[gperkins1973]

Hi there,

What is the point of BBC HD when it hardly plays the problems that are on normal BBC1.

Cheers

Graham

[Broadz]

What problems? What are you talking about?

[cockney]

Originally Posted by gperkins1973

Hi there,

What is the point of BBC HD when it hardly plays the problems that are on normal BBC1.

Cheers

Graham

I know what you mean, there are lots of problems on BBC1 but i'm not sure how the BBC HD channel could solve these, maybe Dear Deirdre may be better suited to help

[Gliese 581c]

Originally Posted by gperkins1973

Hi there,

What is the point of BBC HD when it hardly plays the problems that are on normal BBC1.

Cheers

Graham

I wonder that too, all these HD channels need to give themselves a good bloody shake and either be HD or not. When I turn on an HD channel thats what I expect to see, not some SD crap that I can watch elsewhere, and yes there's all these low bitrate Nat Geo HD channels that are constant HD, but as I said, low bitrate, poor quailty and probably cost 2p a meg to stream.

Not just BBC HD, but all the channels need a good shake up. I'm quite fed up with sky saying they have lots of HD channels when hardly any of them play Hd content. Sky 1 gave us a taste of the Simpsons in HD a few weeks back and its not been HD since, so they can show it but for the only reason has to be down to £.

Anyway, thats my rant over.

[newboy2008]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

Sky 1 gave us a taste of the Simpsons in HD a few weeks back and its not been HD since, .

Simpsons was in HD last night

[Gliese 581c]

Originally Posted by newboy2008

Simpsons was in HD last night

missed it then

Well thats my point, either HD or not.

[prettyvacant]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

missed it then

Well thats my point, either HD or not.

And the week before that. And the St Patricks Day Special.

The new season being shown right now is the first to be rendered & broadcast in HD.

Plenty of other HD content at the moment to keep you going

[jezzer256]

Surely Sky's worst crime in recent times is the Sky Arts HD channels. There used to be a single channel that ran throughout the day - they have since split this into a daytime channel (Sky Arts 2) and an evening/night channel (Sky Arts 2) - AND THEY CALL IT TWO CHANNELS!

Total scam.

Jez

[mjn]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

I wonder that too, all these HD channels need to give themselves a good bloody shake and either be HD or not. When I turn on an HD channel thats what I expect to see, not some SD crap that I can watch elsewhere, and yes there's all these low bitrate Nat Geo HD channels that are constant HD, but as I said, low bitrate, poor quailty and probably cost 2p a meg to stream.

Not just BBC HD, but all the channels need a good shake up. I'm quite fed up with sky saying they have lots of HD channels when hardly any of them play Hd content. Sky 1 gave us a taste of the Simpsons in HD a few weeks back and its not been HD since, so they can show it but for the only reason has to be down to £.

Anyway, thats my rant over.

In that case, DON'T watch Sci-Fi HD.....utter rubbish. Upscaled picture in 4:3 complete with stereo sound.....not worth the bandwidth.

[gperkins1973]

Hi guys,

As you've probably guessed I'm meant programs. It's Monday!.

Cheers

Graham

[gperkins1973]

HI there,

Also I have noticed that there is quite a bit of judder on various HD and non HD programs. Watching formula one on sunday the cars kept juddering.

Really annoying.

cheers

Graham

[Broadz]

Originally Posted by gperkins1973

As you've probably guessed I'm meant programs. It's Monday!.

So, the original question should have been:-

What is the point of BBC HD when it hardly plays the programmes that are on normal BBC1.

First, BBC HD is not supposed to mirror BBC1. It is supposed to show high definition versions of programmes from all four BBC TV channels, and does.
Second, the BBC have openly stated that they refuse to show upscaled SD transmissions of their programmes the way Sky One and Channel 4 do. So, if a programme/movie is available in high definition, they will show it. If not, they can't. That is why they have a preview loop running when not transmitting real high definition broadcasts. This is what other channels would also have to do if they didn't show upscaled SD broadcasts, that or do it the History channel way, which is repeat the same programme two or three times a day.

That's the point of BBC HD.

[Gliese 581c]

Originally Posted by prettyvacant

And the week before that. And the St Patricks Day Special.

The new season being shown right now is the first to be rendered & broadcast in HD.

Plenty of other HD content at the moment to keep you going

I take it these are just one off weekly sunday 30 min episodes on Sky 1 HD channel ? Thats my point.

[Jonstone]

Originally Posted by Broadz

Second, the BBC have openly stated that they refuse to show upscaled SD transmissions of their programmes the way Sky One and Channel 4 do.

I have never understood this attitude. One of the main reasons we all want hd is because sd broadcasts are awful, a fact more and more people are noticing as large screen tv's become more commonplace.

Sd broadcasts on bbchd and especially itvhd transmitted at a good bitrate whether they had been upscaled first or not would be hugely better than their normal bitrate starved counterparts.

They are using the bandwidth anyway so it wouldn't cost them anymore to transmit decent sd than to transmit a preview loop or a title screen.

Part of me wonders whether they worry that too many people would not be able to see the difference between very good sd and average hd which would further highlight just how poor normal sd transmissions are

[Broadz]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

I take it these are just one off weekly sunday 30 min episodes on Sky 1 HD channel ? Thats my point.

Your point is that you don't want any episodes of The Simpsons to be transmitted on Sky 1 HD unless it is a true high definition episode? When only the latest series, starting with the St Patricks Day episode, is in high definition?

What are Sky supposed to do about all the older episodes which they keep showing over and over and over again? Wave a magic wand and create high def versions of them? Not show the upscaled episodes on Sky 1 HD, even though Sky 1 is showing the SD version? Instead show a loop or a sign saying "Sorry, the current Sky1 transmission is not available in true high definition, so we're not going to let you see it" ? Not really fair on people who have the HD Pack but don't have the Variety Pack is it?

[GasDad]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

I take it these are just one off weekly sunday 30 min episodes on Sky 1 HD channel ? Thats my point.

So basically, bearing in mind Sky One HD is a simulcast of the Sky One channel, you want Sky to stop broadcasting re-runs of old simpsons programs because they weren't made in HD

[Gliese 581c]

Originally Posted by GasDad

So basically, bearing in mind Sky One HD is a simulcast of the Sky One channel, you want Sky to stop broadcasting re-runs of old simpsons programs because they weren't made in HD

Yeah thats what I said.

What I want, is for an HD channel to show HD, nothing more, nothing less. If it means stripping off old content then so be it.

Simultaneous broadcasts is a pathetic reason, do you happen to work for Sky by any chance ? Split the channels, job done.

[Broadz]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

Yeah thats what I said.

What I want, is for an HD channel to show HD, nothing more, nothing less.

Where's this HD content supposed to come from?

[GasDad]

Originally Posted by Gliese 581c

Yeah thats what I said.

What I want, is for an HD channel to show HD, nothing more, nothing less. If it means stripping off old content then so be it.

Simultaneous broadcasts is a pathetic reason, do you happen to work for Sky by any chance ? Split the channels, job done.

Hang on your complaining because Sky One is simulcast, the OP is complaining because BBC HD is not.

Me I can see arguments for both - though on the whole I prefer the Simulcast option.

And no, I don't work for sky.

[Gliese 581c]

Originally Posted by GasDad

Hang on your complaining because Sky One is simulcast, the OP is complaining because BBC HD is not.

Me I can see arguments for both - though on the whole I prefer the Simulcast option.

And no, I don't work for sky.

I'm just complaining full stop.

[AJ68]

Hi

First time poster here although been browsing for some time, so please be gentle.

I had sky hd installed last week after a 6 week wait and was so looking forward to seeing it.

Well now i have i must say i'm not overly impressed at all, perhaps i was expecting to much from it after reading various threads on here and from friends about how great it is. mine tends to look grainy on most programs, although some programs are worse than others, or could it be that there is something wrong with my setup

I think i need to take a look at someone elses and see what there's is like, as i'm sure we all have different views about the quality of what we see.

Can somebody tell me when it says hd in the banner, does that mean it is true hd or not as that's what i go by when watching hd content then thinking the picture is rubbish


Thanks
AJ

[Broadz]

Have you tried comparing a HD programme/movie which is showing with its SD equivalent - and seeing whether the HD version definitely looks sharper? If they don't, then something in your connection is wrong. You are connected to your TV via HDMI, not scart, aren't you?

The bigger your TV screen is, the more noticeable the picture quality should be. Certainly SD transmissions on a smaller HD Ready TV (i.e. a 32" LCD) can still look very good - but this isn't your problem. You're not saying that SD can look as good as HD (our friend Faust's problem), you're saying HD doesn't look good in the first place. You have 28 days from installation to cancel, if you think that Sky HD isn't for you. I would suggest you either see whether you can borrow another TV set from somebody to try your Sky box on - it's always possible that your TV isn't all that good - or go visit one of your friends or relatives who has been telling you how good Sky HD is, and see whether their picture looks better than yours. If it doesn't, then maybe you just can't see the difference, in which case cancel your Sky HD box and subscription, as it would be silly to pay an extra tenner a month for something that you aren't benefitting from.

[choddo2006]

Originally Posted by AJ68

Hi

First time poster here although been browsing for some time, so please be gentle.

I had sky hd installed last week after a 6 week wait and was so looking forward to seeing it.

Well now i have i must say i'm not overly impressed at all, perhaps i was expecting to much from it after reading various threads on here and from friends about how great it is. mine tends to look grainy on most programs, although some programs are worse than others, or could it be that there is something wrong with my setup

I think i need to take a look at someone elses and see what there's is like, as i'm sure we all have different views about the quality of what we see.

Can somebody tell me when it says hd in the banner, does that mean it is true hd or not as that's what i go by when watching hd content then thinking the picture is rubbish


Thanks
AJ

Yes, "HD" in the banner means it's a proper HD broadcast. As long as the box is set to 1080i or Auto, and the TV is on the HDMI input, frankly I can't believe anyone wouldn't be impressed. What do you mean by grainy?

Some things are grainy on purpose and some things have mosquito noise around the edges of things because they're SD, but I've not seen that on an HD broadcast very often.

What specific programmes are you thinking of?

[AJ68]

Thanks for your replie broadz.
I'll look out for hd/sd showing at the same time if i can find one as i havn't got the sport/movies channels. and yes hdmi is connected i made sure the scart was taken out or the installer did.

No i'm not saying sd is better than hd, i'ts just that hd doesn't look as good as i thought it would, but now you mention it my tv is a 32in so maybe that is the reason.

As you say will have to try and see someone elses setup and compare and taking note of the size of tv.

The hd in the banner i mentioned am i thinking then it doesn't always mean it's true hd, meaning it could be upscaled, if so then does that have an effect on the quality also.

Thanks
AJ

[Broadz]

Originally Posted by AJ68

The hd in the banner i mentioned am i thinking then it doesn't always mean it's true hd, meaning it could be upscaled, if so then does that have an effect on the quality also.

An upscaled SD transmission will not say HD in the info banner.

[loz]

Originally Posted by gperkins1973

Hi there,

What is the point of BBC HD when it hardly plays the problems that are on normal BBC1.

Cheers

Graham

BBC HD isn't meant to be a simulcast of BBC 1. Remember it also shows programmes from BBC 2 as well. Hence the difficulty sometimes when there are programmes on BBC 1 and 2 at the same time that are both available in HD. One of them can't be simulcast.

I don't mind if the HD version is just a few days behind, but do object when it is shown weeks later as they have done a couple of times.

[Legendary]

I would like BBC to use Daytime to repeat great shows in HD ie Wildlife documentary. I love this channel as it got subtitles and fanstatic pictures and program.

[AJ68]

Originally Posted by choddo2006

Yes, "HD" in the banner means it's a proper HD broadcast. As long as the box is set to 1080i or Auto, and the TV is on the HDMI input, frankly I can't believe anyone wouldn't be impressed. What do you mean by grainy?

Some things are grainy on purpose and some things have mosquito noise around the edges of things because they're SD, but I've not seen that on an HD broadcast very often.

What specific programmes are you thinking of?

Thanks for that choddo

Maybe grainy isn't the correct term to use, it's more noticeable on darker scenes and looks to me much like a grain effect and it sort of shimmers also gets worse as you get closer to the tv

Will have to check all my connection tonight, although don't see how i could get it wrong as there is only on lead going from the tv to the box, that being the hdmi.

Also my tv defaults to the hdmi since being connected with it.

I was watching lost last night and for me that could of been an sd program, but as i said in my previous post maybe it's down to my 32in hdtv afterall.

Please don't get me wrong i'm not knocking sky just yet, just need to find out if somethings wrong with my setup first.

Thanks
AJ

PS Sorry to the op for highjacking your thread, i thought my problem had some relevance to yours.

[daveh48]

Originally Posted by AJ68

Also my tv defaults to the hdmi since being connected with it.

I saw this statement in your post and was surprised as only a few TV's will auto-switch to HDMI, as far as I know Panasonic is one of the few brands that does but not necessarily all models.

My Sony will only auto-switch to "Scart" and I have to manually change to the "HDMI" input.

[square_eyes]

There are only a couple of major sporting events which the BBC has exclusive rights to and if one of them (Wimbledon) justifies HD why doesn't the other? Saturday's Grand National, on a beautiful day full of colour and drama, would have been magnificent in HD. But the BBC obviously don't agree.

Instead, they give us a truly awful, under-rehearsed, dreadfully acted version of Robin Hood in HD...

To be fair, Wimbledon, The Olympics, Planet Earth and Nature's Great Events are almost worth the price of HD admission on their own --- but that leaves 99% of the schedule blank. When are they going to take the next big step?