 3d along with a crap TV, or a good TV along with crap 3d. there is no in between.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by Frozencat

So you have to choose between good 3d along with a crap TV, or a good TV along with crap 3d. there is no in between.

Don't own anything from the LM series so can't comment directly.

I do own one of LG's earliest passives though and that's quite superb (other than quite mild case of banding which I barely notice). It handles both 3D and 24Hz playback very well.

As such I have serious difficulty in believing technology is regressive (meaning newer sets aren't as good as early ones )

[Penfold1]

I'm looking to purchase a new TV in the next couple of months and it will most likely have 3D even though I don't really want/need it. But I have a 1.3 hdmi amp (sony str-da2400es), that I don't want to change. So, do 3D TV's have a none audio return input that I could use to connect to the amp in the same way as a 2D TV?

Cheers

[logiciel]

That depends on what you mean by "a none audio return input".
If you get a 3D BR player you'll probably find that its 3D video won't pass properly through the amp, so you'll need to connect it by HDMI direct to the TV for that. You can then connect it to the amp for audio by optical or some other method. Other 3D sources such as satellite receivers will pass through the video in the normal way.

[Penfold1]

Apologies as I'm useless at this stuff.

Ar present I have my sky+hd, PS3 and XBox connected to the amp and then the amp to the TV. So I get HD sound from all sources.

If I bought a 3DTV and connected everything the same way using the same 1.3 hdmi leads,would it still all work for everything as it does now except 3D viewing which I wouldn't be using anyway?

[Scooby2000]

Originally Posted by Penfold1

Apologies as I'm useless at this stuff.

Ar present I have my sky+hd, PS3 and XBox connected to the amp and then the amp to the TV. So I get HD sound from all sources.

If I bought a 3DTV and connected everything the same way using the same 1.3 hdmi leads,would it still all work for everything as it does now except 3D viewing which I wouldn't be using anyway?

Yes, it just won't pass 3D, 2D will be fine....just to add for those who may want to use the 3D, you don't need a 1.4 compatible cable, you just need a high speed cable, 1.2 1.3 1.4 is what a cable supports, chances are your existing cable is high speed unless really old, certainly try before buying another lead.

Penfold it would be an idea to get a player with two HDMI out if you do ever fancy 3D, this will mean you can use your existing AV.

[QuestShield]

Originally Posted by paulmcp2403

it now seen as an industry standard along the same lines as 1080p, and freeview DVT tuners etc...I think I agree with most comments...it here to stay but NO ONE will force you to use it....it simply another gadget on your tv....I think that is what annoys so many of us....we cant understand the hatred for 3d.....as I said to my mate...if you dont like it....dont watch it....easy as that.

For instance my wife mentioned in her work to a group of people we had a bought a new 3d projector….she said the reaction was almost pure hatred from some people….one person actually leaned over to her and shouted “I F’ing hate 3D”…sad but true. She said it was interesting to note that many of them had actually never seen a 3d movie…but they hated it ????

Yes it's almost not fashionable to mention the fact you have a 3D TV, people seem to hate 3D based on seeing, I don't know, Clash of the Titans years ago on the big screen. However last night I looked at Flying Monsters and it is superb in 3D on my 50" ST30, really engrossing and you know what? I'd like to do an attic conversion and add a 3D projector because 3D is here to stay.

[Penfold1]

Originally Posted by Scooby2000

Yes, it just won't pass 3D, 2D will be fine....just to add for those who may want to use the 3D, you don't need a 1.4 compatible cable, you just need a high speed cable, 1.2 1.3 1.4 is what a cable supports, chances are your existing cable is high speed unless really old, certainly try before buying another lead.

Penfold it would be an idea to get a player with two HDMI out if you do ever fancy 3D, this will mean you can use your existing AV.

Thanks Scooby

[logiciel]

Originally Posted by Penfold1

Ar present I have my sky+hd, PS3 and XBox connected to the amp and then the amp to the TV. So I get HD sound from all sources.
If I bought a 3DTV and connected everything the same way using the same 1.3 hdmi leads,would it still all work for everything as it does now except 3D viewing which I wouldn't be using anyway?

So the devices are connected to the amp by HDMI, and the amp to the TV by HDMI?
That means that you're NOT getting "HD sound" from the Sky machine.
When programmes on Sky carry 5:1 audio the machine does not output that on the HDMI socket.
To get it into the amp you also need to connect an optical or co-ax digital audio cable from Sky machine to amp.
You then need to specify that the amp gives preference to the optical or co-ax, over the HDMI audio.
Alternatively you could connect the Sky machine direct to the TV by HDMI, and connect it to the amp as well by the digital cable.

That's right, it would make no difference to anything that the new TV was a 3D model.
Only if you did want to play 3D BR discs would you have to connect the player direct to the TV by HDMI, and to the amp by a different method for the audio.

[Penfold1]

Originally Posted by logiciel

So the devices are connected to the amp by HDMI, and the amp to the TV by HDMI?
That means that you're NOT getting "HD sound" from the Sky machine.
When programmes on Sky carry 5:1 audio the machine does not output that on the HDMI socket.
To get it into the amp you also need to connect an optical or co-ax digital audio cable from Sky machine to amp.
You then need to specify that the amp gives preference to the optical or co-ax, over the HDMI audio.
Alternatively you could connect the Sky machine direct to the TV by HDMI, and connect it to the amp as well by the digital cable.

That's right, it would make no difference to anything that the new TV was a 3D model.
Only if you did want to play 3D BR discs would you have to connect the player direct to the TV by HDMI, and to the amp by a different method for the audio.

Sorry I forgot, I do have the Sky+HD box conneted via HDMI and optical to get HD sound (a blue light shows up on the amp to show when HD is working).

Looks like I need to start my reseach now for a decent 47 inch telly. Hopefully there's some threads on here where people have switched from Plasma to LED as the plasma screen sizes seem to jump from 42 inch to 50 inch and 50 inch is just too big.