[adrianwright]

Originally Posted by eye of ra

As I understand it the idea is the bigger the number between the 2 numbers for each eye the better, perfect would be not being able to see any numbers therefore being infinite.

So in my case

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 2
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 3
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

There is a difference of only 1 and 2 meaning a lot of light is getting through.

To be honest I was expecting better than this, explains why I cant used 3D on anything with dark scenes. I know my old Panny did much better at crosstalk than my current Sammy so would love to see the figures for this.

Also if other Sammy owners are getting much better results I will know I have a problem.

Hi eye or ra,

Sorry to hear about the issues with the 63C7000, although I believe I am suffering the same.

Even thinking of getting this swapped out for the Panasoinc VT 50". I have not watched one movie / demo disc without experiencing the dreaded ghosting / crosstalk effect.

Can anyone with the Panasonic who has also seen the Samsung in action offer any advice please?

[popyto]

sammy 6900

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 4
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 15
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 4
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 15

3003 firmware had only minor gosting so far

[Nanite]

Originally Posted by popyto

sammy 6900
3003 firmware had only minor gosting so far

Great score. Thats a bit odd since 6900 should be the same as 7000 only one filter film layer missing from the panel.

Finjogis 3d_crosstalk_test_02.wmv test results:
First one is from USB stick, second one is from HTPC with different 3D settings.
Red 24/29 %
Green 25/35 %
Blue 10/10 %

The glasses 'black' state transparency plays some role in this. I tried to look trough two sets of glasses. The image goes too dim as seen with the 20 score but can reach to 'Nothing' with other eye.
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 20
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> NOTHING

But I have a feeling that there is some timing prob in firmware with 7xx0 Samsungs. I wish there was still somebody with v3000.6 firmware. I think the crosstalk was much better with this fw.

[adrianwright]

Originally Posted by Nanite

But I have a feeling that there is some timing prob in firmware with 7xx0 Samsungs. I wish there was still somebody with v3000.6 firmware. I think the crosstalk was much better with this fw.

Is there any news of a newer firmware which will erdicate most of these crosstalk / ghosting issues?

[Nanite]

Samsung doesnt publish anything about their upcoming firmwares afaik. I dont think any TV manufacturers do so.

Samsung firmware changelog lack a lot of information. It mentions features that were added to the LCD models on plasma changelog, new firmwares has had the same changelog that was in two previous versions etc...

Just created this thread on the US forums, lets see what results are posted there.

[the boots man]

I've got the samsung 680 and with sky 3d i'm seeing hardly any crosstalk at all, but with 3d blu rays and SBS files i'm getting crosstalk in near enough every scene, also on ps3 games the crosstalk is bad.

[popyto]

Originally Posted by Nanite

Great score. Thats a bit odd since 6900 should be the same as 7000 only one filter film layer missing from the panel.

not sure if it matters but checked manufacture date which was october maybe somethings been tweeked in newer models. as far as I was aware the sammy plasmas are alled pretty much the same panels its just the little things like freeview hd and internet apps that differ from the newer chreaper 680s. be interesting to see manufacture dates of the sammys struggling to see if they are older?

[eye of ra]

@adrianwright

My advise would be it depends on your priorities. Had The Panasonic 50VT20 and I wouldn’t go back, but that’s because 50hz TV is more important to me than 3D.

If 3d and BD is your priority and TV, especially sport, is not your priority go for the Panasonic. If you watch a lot of TV and 3D is a just a bonus stick with the Sammy

[adrianwright]

Originally Posted by eye of ra

@adrianwright

My advise would be it depends on your priorities. Had The Panasonic 50VT20 and I wouldn’t go back, but that’s because 50hz TV is more important to me than 3D.

If 3d and BD is your priority and TV, especially sport, is not your priority go for the Panasonic. If you watch a lot of TV and 3D is a just a bonus stick with the Sammy

Thanks for that. I hardly watch any standard TV except for CBBC and Cbeebies. I only watch DVD, BD and 3D BD. Does the Panasonic exhibit less crosstalk / ghosting than the Samsung.

Amazon are in the process of arranging to swap my 63C7000 for another unit. If this one is the same, I am going the refund route and getting the smaller Panasonic

[eye of ra]

Not sure this is the right tread for this, but if you’re not interested in TV or $ky the panny IMO is better than the Sammy and much better for 3D crosstalk.

DVD could be an issue as it will probably be 50hz and IR I found a lot worse on the Panny.

In most respects I have found the Sammy to be almost as good as the Panny and the important ones for me better, which is why I am probably going to keep this one.

[Nanite]

I got the Xpand X103 universal glasses from Amazon and they are much better (not perfect) than the original ones! I have about the same result in the crosstalk test with these but the bleeding is much dimmer. More proof that this test doesnt tell the truth about the overall 3D performance.

In practice there is less crosstalk. It feels that 95% of the irritating crosstalk is gone. Even the samples from Valentines Day works now. Crosstalk is still there but its so much dimmer that it doesnt destroy the 3D effect.

The glasses are also bit brighter and has less color tint in the 'open' state. They are also as comfortable as the original Samsung ones.

Only minor con is that the glasses has some glare on the corners, they reflect light from behind you.

Here are some pics of them. Original Samsung on the left.

[$$Buck-Naked$$]

Would using a HDMI 1.4 cable through a HDMI 1.4 receiver reduce Crosstalk compared to using a HDMI 1.3 cable? Because I'm getting pretty bad Crosstalk with GT5, Motorstorm and CoD Black Ops

[Nanite]

No the HDMI cable doesnt affect the crosstalk. What TV do you have?

[RenaultSport]

Originally Posted by Nanite

I got the Xpand X103 universal glasses from Amazon and they are much better (not perfect) than the original ones! I have about the same result in the crosstalk test with these but the bleeding is much dimmer. More proof that this test doesnt tell the truth about the overall 3D performance.

In practice there is less crosstalk. It feels that 95% of the irritating crosstalk is gone. Even the samples from Valentines Day works now. Crosstalk is still there but its so much dimmer that it doesnt destroy the 3D effect.

The glasses are also bit brighter and has less color tint in the 'open' state. They are also as comfortable as the original Samsung ones.

Only minor con is that the glasses has some glare on the corners, they reflect light from behind you.

Here are some pics of them. Original Samsung on the left.

Do you have a link? I can't seem to find them

[Nanite]

Originally Posted by RenaultSport

Do you have a link? I can't seem to find them

The product was just released less than a month ago so only available from US Amazon atm.
Amazon.com: Xpand Universal X103 3D Glasses Compatible with Active 3D TV's, Black: Electronics

[joogrr]

Interesting. Maybe these glasses would help reduce ghosting on my PS50C680 set. Everybody keeps saying it's a great TV, but I still get ghosting during dark scenes in movies.

[Nanite]

'Frank' from US forums created a .MPO file of the image from the video which can be downloaded here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/testpattern.mpo
The side by side jpeg can be downloaded here:
http://3dfrank.com/testpattern.jpg

You can play .MPO 3D picture files with PS3 'Play Memories' program available free from PSN.
Panasonic plasmas can play this from memory stick.

Results from the .mpo files played with PS3 'Play Memories' 3D pic gallery app.
This can be treated as results with frame packed material as the PS3 app puts the TV in 'proper 3D mode' same as used with the 3D Bluray movies.
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 10
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 10
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

Results are the same with both 720p/60Hz and 1080p/24Hz.
Much better compared to side-by-side material 2-3 vs 10. There seems to be room for improvement in timings with Samsung plasmas in sbs mode.

[guest]

Originally Posted by the boots man

I've got the samsung 680 and with sky 3d i'm seeing hardly any crosstalk at all, but with 3d blu rays and SBS files i'm getting crosstalk in near enough every scene, also on ps3 games the crosstalk is bad.

I think the SBS depends allot on the encode...

I have seen the same sample file ripped and encoded by different people look very different with the crosstalk..

with 3D blu-ray and have only seen it on monster house on a couple of scenes.. I dont get any with the Black ops on the xbox...

I am not sure how valid the side by side test is if there is not a standard for SBS.. Sky do it there way using there encoding methods and internet trailers etc do it there own way....

I am not sure that you can compare the blu-ray crosstalk to the SBS crosstalk because of the different factors involved?

Just my thoughts and ramblings

[parallax33]

Samsung 50C7000 Plasma

Ive been testing some settings that seem to be working well for me. Details below:

Standard Settings:
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 3
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 3
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

Modified Settings:
Cell Light: 2
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 70
Sharpness: 80
Color: 80
ADVANCED SETTINGS:
Black Tone: Darkest
Dynamic Contrast: High
Gamma: +1
PICTURE OPTIONS:
Color Tone: Cool
Hdmi Black Level: Normal

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 11 (15 is clearly visible)
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 11 (15 is clearly visible)
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

I think this is a big improvement, but the most noticeable result is that there is no background glare and confusion from the image.

[parallax33]

anyone got results from the Panasonic? Would be good to see how the settings compare...

[simongwynne]

well that's a big difference. I'll give the settings a try later on.

[Nanite]

Originally Posted by parallax33

anyone got results from the Panasonic? Would be good to see how the settings compare...

You should edit your post to include the TV model.
Some results from panasonic 2010 owners, there is only one GT20 result so need more for it to be reliable.

VT20 ~17-20
GT20 ~11

[parallax33]

Yes sorry, this is for a Samsung 50C7000 Plasma

If I am totally honest, if I describe the numbers that are clearly visible with this test then its probably more like 1,15,15,1 with these settings. i am just being picky in my original results.

I'm very pleased to see that this is almost as good as the Panny, so looks like we are reaching the limit of the technology...

[The_Wierd]

Just downgraded from 3005 to FW 1016.0 because of crosstalk. (if I remember my set came with something like 1003 on it originally).

On 3005 the numbers were about 3 for the 'wrong eye' (where you should see nothing).

Definitely better results, using default Standard mode the .mpo test gives me:

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 10
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 10
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

I would say the overall brightness is a tad lower (which may be why they altered the later firmware - to give a brighter image), but way better crosstalk.

It was a bit of hassle to downgrade, and not for the faint hearted, but worth it, I feel.

[simongwynne]

Originally Posted by The_Wierd

Just downgraded from 3005 to FW 1016.0 because of crosstalk. (if I remember my set came with something like 1003 on it originally).

On 3005 the numbers were about 3 for the 'wrong eye' (where you should see nothing).

Definitely better results, using default Standard mode the .mpo test gives me:

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 10
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 10
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

I would say the overall brightness is a tad lower (which may be why they altered the later firmware - to give a brighter image), but way better crosstalk.

It was a bit of hassle to downgrade, and not for the faint hearted, but worth it, I feel.

This is interesting, thanks. My suspicions were that the newer firmware had increased the brightness, and therefore the crosstalk, but i can't say i actually noticed anything.

[Jason Shouler]

3D TV model: LG 47LD950 47" LCD
3D glasses model: Original Circular Polarized

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 5
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> NOTHING
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> NOTHING
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 5

[The_Wierd]

Excellent result. Shame more companies aren't pusuing the passive display route, including LG it seems. Only the price put me off that one, was well over £2000 when i got my Samsung, but admittedly it's fallen to a similar price now.

[nutta]

Just done this test on my Panny GT20 with BDT100 Player and latest rechargable glasses, using this file http://3dfrank.com/testpattern.jpg. Not sure what i was looking for but i could see all number when shutting one eye then the other is that right?
Thanks

[Nanite]

The testpattern used in this thread is on the first post with instructions.

[nutta]

Originally Posted by Nanite

The testpattern used in this thread is on the first post with instructions.

Yes that is what i used?