[geralt]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

Any passive can handle dual play - although it will be game dependent remember.

Interestingly, I've yet to hear of a single issue in that department - although admittedly early days.

Thanks , that's promising . Currently on my 3rd lg lm620t due to banding and trying to decide what to swap to . Plus as the 47" is £350 more I'm very nervous at having the same problem all over again.

[Pepp77]

Originally Posted by geralt

Thanks , that's promising . Currently on my 3rd lg lm620t due to banding and trying to decide what to swap to . Plus as the 47" is £350 more I'm very nervous at having the same problem all over again.

Check out this thread

Any info on the Panasonic TXL47ET5???

I think people have mentioned banding. I have the 42" and haven't seen it, but then I have also looked at videos online of people saying they have recorded banding and not been able to see anything.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

Interestingly, I've yet to hear of a single issue in that department - although admittedly early days.

Originally Posted by Pepp77

Check out this thread

Any info on the Panasonic TXL47ET5???

Whoops - missed that thread

[skyjuice]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

Whoops - missed that thread

Well fella you have a whole weekend for the read up

[loz]

Is there any way to make the web browser display full screen without its own scroll bars?

I was disappointed to see that the youtube player doesn't provide access to all the quality settings that youtube provides. Though it claims to show 'HD' videos, the quality is poor and clearly isn't selecting the highest quality stream available for the video.

When I compare the same video through the built in youtube player compared to via my laptop, then the quality is much poorer because whilst I can select a 1080p version on the laptop it seems like the version via the TV is only 480p

This is unfortunate as there is some useful 3D content on youtube, but you can't get to see it at its best quality.

For example, I was looking at

Panasonic 3D1 3D Test Video: A Trip to Union Square NYC in Springtime - YouTube

as I was interested in the Panasonic 3D1 camera, but I can't watch it at the best quality via the web browser as you can't remove the scroll bars and it refuses to switch into 3D mode.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by loz

For example, I was looking at as I was interested in the Panasonic 3D1 camera, but I can't watch it at the best quality via the web browser as you can't remove the scroll bars and it refuses to switch into 3D mode.

In all honesty you didn't miss much and if that video quality is anything to go by then it's no match for the Sony Bloggie 3D.

Intriguingly, I played that clip on all 3 of my media players and the worst performing was the Panasonic DMP-BDT110 although it did at least manage it full-screen

[loz]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

In all honesty you didn't miss much and if that video quality is anything to go by then it's no match for the Sony Bloggie 3D.

It may be the Sony Bloggie 3D is a better camera, but I would never know that if I relied on the TV's built in youtube player or web browser - and that was my point.

I can see that the web browser does offer me higher quality youtube streams, but because of the scroll bars on the browser I can't watch them in 3D.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by loz

I can see that the web browser does offer me higher quality youtube streams, but because of the scroll bars on the browser I can't watch them in 3D.

I'm just guessing but is it not a case of just hitting 'enter' once the video display is highlighted (that's the case for one of my players).

Otherwise, it's seems mighty odd that Panasonic have degraded their youtube app. (I think your TV is newer than my player)

[loz]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

I'm just guessing but is it not a case of just hitting 'enter' once the video display is highlighted (that's the case for one of my players).

Otherwise, it's seems mighty odd that Panasonic have degraded their youtube app. (I think your TV is newer than my player)

No. The youtube app does play full screen, but doesn't give access to the highest quality streams. In fact there is no option to select any other quality setting other than the one presented. (unlike youtube's website)

Whereas the web browser allows you to select the higher quality youtube streams like 1080p, but doesn't play them full screen as it has a set of scroll bars and a menu bar with home, back, etc, around the browser that I can't see any way to remove. Consequently, it won't play the content in the browser in 3D.

[stretcher]

Sometimes I think too much about making a choice -and this is a classic example. So I decided I WOULD go for the Panasonic TXL42ET5B having found, for me, a deal I was happy with from Richer Sounds.

£799 + free 5 yr warranty; the deal was also supposed to include a BD Panasonic DMP-BDT120, but they were out of stock, so for and extra £30 I got the upgraded BDT220. And they refunded my £1 parking

This replaces a Samsung 32" which will have a new home in the front room, and so far, I have absolutely no complaints at all. Bright, clear pictures, no artifacts or smearing (yet) and the 3D is pretty impressive on BD.

So I now have a passive 3D to complement my active 3d Panasonic PTAE5000 projector

Still, the idea is to have something for whole family that's easy to use every day - and it won't be the end of the world if my 6 year old breaks the cheapo specs either.

[loz]

Originally Posted by stretcher

Sometimes I think too much about making a choice -and this is a classic example. So I decided I WOULD go for the Panasonic TXL42ET5B having found, for me, a deal I was happy with from Richer Sounds.

£799 + free 5 yr warranty; the deal was also supposed to include a BD Panasonic DMP-BDT120, but they were out of stock, so for and extra £30 I got the upgraded BDT220. And they refunded my £1 parking

I bought mine on the same deal - though with the BDT120 as they did have it in stock.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by loz

I bought mine on the same deal - though with the BDT120 as they did have it in stock.

I have the BDT110

How would you say 2D->3D performs in comparison to the TV ?

Also, is LoveFilm on this yet ?

[loz]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

I have the BDT110

How would you say 2D->3D performs in comparison to the TV ?

Also, is LoveFilm on this yet ?

I haven't tried

And must say I have little interest in doing so, as every bit of 2D>3D i have seen and tried as been an epic fail IMO. I have yet to see one conversion that it or any TV I have looked at get it right, with foreground objects placed in the background and vice versa. I looked at a Samsung demo and it was doing things like placing everything red in the foreground, regardless of where it should have been...

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by loz

And must say I have little interest in doing so, as every bit of 2D>3D i have seen and tried as been an epic fail IMO. I have yet to see one conversion that it or any TV I have looked at get it right, with foreground objects placed in the background and vice versa. I looked at a Samsung demo and it was doing things like placing everything red in the foreground, regardless of where it should have been...

You should do as Panasonic and Samsung use different conversion systems.

Panasonic is a gentle conversion which only creates depth and little else but has the redeeming feature of never getting it wrong (the reasoning being that your brain does most of the wok anyway).

Samsung creates a much stronger conversion, which is generally pretty good, but the downside is you can end up with a headache since it can also make mistakes (often showing as cross-talk etc)

[loz]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

You should do as Panasonic and Samsung use different conversion systems.

Panasonic is a gentle conversion which only creates depth and little else but has the redeeming feature of never getting it wrong (the reasoning being that your brain does most of the wok anyway).

Samsung creates a much stronger conversion, which is generally pretty good, but the downside is you can end up with a headache since it can also make mistakes (often showing as cross-talk etc)

I have tried the Panasonic conversion. I was just referring to a specific Samsung error.

The Panasonic conversion was just as pants IMO.
I looked at one the other day, and the things you meant to see though a window were all placed at the front, whilst the wall with the windows was placed at the rear. Garbage.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by loz

I have tried the Panasonic conversion. I was just referring to a specific Samsung error.

The Panasonic conversion was just as pants IMO.
I looked at one the other day, and the things you meant to see though a window were all placed at the front, whilst the wall with the windows was placed at the rear. Garbage.

I have to say, picking up on another thread, it reads to me like you have eye correction reversed (left/right) as I can't fault the Panasonic (apart from the 3D appearing rather weak). Portraits look well rounded and life-like for example on the default settings.

I gather you have a Panasonic passive so would expect it to be reasonably impressive (eye & 3D perception issues aside of course).

[loz]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

I have to say, picking up on another thread, it reads to me like you have eye correction reversed (left/right) as I can't fault the Panasonic (apart from the 3D appearing rather weak).

Settings are fine, and I can (fault it, that is)

[Yahooimhere]

My dad brought the PANASONIC TX-L47ET5B for his birthday so i was wondering what the best setup for it or why on the forum i can find out about it, also we got the panasonic dmp bdt22 bluray player as well, got them through john lewis . New to the forum so hoping to get some help would be appreciated.

Thanks everyrone

[dan1210]

Originally Posted by geralt

If this is an LG panel does it suffer the same banding issues? That's a deal breaker.

yes! i had the 42 and was quite pleased with it but i thought i might like it a little bigger so took it back and got the 47, big mistake! the 47 is nowhere near as sharp with hd the colour seems patchy and the dreaded banding was instantly noticeable! im hoping to swap it back for the 42, all in all its a good tv in 42" but its problems are limited to the technology for me the 42" offers a better picture.

[Rojo Habe]

My TV should arrive today. I've been looking at the PDF copy of the manual on the Panny website and found a scary bit entitled "Preventing the TV from falling over". Does this TV need to be screwed down? That could be a problem since my stand is glass.

Have they really made the pedestal too small or are they just covering themselves for legal reasons.

[mick500]

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in to the debate about the resolution of passive 3d, I had a Samsung 51 inch active 3d plasma and I can confirm that the resolution difference is quite noticeable , I just picked up the et5 and it is nowhere near as sharp, it looks like 720p. Earlier comments explaining 540 lines + depth perception etc make perfect sense to me, and no matter how you slice it active provides full HD where passive doesn't and there is a difference in quality. I'm not gonna pretend to myself that there isn't a difference just because I now own a passive set. However the samsung did give me a headache after viewing 3d for any length of time where this one doesn't ... yet. However if I was going for image quality, I would go with active all day everyday.

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by mick500

....and no matter how you slice it active provides full HD where passive doesn't and there is a difference in quality.

It's not as simple as that Mick.

Assuming we're talking blu-rays then I don't think you'll find too many people who wouldn't accept it looks sharper on the active (everything else being equal of course).

It's a mighty complex issue but put very simply - every pixel on the passive TV is only seen by one eye whereas with active it's seen by both eyes (albeit not at the same time) - hence you'd expect to see a difference.

However, even if it may look less sharp, the passive TV is still capable of resolving a single line in 3D (fairly easy to demonstrate from previous posts in this thread) and for that reason can still be called Full HD.

Also, remember the discussion becomes irrelevant once you move away from blu-rays.

Enjoy your new TV

[bonzobanana]

Originally Posted by mick500

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in to the debate about the resolution of passive 3d, I had a Samsung 51 inch active 3d plasma and I can confirm that the resolution difference is quite noticeable , I just picked up the et5 and it is nowhere near as sharp, it looks like 720p. Earlier comments explaining 540 lines + depth perception etc make perfect sense to me, and no matter how you slice it active provides full HD where passive doesn't and there is a difference in quality. I'm not gonna pretend to myself that there isn't a difference just because I now own a passive set. However the samsung did give me a headache after viewing 3d for any length of time where this one doesn't ... yet. However if I was going for image quality, I would go with active all day everyday.

The reason you got headaches is the active set only displays an image to one eye at a time. A completely un-natural way for humans to perceive images and the main cause of headaches with active sets. I just wanted to point this out because to me full hd 3D is maintaining a 1080p image to both eyes simultanously something neither passive or active does currently but passive will do in the future. You might prefer the higher resolution of active shutter but its clear your brain is not happy with the lack of a consistent image being received.

[mick500]

Yeah, I'm just talking image quality and what looks better, not what I find to be my preferred choice necessarily, and for gaming this TV is awesome. So I'm more than happy to trade off a little in the 3d department and to be honest me and the fiancee actually plan on watching some 3d movies on this one where we simply couldn't watch more than a half hour at a time with the other so yeah.

[chris16v]

i have had my et5 for 6 weeks now and just wondered if anyone else agrees with my points below:

• If watching sky sports news, i can see the sky sports news on-screen info windows and info ticker appear to constanty vibrate up and down a little bit. Visually confirmed by pressing viera tools menu button and looking at the screen in the background compared to the static menu display in the foreground. I feel like its giving me a headache. Does anyone else suffer this?
• The 3D image is quite weak (in terms of depth.). yes i have adjusted it to increase the depth.
• If playing from a 3D blu-ray source (disk and player), the image in 3D mode blurs on the left and right edges of the screen following the bezel. I am sat head on, the 2.5m from the screen and at the correct height. This might have something to do with point one.

I suspect there to be an issue with my screen. Can any one comment on this or check their sky sports news, as a quick test.

thanks

[Jason Shouler]

Originally Posted by chris16v

I am sat head on, the 2.5m from the screen and at the correct height. This might have something to do with point one.

Why do you say that ?

I was actually going to suggest you might be viewing off centre vertical until you made that comment - as I think it would produce the effects you mention.

I've never heard of it happening but suppose you might just have a misaligned polariser. If that's the case then you should notice the 3D improves if you move below or above centre but if it looks best dead central vertical then it's most likely OK.

[chris16v]

Originally Posted by Jason Shouler

I've never heard of it happening but suppose you might just have a misaligned polariser. .

i can imagine telling john lewis support "yes i have a misaligned polariser". LOL. maybe.....
I hope it is something like that. I say "hope" cos if there is nothing wrong with the TV then i dont think i can live with the constant mini movement (vibration) of the picture, i am sure its give me sore eyes.

can someone do a Sky Sports news test, checking the broadcasted on-screen info boxes against the Panny on screen display in the foreground. I can clearly see my screen rapidly moving up and down slightly, like the broadcast image is wobbling. no i am not going mad

[loz]

Originally Posted by chris16v

can someone do a Sky Sports news test, checking the broadcasted on-screen info boxes against the Panny on screen display in the foreground. I can clearly see my screen rapidly moving up and down slightly, like the broadcast image is wobbling. no i am not going mad

SSN Looks absolutely rock solid to me. With or without the Panny OSD.

Are you saying it is specific to SSN? Is Sky News the same?

Are you watching HD or SD?

[mrflatout]

Originally Posted by chris16v

i have had my et5 for 6 weeks now and just wondered if anyone else agrees with my points below:

• If watching sky sports news, i can see the sky sports news on-screen info windows and info ticker appear to constanty vibrate up and down a little bit. Visually confirmed by pressing viera tools menu button and looking at the screen in the background compared to the static menu display in the foreground. I feel like its giving me a headache. Does anyone else suffer this?
• The 3D image is quite weak (in terms of depth.). yes i have adjusted it to increase the depth.
• If playing from a 3D blu-ray source (disk and player), the image in 3D mode blurs on the left and right edges of the screen following the bezel. I am sat head on, the 2.5m from the screen and at the correct height. This might have something to do with point one.

I suspect there to be an issue with my screen. Can any one comment on this or check their sky sports news, as a quick test.

thanks

I can't confirm your sky tv issues but i will say the depth on the 3d on this tv is equal to the lg passive sets ( as i have had 3 of those first lol), try and get the LG 3d demo with the underwater scene, there a scene where a large seacod (i think it's called) turns to the camera and it comes out so far that i could almost touch it. if you sit a bit closer its a bit imposing ha ha. Try puss in boots 3d it is a good film to show the 3d on this set ( i use it to set the depth etc). If you want a passive tv i would steer clear of the lm620's they are so bad for motion (football etc and banding its unreal).

[mrflatout]

Originally Posted by chris16v

i have had my et5 for 6 weeks now and just wondered if anyone else agrees with my points below:

• If watching sky sports news, i can see the sky sports news on-screen info windows and info ticker appear to constanty vibrate up and down a little bit. Visually confirmed by pressing viera tools menu button and looking at the screen in the background compared to the static menu display in the foreground. I feel like its giving me a headache. Does anyone else suffer this?
• The 3D image is quite weak (in terms of depth.). yes i have adjusted it to increase the depth.
• If playing from a 3D blu-ray source (disk and player), the image in 3D mode blurs on the left and right edges of the screen following the bezel. I am sat head on, the 2.5m from the screen and at the correct height. This might have something to do with point one.

I suspect there to be an issue with my screen. Can any one comment on this or check their sky sports news, as a quick test.

thanks

I can't confirm your sky tv issues but i will say the depth on the 3d on this tv is equal to the lg passive sets ( as i have had 3 of those first lol), try and get the LG 3d demo with the underwater scene, there a scene where a large seacod (i think it's called) turns to the camera and it comes out so far that i could almost touch it. if you sit a bit closer its a bit imposing ha ha. Try puss in boots 3d it is a good film to show the 3d on this set ( i use it to set the depth etc). If you want a passive tv i would steer clear of the lm620's they are so bad for motion (football etc and banding its unreal).